The Wrestling Thread: Hall Of Pain Edition - - Part 32

[Twitch]

Gone are the days!

I argued there in the past, brick wall headbutting is more fun, I can't stand roughly 98% of the posters. t:

ouch

 

[Hunter Rider]

TNA is doing a really good job of building up both Bobby Roode and James Storm. They are making both guys look like legitimate stars and guys who can main event. I do however feel a heel turn coming from Roode or Storm.

I gotta say, James Storm outshined Bobby Roode once again tonight. There is just so much more upside to Storm than Roode.

Storm, Roode, Angle segment

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This was one of the best segments I've seen in ages from TNA, all three and the importance of the title come off well. I think Storm is mixing a bit of HBK and Austin with his own spin and it works. Roode seems pretty over but is more in the mould of Triple H in the way he cuts his promo.

Is that a new belt? the blue splattered all over looks ugly

Anyone got a link to the Storm vs Roode match?

The biggest disappointment I can ever recall, and not because it wasn't a good technical match, but because of the booking. You knew you weren't going to get a great match from them from a pure wrestling standpoint, but the spectacle of that match was bad on so many levels.

First off, DC was just the wrong place and crowd for Starrcade. That match should have been in front of a crowd like Chicago. DC was so quiet throughout that PPV. That really hurt the match. The atmosphere of the crowd makes a huge difference in how things come across on tv. But then you consider Hogan played his usual BS and basically squashed Sting the whole match and gave him the weakest win you can imagine, it just killed the great buildup that came before it and did not give the fans the payoff the were expecting.

I agree with you on all these points, and they showed at Superbrawl VIII they could have a much better and longer match. The biggest problem of course was Hogan, say what you will about other political types in wrestling but no other guy I can think of would demand a screwy finish for a face after an 18 month angle.

Another slight problem I think was Sting hadn't wrestled in 18 months, and the only guy I have seen come back after a year plus absence and look like he hadn't missed a beat is HBK. Sting also had new music that the crowd didn't know how to react to as they had never heard it before, and it lacked the all important opening punch as it was a slow build theme, so his entrance lacked the kind of showmanship a WWE produced main event of that magnitude would have had.

Hot damn after seeing this I've forgotten who I am.

I wish Taz wouldn't talk over this moment every time.

I guess there's always this risk when two ladies eat out together.

What happened to Mickie?

 

[Twitch]

Well, I'm not a Henry fan, but you got to look at it this way:

1.) People in general love monsters

2.) Henry's been on a roll this year and to have Orton killed that momentum right off the bat would've been a big mistake.

3.) Henry defeated Orton clean. Coincidentally, the last time I saw Orton lose clean was to Mark Henry when he made his face turn in 2009 .

4.) Its somebody not named John Cena, Triple H, or Randy Orton holding the title.

5.) Its always nice to see a veteran get rewarded even if you don't like them.

6.) The World Heavyweight Title match was hard to call considering Orton's overprotection and that his DVD just came out not too long ago.

7.) Some people were cheering for Henry to beat Orton in retaliation for WWE fu**ing over Christian.

Oh I wasn't doubting Henry, I really like that he has the belt and the general direction in which he is being taken. The guys I were refering to were calling him the next Vader in terms of workrate, which I thought was a bit much. Henry deserved the belt and I just hope Orton can play Sting to Henry's Vader if that makes any sense. It should be awesome.

 

[Hunter Rider]

When did Cena have time to make this?

Randy Orton Responds To Steve Austin's Critical Comments

Posted by PWPIX on 09/22/2011
Steve Austin offered a critical assessment of Randy Orton's character performance during an interview for the latest issue of Power Slam, which was published this afternoon on pwpix.netpwpix.net.

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Orton responded to Austin's remarks this evening on Twitter with a vow.

He wrote, "Austin is right, there is still room for me to move up the ladder. And I will. Watch me."




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I hope Orton isn't just being political. Interesting response.

If Orton has matured as much as he has sup;posed to then he probably is taking Austin's words as advice and motivation.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh I wasn't doubting Henry, I really like that he has the belt and the general direction in which he is being taken. The guys I were refering to were calling him the next Vader in terms of workrate, which I thought was a bit much. Henry deserved the belt and I just hope Orton can play Sting to Henry's Vader if that makes any sense. It should be awesome.

In a sentence you capture why I left that place. Henry is good at what he does but has nowhere close to the range of Vader in his ring work. He is closer to Yokozuna but without the quick flashes of athleticism.

 

[Twitch]

In a sentence you capture why I left that place. Henry is good at what he does but has nowhere close to the range of Vader in his ring work. He is closer to Yokozuna but without the quick flashes of athleticism.

Henry should bring back the Earthquake Drop!!!! That would be devastating.

and where are your balls of steel man

 

[Wheels]

Beer Money are the guys TNA needs to build the company around. This stuff they've been doing the past couple of weeks is the best TNA has been in long time. I'm actually enjoying the show instead of it feeling like a chore. I'm ignoring the Hogan and Sting angle, I just do something else during those segments.

 

[DX]

So, I watched Impact today and the only time I wanted to put my foot through the screen was when Anarquia was on it....apart from that, not a bad show.

And, I'm not sure I can believe that I'm saying this...but I might be able to get behind Mark Henry as champ too.

 

[Superark]

This was one of the best segments I've seen in ages from TNA, all three and the importance of the title come off well. I think Storm is mixing a bit of HBK and Austin with his own spin and it works. Roode seems pretty over but is more in the mould of Triple H in the way he cuts his promo.

Is that a new belt? the blue splattered all over looks ugly

Anyone got a link to the Storm vs Roode match?

That's a perfect way to describe Storm I never thought of it before but you're right, he does have a little bit of that HBK thing as well. If Storm was given a chance and booked properly, I can see him getting over huge in WWE. A fued between him and Punk would have money written all over it. I can also see the HHH comparison with Roode, though he very much reminds me of an early late 89's early 90's babyface, similar to Magnum TA.

The belt has been around since March/April. It's actually Gold and Silver, not blue. I do not like the new belt, and prefer the old one.

Unfortunately there's only a Youtube video of the screwy finish of the Angle/Storm match.

The Storm/Roode match was taped and I believe is set to air in either next week or on the Go-Home edition of Impact before BFG. I read that it was suppose to be a fantastic match.

I agree with you on all these points, and they showed at Superbrawl VIII they could have a much better and longer match. The biggest problem of course was Hogan, say what you will about other political types in wrestling but no other guy I can think of would demand a screwy finish for a face after an 18 month angle.

Another slight problem I think was Sting hadn't wrestled in 18 months, and the only guy I have seen come back after a year plus absence and look like he hadn't missed a beat is HBK. Sting also had new music that the crowd didn't know how to react to as they had never heard it before, and it lacked the all important opening punch as it was a slow build theme, so his entrance lacked the kind of showmanship a WWE produced main event of that magnitude would have had.

Yeah the Superbrawl match was better, but Hogan still did not do the clean job and there was another screwy finish with Macho Man hitting Hogan with the spray can. Once again Hogan made Sting look weak and it killed all the momentum WCW built up for Sting. The only other guy besides Hulk I can see doing that is HHH, and even then I'm not sure if he'd be dumb/egotistical enough to ruin such a blowoff.

Sting certainly had ring rust and only wrestled a few house show circuits in that 18 month layoff. Sting also mentioned in some interviews his health and personal life was a mess at that point and Hulk's knee was in horrible shape, so both men were fighting an uphill battle. But a better layed out match and a great crowd could have made up for it.

I don't think Sting's entrance was much of an issue, as I have read reports that live the crowd went nuts for his entrance. I actually thought it was still prett cool, though I would have had Sting drop down from the rafters or had him come to the ring with a really foggy entrance with the lights dimmed. But it certainly didn't have the huge spectacle to it, as WCW was never good with that in the first place. The Starrcade 97 entrance set-up was pretty poor and cheap. I never understood with all that money why WCW did not spend more on sets. But Sting's music was perfect for his character at the time.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I dare you to get into a real fight with someone and try to Stone Cold Stun them. Then come back and tell us the results...

you do realise the basis of the stunner is to jam the victims throat into your shoulder bone, causing them to choke.

so yes it would be effective if done right, it may not end the fight or be something you can just pull off

same with other stupid ones like the Samoan spike, sticking your thumb or two fingers into someone windpipe( try it just put slight pressure on your own using only your thumb) is and often taught move in the styles of karate

with the exception of things like the peoples elbow or the worm nearly all of the finishers used by wrestler have a basis in actual fighting styles changed for safety and theatrics

and the most realistic finisher is the crossface agin place 2 fingers under your nose and push up, hurts like hell, now imagine a line set of hands pull back

 

[Metallo]

I think the only thing Roode has Storm beat in is his physical appearance. I believe Storm is better in every other category. Roode, who make no mistake I am glad is being given a shot and push, is very solid but nothing great yet. He's good in the ring, good on the mic, and has a good look.

Storm on the other hand is great on the mic, very good in the ring, and has a great gimmick that connects with the crowd. Like you said, he has a swag to him and that "it" factor.

In a lot of ways Storm is the kind of face that Austin sort of was. He's got the whole country/redneck thing going on but he does it in a sort badass way. Storm is full of attitude and in your face that puts him on the cool side and doesn't make him a silly Cowboy gimmick that it could easily come across. He has a great catchphrase and marketability to him that Roode just doesn't have.

Roode on the other hand is more of your typical white meat babyface, which is good, but just doesn't work as well today as it once did. The only wrestler today that truly has had any success as a white meat babyface is Cena, but that's because his look and "hip hop" gimmick works well for him and allows him to sell a little more.

Roode...Storm...its a win/win either way. I think Storm has more sizzle but Roode has a great look and aura about him. he's probably the better in ring mechanic. I love Storms Last Call Superkick. But they're both great. I DO think Roode works better as a heel though and thats when he really shines. Thats when he had the most personality coming through.

Storms always been underrated though. Every time he was in a tag team it seemed like the other guy was the star in the making (Harris, Roode, etc) but Storm has come a long way.

I agree with Hunter than Roode reminds me of a combo HHH mostly and a little bit of Rick Rude only without the pizazz of The Ravishing One.

Storm is more the Austin type. He comes from a long line of beer drinking wiseass good ol' boys like The Blackjacks, Stan Hansen, Austin, etc. Maybe even a little Arn Anderson.

What happened to Mickie?

I think Winter spit this red blood like mist in her face.

Oh I wasn't doubting Henry, I really like that he has the belt and the general direction in which he is being taken. The guys I were refering to were calling him the next Vader in terms of workrate, which I thought was a bit much. Henry deserved the belt and I just hope Orton can play Sting to Henry's Vader if that makes any sense. It should be awesome.

Henry is awesome lately but Vader was one of a kind. His agility is something you don't see much of from most big guys. And those punches looked like legit shoot punches. He was one of the first monsters to bring that kind of shoot fight feel to his matches. He's probably one of those guys who I consider to be the ideal monster heel.

If anyone reminds me of Vader and how he worked it was Awesome Kong at her peak.

...Vader in his prime vs Goldberg in his prime. That would have been a war.

 

[Metallo]

Survivor Series '11 teaser
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WWE TOYING WITH MAJOR CHANGE TO THEIR LANDSCAPE BY MOVING TOP PPVS, INCLUDING WRESTLEMANIA, TO PLANNED NETWORK

By Mike Johnson on 2011-09-23 14:21:48

WWE issued a survey about their planned WWE Network launch in 2012 to select fans on their mailing list yesterday. Based on the following verbiage from the survey, one of the plans on board for the network (and this can ALWAYS change) is to move major WWE PPV events to the Network, where they would air, including Wrestlemania. Yes, Wrestlemania.

The verbiage from the survey, which also features a number of other potential WWE network programming choices, reads:

"Imagine a 24-hour cable network that was run by The WWE. It featured a mix of WWE-made programs, including new shows, repeats of Raw and SmackDown from USA and Syfy and "classic" or "historical" programs featuring shows from different promotions like classic WWE footage, WCW, ECW, NWA, AWA, etc. from years past.
It would have two new weekly WWE live in-ring shows (wrestling), but not SmackDown or Raw.
It would have a daily live in-studio viewer interactive show similar to SportsCenter.

Additionally, this network would include WWE's "classic big 4" pay-per-view events including WrestleMania, SummerSlam, Survivor Series and Royal Rumble to the lineup at no additional cost. Rather than having to pay for them, they would now be specials with the same match quality you're used to seeing on pay-per-view for no additional cost. These 4 events would only be available on The WWE Network.

In addition to The WWE Network, you would receive approximately 30 additional channels including NFL Network, NBA TV, Biography Channel, Fox Business Network and Fuel TV.
How interested would you be in upgrading your service for an additional $7-$12 per month to a tier which would include the WWE Network described above?"

Based on the verbiage, even if the plans don't come to fruition, it's obvious how much importance WWE is putting behind the Network launch. You don't consider taking the biggest money making event in your calendar off PPV and move it to a network (albeit a pay-per-view network) unless you want to do everything in your power to make a splash and show the power of the WWE brand. Such a move of even a few of the major PPV events, much less ALL of the major events would create a massive change in the revenue stream of the company.

Such a drastic move will change the direction of the company, forever, to one that creates, owns and distributes their own content, as opposed to one that provides that content for broadcast partners. It's a bold move.

We have a lot more exclusive details on the network, including some of the potential concepts for series on the network that have been tossed out in the last few weeks. For more, subscribe to the PWInsider Elite section, which also features hours of audio content daily and in the last several days, has featured exclusive interviews with Jim Cornette, Cliff "Domino" Compton, Pat Tanaka, ROH COO Joe Koff, Les Thatcher, UWF owner Steve Karel, Rasche Brown and more.

http://pwinsider.com/article/61921/...ding-wrestlemania-to-planned-network.html?p=1

 

[Wheels]

Funny how wiki, urban dictionary, and Austin himself describes the stunner as a jawbreaker yet people think it's a throat crushing move.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Funny how wiki, urban dictionary, and Austin himself describes the stunner as a jawbreaker yet people think it's a throat crushing move.

i said the basis of the move is in the idea of a throat crusher.

 

[Project862006]

CM Punk's review of Straw Dogs LOL
http://***********/#!/CMPunk/status/117078091532210176

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

TThis is as most I could show lol.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

you do realise the basis of the stunner is to jam the victims throat into your shoulder bone, causing them to choke.

so yes it would be effective if done right, it may not end the fight or be something you can just pull off

same with other stupid ones like the Samoan spike, sticking your thumb or two fingers into someone windpipe( try it just put slight pressure on your own using only your thumb) is and often taught move in the styles of karate

with the exception of things like the peoples elbow or the worm nearly all of the finishers used by wrestler have a basis in actual fighting styles changed for safety and theatrics

and the most realistic finisher is the crossface agin place 2 fingers under your nose and push up, hurts like hell, now imagine a line set of hands pull back

Dude, no. Just no. People aren't going to jump down to their knees for you to even slam their jaw, or throat, into your shoulder. The Stunner only "works" because the person getting stunned works with Austin to take the Stunner. You would not be able to Stun someone in a real fight. While you're jumping around all goofy in the air, they are just gonna stand there, while you look like an idiot, and then bust a bottle over the back of your skull.

Probably the most "realistic" finisher I've seen is the Sweet Chin Music, because a kick to your grill is gonna ****in' hurt.

Rock Bottom? Tombstone Piledriver? Stone Cold Stunner? Pedigree? Chokeslam? Go To Sleep? Attitude Adjustment? RKO? Killswitch? Skull Crushing Finale? Codebreaker? All of these moves are absolutely idiotic when thinking about -real- fighting, and only look anything close to effective because of the scripted, acted nature of professional wrestling. The moves all require the active participation of the victim in order to work - something you're not going to get in a real fight, whether it's competitive, or a good old fashioned brawl.

 

[The Sage]

Big Show's knockout punch is also a realistic finisher.

 

[Project862006]

if you are strong enough you can do all those moves

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

if you are strong enough you can do all those moves

No.

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That is not happening in real life. It works in wrestling because Triple H jumped and fell to his knees, creating the illusion that the Stone Cold Stunner works. In a real fight, competitive or otherwise, your opponent will not do you the courtesy of jumping with you and landing on his knees.

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This is not happening in real life. A guy is not going to stand there, helpless, with his arm draped over your shoulder waiting for you to slam him. A slam that, again, requires the jumping of the victim in order to create the illusion of effectiveness.

This video also brings me to another point about the fakeness of wrestling - the pin. Watch that pin. There is absolutely no reason what so ever why the guy couldn't have gotten his shoulder up before the 3 count. In contrast, let's look at a real wrestling pin:

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Notice how the pin requires something called "body weight" to be forced down on the victim, and that's what keeps the shoulders pinned to the mat? Hardly what happens in professional wrestling.

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I shouldn't even have to explain how this could never work in real life.

And also in relation to this last video, don't even get me started on the Irish whip...

 

[Mr.Webs]

Guys, I think Nell is onto something...

Wrestling is fake.

 

[Metallo]

No.

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That is not happening in real life. It works in wrestling because Triple H jumped and fell to his knees, creating the illusion that the Stone Cold Stunner works. In a real fight, competitive or otherwise, your opponent will not do you the courtesy of jumping with you and landing on his knees.

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This is not happening in real life. A guy is not going to stand there, helpless, with his arm draped over your shoulder waiting for you to slam him. A slam that, again, requires the jumping of the victim in order to create the illusion of effectiveness.

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I shouldn't even have to explain how this could never work in real life.

Not that i disagree about the realism of the Stunner but why the hell are you ignoring the variation of the move? You talk like thats the only way people have taken it.

The Rock and Scott Hall did not always fall on their knees. They stayed on their feet and fell back. Granted they JUMPED back to oversell it but what you're talking about is not the only variation of that move and that version isn't as unrealistic.

The move its based on (The cutter/ace crusher) isn't as as unrealistic depending on how its hit.

The most realistic finisher is Big Shows knock out punch or Pipers Sleeper

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The Stunners where the guys stayed on their feet, the guys getting Stunned bent down to go with Austin's move.

And that's where the problem lies. In a competitive fight, you try to do the Stunner on someone, when they don't bend down with you, or don't jump down to their knees, then you're left jumping around like an idiot, and they're left beating the ever living crap out of you.

 

[TX85]

"- Sin Cara vs. Sin Cara is reportedly on the books for WWE’s Hell in a Cell pay-per-view. As noted before, the match is also being advertised for the upcoming SmackDown tapings in Mexico City."

PWInsider
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I don't think it's too soon for a match But IF it's in a HIAC then yeah a gimmick match is way too early and especially IF their continuing this feud!

Hunico should be revealed as Hunico on the go-home Smackdown episode before HIAC,Use his Hunico mask&tights at the ppv and then turn the feud into SC vs Hunico while bringing up their history together!!(I know they can't mention CMLL&Mistico But Hunico could talk about how he got replaced in Mexico by a younger&newer guy and he got all the glory while wearing his mask while Hunico was left with nothing)