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Thats the personal style that matches his character. Again you don't seem to be willing understand its about diversity with his look. Why shouldn't he be allowed to do something unique to him? You just seem not to care for the guys personal style. That doesn't make it "wrong."

If you actually bothered to LOOK at the paint there are actual designs in there. Its not just paint splashed on.

Personal style in wrestling is relative. He is the emo equivalent of the Godwinns. Guys like Austin, the Rock, Triple H, Amdrag, Benoit, Angle, Punk, Randy Savage, Eddie, Mysterio, Edge, and so many others were and able to have a personal style while still looking like a pro wrestler, not as if they are going to some **** ass rave. Hardy's thing was a gimmick to go along with his youth. Now he is in his mid 30s, and still looks ridiculous.

Most people would disagree with you. The matches you are complaining about were fine. Seems you're problem is the storytelling. What you are complaing about is the way they used psychology to bring emotional reponses up and down with pacing and flare. Wrestlings been like that for years. Plenty of the greats have done that.

Plenty of great matches have done this, and what sets them apart is that the stretch runs are culminations, not completely separate from the first two thirds of the match. Kurt basically does the needless and mandatory early brawling of all Rock main even matches during the Attitude Era, just on the mat.

If it is all about the crowd being into, I guess Goldberg had a great match every single week during the streak. :woot:

What you are saying here describes what you consider to be Kurt Angles best matches later on.

What?

Angle always had trouble with late kick outs, but he wasn't having inherently "stupid" or "convoluted" matches before the period I stated. They also weren't formulaic.

Here's your problem. If you prefer that its fine but you seem to want Angle stuck in one gear when the kind of matches you want were nothing but nonstop physical and no emotion. He expanded his style and diversified whast he did in the ring to not only add more layers but extend his career. waht you seem to prefer is nothing but the ground and point action. If anything Kurt got BETTER because wrestling is about MORE than just the action but the emotion and the psychology.

No, you are completely misrepresenting my point. Angle at his best was doing what he does best. Angle has never and will never be Bret Hart. He has never been able to work a match around an arm, leg, a back or other such injuries. He has never been able to systematically break down his opponent without it looking formulaic or without losing his way. But what he could do was a work a match around wearing down his opponents through his sheer physical aggression leading to them being vulnerable to his high impact moves and ankle lock. He was good enough to fill the down time pretty well with holds. Basically he was Eddie lite from that Halloween Havoc with Rey, just not quite as nasty. Angle's "psychology" before was just fine for what he did. He needed reigning in at times and was never the best, but he was great at what he did.

But Angle after? It was like watching Triple H try and be a high flying Luchador, or Big Show doing the HBK "get my ass kicked for 25 min" shtick. It is just all wrong.

Some of the mathes you list here are guilty of the same spotfests and pandering that you just complained about with Angles later more recent matches.

None of those are spotfest and none crap on the first 2/3 of the match to play up the obvious melodrama. All of them followed their story from beginning to end, played up aspect of each wrestler's character and history, and all were quite different and brilliant. His anger and need to simply brutalize Shane, his fear that he wasn't in Rock's League, the familiarity, between him and Benoit, the elusive of Rey(something he really hadn't run into up to that point), etc.

But I am more then willing to listen to your reasoning.
 
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Personal style in wrestling is relative. He is the emo equivalent of the Godwinns. Guys like Austin, the Rock, Triple H, Amdrag, Benoit, Angle, Punk, Randy Savage, Eddie, Mysterio, Edge, and so many others were and able to have a personal style while still looking like a pro wrestler, not as if they are going to some **** ass rave. Hardy's thing was a gimmick to go along with his youth. Now he is in his mid 30s, and still looks ridiculous.

If thats the case what does that make someone like Savage or Cena or Lesnar? Their gear wasn't/isn't exactly "traditional." Same thing with Rey dressing as Captain America or the Joker. doesn't look like a "pro wrestler" does it? Your idea that a wrestler is "supposed" to look a certain way is silly when so many of them don't fit into some strict guidline.

You're b*tching about Hardy not looking like what you think he should when that has no bearing on wether the look is credible to what he does or not. Pretty narrow minded. You've already made up your mind to be the authority on what works for him and not just on if it works for you.


Plenty of great matches have done this, and what sets them apart is that the stretch runs are culminations, not completely separate from the first two thirds of the match. Kurt basically does the needless and mandatory early brawling of all Rock main even matches during the Attitude Era, just on the mat.

If it is all about the crowd being into, I guess Goldberg had a great match every single week during the streak. :woot:

Except the problem with what you are saying isn't true. Angles a lesser wrestler because of the pacing of his matches now and working with more story in his matches? BS.


What?

Angle always had trouble with late kick outs, but he wasn't having inherently "stupid" or "convoluted" matches before the period I stated. They also weren't formulaic.

Except his matches now aren't all stupid or convoluted. But how much TNA do you really even watch to be enough of a judge of what he does on a regular basis?


No, you are completely misrepresenting my point. Angle at his best was doing what he does best. Angle has never and will never be Bret Hart. He has never been able to work a match around an arm, leg, a back or other such injuries. He has never been able to systematically break down his opponent without it looking formulaic or without losing his way. But what he could do was a work a match around wearing down his opponents through his sheer physical aggression leading to them being vulnerable to his high impact moves and ankle lock. He was good enough to fill the down time pretty well with holds. Basically he was Eddie lite from that Halloween Havoc with Rey, just not quite as nasty. Angle's "psychology" before was just fine for what he did. He needed reigning in at times and was never the best, but he was great at what he did.

No I'm not. You are trying to pigeonhole Kurt Angle when MANY wrestlers evolve. he still brings the same intensity to his matches except now he seems to be much more able to try to tell a story instead of being a JUST machine and only sticking to that. What you are talking about from the past was a machine like lack of psychology and storytelling. That didn't make him a better wrestler that made him a guy who could just go and do at the same pace with no real diversity in his storytelling.


But Angle after? It was like watching Triple H try and be a high flying Luchador, or Big Show doing the HBK "get my ass kicked for 25 min" shtick. It is just all wrong.

No its called Angle trying to grow as a perfmer. He didn't CHANGE what he did so much as he added to it and learned to work smarter. You want the Angle of ten years ago when thats really unfair and limiting to him for so many reasons. I can understand if you don't prefer it but to act like you are the authority and say its flat out worse is wrong.


None of those are spotfest and none crap on the first 2/3 of the match to play up the obvious melodrama. All of them followed their story from beginning to end, played up aspect of each wrestler's character and history, and all were quite different and brilliant. His anger and need to simply brutalize Shane, his fear that he wasn't in Rock's League, the familiarity, between him and Benoit, the elusive of Rey(something he really hadn't run into up to that point), etc.

But I am more then willing to listen to your reasoning.

there is more to matches than JUST nonstop brutality and high impact. Some of the matches you mentioned were full of spots that didn't always logically make sense but they added to the excitment of the story...the very thing you complain about Angle doing now as far as being nonsensicle logically speaking.

Many of Angles matches now still have the same level of emotion when its needed. His cage match with Anderson at Lockdown a few years ago told the same kind of story with the same kinds of emotion you claim his matches don't have anymore. You should also keep in mind its not always the man but its the product and what kind of material he's given. But when Angle is put in good storylines and allowed to take it to extremes he's as willing to put a lot of emotion into his matches as he ever was before.

If what you think you are saying is true why don't you run a poll to see what the consensus is. If you are right more people here should see it not just on Angle but your comparuison to certain WWE and TNA wrestlers and who is "better" right now.
 
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You are the Chael Sonnen of the Wrestling Thread

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Complete PWI 500 Rankings for 2012

1.CM Punk
2.Bobby Roode
3.John Cena
4.Daniel Bryan
5.Sheamus
6.Jun Akiyama
7.Davey Richards
8.Kurt Angle
9.Mark Henry
10.Alberto del Rio
11.Kiroyoshi Tenzan
12.James Storm
13.Austin Aries
14.Randy Orton
15.Christian
16.Dolph Ziggler
17.The Big Show
18.Eddie Edwards
19.L.A. Park
20.Kevin Steen
21.Jeff Hardy
22.Kane
23.Cody Rhodes
24.Takashi Sugiura
25.Devon
26.Dr. Wagner Jr.
27.Mr. Anderson
28.AJ Styles
29.Chris Jericho
30.Bully Ray
31.Kofi Kingston
32.Roderick Strong
33.Jack Swagger
34.El Terrible
35.Sting
36.R-Truth
37.Rob Van Dam
38.Go Shiozaki
39.Jay Lethal
40.Kazchika Okada
41.Crimson
42.Shelton Benjamin
43.Magnus
44.Colt Cabana
45.Tensai
46.Seth Rollins
47.Shinsuke Nakamura
48.Chris Daniels
49.The Miz
50.Matt Morgan
51.Samoa Joe
52.Sami Callihan
53.Charlie Haas
54.Michael Elgin
55.Gunner
56.Wade Barrett
57.Jeff Jarrett
58.Kazarian
59.Johnny Gargano
60.Santino Marella
61.Takeshi Morishima
62.Adam Pearce
63.Jay Briscoe
64.Karl Anderson
65.Mark Briscoe
66.Robbie E
67.El Mesias
68.Prince Devitt
69.Averno
70.Zack Ryder
71.Tommaso Ciampa
72.Primo
73.Satoshi Kojima
74.Brodus Clay
75.Adam Cole
76.Epico
77.Leo Kruger
78.Mike Bennett
79.Yamato
80.Negro Casas
81.La Mascara
82.El Generico
83.David Otunga
84.Kenny King
85.Eric Young
86.Hernandez
87.Zema Ion
88.Pac
89.Damien Sandow
90.Jey Uso
91.Jimmy Uso
92.Hunico
93.Harry Smith
94.Tetsuya Naito
95.Carlito
96.Evan Bourne
97.Rhett Titus
98.Richie Steamboat
99.Justin Gabriel
100.Sin Cara
101.Kyle O’Reilly
102.Great Khali
103.Blue Panther
104.The Almighty Sheik
105.Kid Kash
106.Luke Harper
107.Tyson Kidd
108.Heath Slater
109.Alex Shelley
110.Antonio Cesaro
111.Ryback
112.Suwama
113.Finlay
114.Abyss
115.Masato Yoshino
116.Jerry Lynn
117.Togi Makabe
118.Xavier Woods
119.Ultimo Dragon
120.La Sombra
121.Shingo
122.Masaaki Mochizuki
123.Akira Tozawa
124.Kassius Ohno
125.Yoshi Tatsu
126.Chuck Taylor
127.Hirooki Goto
128.Rhino
129.Low-Ki
130.D’Angelo Dinero
131.Naomichi Marufuji
132.Genki Horiguchi
133.Volador Jr.
134.Mike Dalton
135.Mason Ryan
136.Jay Spadley
137.Mahabali Veera
138.Jimmy Susumu
139.Darrick Bateman
140.TJ Perkins
141.Bo Dallas
142.Yuji Nagata
143.RJ Brewer
144.Rush
145.Douglas Williams
146.Drake Younger
147.A.R. Fox
148.BXB Hulk
149.Jushin Liger
150.Ezekiel Jackson
151.Cima
152.Ryusuke Taguchi
153.El Zorro
154.Uhaa Nation
155.Rey Escorpion
156.Darren Young
157.Blue Demon Jr.
158.Shannon Moore
159.Caprice Coleman
160.Curt Hawkins
161.Mike Mondo
162.El Hijo Del Santo
163.Cedric Alexander
164.Minoru Suzuki
165.Jinder Mahal
166.Ultimo Guerrero
167.Bray Wyatt
168.Titus O’Neil
169.Ryo Santo
170.Alex Riley
171.Mohammad Yone
172.Matt Jackson
173.Kenta
174.Joe E. Legend
175.Camacho
176.Hector Garza
177.Chavo Guerrero
178.Nick Jackson
179.Shawn Spears
180.Mark Haskins
181.Yoshinobu Kanemaru
182.Silver Kain
183.Kota Bushi
184.Kenny Omega
185.Ted DiBiase Jr.
186.El Hijo Perro Aguayo
187.Chance Prophet
188.Matt Cross
189.Joe Doering
190.Drew McIntyre
191.Jake Carter
192.Robert Anthony
193.Connor O’Brian
194.Tyson Dux
195.Jack Evans
196.Michael McGillicutty
197.Gamma
198.Rob Terry
199.Corey Graves
200.Eddie Kingston
201.Naruki Doi
202.Masato Tananka
203.Tyler Reks
204.??? (Seriously, there’s nobody here…)
205.Chris Masters
206.Briley Pierce
207.JTG
208.N8 Mattson
209.Derek Wylde
210.Johnny Curtis
211.Brian Kendrick
212.Cbernetico
213.Brad Maddox
214.Delirious
215.Shawn Daivari
216.Dragon Rojo Jr.
217.Mike Quackenbush
218.Scott Steiner
219.Apollyon
220.Trent Barreta
221.Josh Alexander
222.Darin Corbin
223.Papdon
224.Chris Angel
225.Akitoshi Saito
226.Richochet
227.Shaun Tempers
228.Psicosis II
229.El Texano Jr.
230.Dragon Kid
231.Chessman
232.Hartley Jackson
233.Jado
234.Devon Moore
235.Petey Williams
236.Rocky Romero
237.Paul London
238.Mascara Dorada
239.Hallowicked
240.Steve Corino
241.Virus
242.Sonjay Dutt
243.Bestia 666
244.Bray Wyatt
245.Extreme Tiger
246.Ricky Cruz
247.Takao Omori
248.Kaz Hayashi
249.Gedo
250.BJ Whitmer
251.Manabu Soya
252.Bryon Saxton
253.Dean Ambrose
254.Masada
255.Famous B
256.Kahagas
257.Arik Cannon
258.Ryan Eagles
259.Jake Manning
260.Alex Silva
261.Daisuke Sekimoto
262.MVP
263.Kai
264.Big E Langston
265.Joey Ryan
266.Lance Archer
267.LA Parka Jr.
268.Krimson
269.Masahiro Chono
270.Homicide
271.Akebono
272.Jimmy Rave
273.Gilbert
274.Rey Bucaniero
275.Rich Swann
276.Shane Haste
277.Jigsaw
278.Dr. Nicholas Dinsmore
279.John Silver
280.Harlem Bravado
281.Silas Young
282.Facade
283.Silver King
284.Lance Bravado
285.Matt Riviera
286.John McChesney
287.Gran Akuma
288.Gurv Sihra
289.Ruckus
290.Ray Gonzalez
291.Anthony Nese
292.Harv Sihra
293.Robby Heart
294.Kuimuna
295.Ace Hawkins
296.Rick Victor
297.Icarus
298.Tommy Dreamer
299.Pepper Parks
300.Scotty Vortekz
301.Luke Gallows
302.Ares
303.Damien Wayne
304.Sabu
305.Craig Classic
306.Jesse Neal
307.Vance Nevada
308.Kenneth Cameron
309.Tiberious King
310.Aden Chambers
311.Brandon Espinosa
312.Joh Davis
313.Marco Corleone
314.Necro Butcher
315.BLK Jeez
316.Danny Havoc
317.Kory Chavis
318.Oliver John
319.Jason Jordan
320.Caleb Konley
321.Mikael Judas
322.Roscoe Jackson
323.Alexander Rusev
324.Pinkie Sanchez
325.Ray Alexander
326.CJ Parker
327.Joey Rico Dynamite
328.Peter Avalon
329.Jake O’Reilly
330.Grizzly Redwood
331.Scott Reed
332.Willie Mack
333.Mike Posey
334.Shaun Ricker
335.Mike Sydal
336.Lince Dorado
337.Devon Storm
338.Asylum
339.Josh Daniels
340.Tim Storm
341.Stryknyn
342.Derek Sanders
343.Se7en
344.Kenso
345.Drew Gulak
346.Electroshock
347.Greg Excellent
348.Chris Wylde
349.Dru Onyx
350.Kyle Sebastian
351.Leakee
352.Luke Hawx
353.Amazing Red
354.Matt Burns
355.Craven Knyte
356.Percy Watson
357.Andrew Alexander
358.Ricky Reyes
359.Brandon Gatson
360.Andy Ridge
361.Jake Christ
362.Alex Koslov
363.Tiger Mask IV
364.Josef Von Schmidt
365.Steve Boz
366.Scotty O’Shea
367.DJ Hyde
368.RJ City
369.Bobby Fish
370.Robbie Mcallister
371.Jimmy Jacobs
372.Mustafa Aziz Daniels
373.Dave Crist
374.Notorious T.I.D.
375.Mike Hughes
376.John E. Stone
377.Chip Day
378.Chris Silvio
379.Ashley Sixx
380.Kekoa The Flyin’ Hawaiian
381.Super Dragon
382.Slyk Wagner Brown
383.Tank
384.Vaquero Fantasma
385.Dasher Hatfield
386.Dash Maverick
387.Aaron Draven
388.Micah Taylor
389.Cobian
390.Jimmy Cicero
391.Bobby Moore
392.James Bronson
393.Timothy Thatcher
394.Ahtu
395.Azrieal
396.Aiden Veil
397.Seth Delay
398.Bloody Harker Dirge
399.Oliver Cain
400.Breaker Morant
401.Garett Bischoff
402.Dandido Jr.
403.Sexxxy Eddie
404.Biggie Biggs
405.John Kermon
406.Sinn Bodhi
407.Crazzy Steve
408.Patrick Bentley
409.Matt Saigon
410.Scorpio Sky
411.Bill Collier
412.Tyler Hilton
413.Anthony Darko
414.Damian Dragon
415.Mike Rollins
416.Gregory Iron
417.Kyle Matthews
418.Bobby Shields
419.John Skyler
420.Primo Scordino
421.Gee Gee
422.Jayson Wayne
423.Napalm Bomb
424.Steven Walters
425.Hellcat
426.Stupefied
427.Ethan HD
428.Dave Osborne
429.Kevin Douglas
430.Sara Del Rey
431.Corey Hollis
432.Rob Sweet
433.Christian York
434.Greg Anthony
435.Sam Shields
436.Player Uno
437.Chris Rockwell
438.Dany Only
439.Paredyse
440.Nitro
441.Samuray Del Sol
442.Jessie Godderz
443.Gideon Malice
444.Vordell Walker
445.AJ Kirsch
446.Nick Fury
447.Black Ice
448.Joe Gacy
449.Luke Robinson
450.Brandon Thurston
451.Rudy Switchblade
452.American Kickboxer II
453.Billy Gibbs
454.Jamin Olivencia
455.Tommy Mack
456.The Bodysnatcher
457.Garrett Dylan
458.Jason Cypress
459.Ophidian
460.Steve Stasiak
461.Cueball Carmichael
462.Franky the Mobster
463.Nui Tofiga
464.Rob Fury
465.Cheech Hernandez
466.Gabe Saint
467.Johnny Spade
468.Larry Dallas
469.Danny Daniels
470.Marc Mandrake
471.Mohamad Ali Vaez
472.Dave Dutra
473.Chris Cooper
474.Kid America
475.Tommy Reznik
476.Butch Long
477.Joey Knight
478.Al Farat
479.Tyler Priegel
480.Mr. Ooh La La
481.Elia Markopoulos
482.Barry Hardy
483.Brandon Bishop
484.Lumberjack Leroux
485.The Big O
486.Shooter Storm
487.Jimi The Hippie
488.Corey Blaze
489.Chrisifix
490.LJ Cruz
491.Anton Levigh
492.Perry Von Viscious
493.The Maestro
494.Vince Beach
495.Silent Warrior
496.Johnny Adams
497.Lance Anoa’i
498.Nick Vickers
499.Shane Hollister
500.Brian Hardy

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Jun Akiyama in the top 10? did I travel back to 2001.......No wait! he's never been very good. :huh:

Its like you are Moses preaching the word. We may as well carve this whole post in stone because its the stone cold truth. Well said. You've summed up my exact feelings. The cluster of booking started with Rock vs Cena and has only gotten worse since. They should be doing what they can t keep Brock a potent draw. Beating Cena after he beat Rock would have been big but WWE had it ass backwards.

I think you can trace the stagnation of WWE back to WrestleMania 27 where the main event for the WWE title was essentially nothing more than a set up for the next Maina main event, the summer of Punk merely blurred the line a bit.

Interesting note I picked up today....

Credit www.Pwinsider.com

In regards to Matt Morgan's TNA contract, he was said to have asked for a guaranteed World Title run in his new deal. The feeling is TNA did not give it to him, and thus he did not re-sign. It's reported that Morgan cares more about having the title than money and he wants a chance to prove himself as a draw.

Strange situation, I mean I like his motivation but it's no way to get a title run IMO.

So... Apparently Punk bladed on Raw. He either has that much pull or is just doing whatever he wants now, lol.

Punk bled? I thought you guys were talking about Lawler. :funny:

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Borash looks giddy lol.

King of the Ring with Shane, the matches with Benoit after Benoit's return (The 2001 stuff was good, but only the Cage match was truly great), the cage match with Edge, NWO with the Rock, Summerslam with Rey, the Super Six tag matches, those are his great matches.

The tags were and the Benoit matches, the rest are "You do a spot, I'll do a spot" WWE structured fluff.

- We noted before that the new working idea was for Triple H to remain out of action until WrestleMania 29 next year. It wasn't known if that would be the date for the Brock Lesnar rematch or if WWE had scrapped the rematch altogether. Sources now report that the working plan is indeed for Lesnar-HHH II to take place at WrestleMania.

Obviously this would nix any plans for Lesnar vs. The Undertaker or Lesnar vs. The Rock. It's important to note that WrestleMania plans are always being worked on but the match they are going with is Lesnar vs. Triple H. While plans do change, it's said that because of Triple H's power, this match probably won't change as many times as the others will.

I reported on Monday that this week's Triple H retirement speech was not planned at SummerSlam when he loss to Lesnar but WWE wasn't happy with the original crowd reaction to his apparent retirement. One person in WWE noted that no matter what anyone claims, the entire reason they shot the retirement segment on Monday night was because they needed to get footage of the "right" crowd reaction meaning fans chanting "thank you Hunter" and other things like that.
I have to hand it to Triple H, I didn't think he could possibly become a bigger more detestable egomaniacal **** stain........he proved me wrong.

He's worse than Hogan, at least Hogan actually was the biggest star and draw ever, his ego and belief he was so important was founded on something tangible, Triple H is an insecure ******* and is so pathetic that he's even trying to manufacture emotion.
- Speaking of Austin, while he was at the SummerSlam activities in Los Angeles, he was approached by WWE Diva Cameron. She pointed out to him that she was the first person cut from Tough Enough and the only one who made it to the main roster and is still with the company.
She better hope Austin isn't as petty as most main event top guys.
 
how did sheamus get no.5 on that list, his matches/promos haven't been that good since he won the title, the extreme rules match was good, but that was more because of amdrag then sheamus
 
Mmm...hard to argue the top two even if the list leans towards kayfabe sucess or not. I could live with the top ten except for number ten. C'mon PWI...most o his run this year has been as dud. 13 should be in that 10 spot.
Actually, I would have Aries jump to eight and Storm at 10. I can't see Angle being in the top 10.

This needs a bump. In more ways than one.

- The topic of UFC canceling their upcoming pay-per-view was a hot topic backstage at WWE this week. WWE officials considered taking a shot at UFC by having a line on RAW about how they never cancel pay-per-view events.
Yeah, even death can't stop a PPV from going on.
 
that's a new low for wwe if true considering they continued a ppv even after someone died
 
- Speaking of Austin, while he was at the SummerSlam activities in Los Angeles, he was approached by WWE Diva Cameron. She pointed out to him that she was the first person cut from Tough Enough and the only one who made it to the main roster and is still with the company.
She's right, but still...
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- SmackDown Superstar Heath Slater is the proud parent of a baby girl. TNA Wrestling talent Jesse Sorensen ‏stated Wednesday on Twitter, "Congratulations to @HeathSlaterOMRB @meanstephiejean on the birth of their beautiful baby girl! #GonnaBeGreatParents."

As much as I hate you Wendy, congrats dude.
 
- The topic of UFC canceling their upcoming pay-per-view was a hot topic backstage at WWE this week. WWE officials considered taking a shot at UFC by having a line on RAW about how they never cancel pay-per-view events.

Guess this proves they see UFC as competition. They wouldn't be so worried about saying anything about them if they weren't. Maybe WWE should worry about improving their own product instead of wasting yet MORE time in a three hour Raw over making fun of another company. If they did tht Raw wouldn't be sucking as much.


- As seen on RAW, WWE is slowly starting to give Ryback more competition after having him defeat Jack Swagger this week. A source reports that WWE has not "pulled the trigger" and advanced the Ryback character yet because they're afraid of messing it up, believe it or not.

Too late.


- We noted before that the new working idea was for Triple H to remain out of action until WrestleMania 29 next year. It wasn't known if that would be the date for the Brock Lesnar rematch or if WWE had scrapped the rematch altogether. Sources now report that the working plan is indeed for Lesnar-HHH II to take place at WrestleMania.
Obviously this would nix any plans for Lesnar vs. The Undertaker or Lesnar vs. The Rock. It's important to note that WrestleMania plans are always being worked on but the match they are going with is Lesnar vs. Triple H. While plans do change, it's said that because of Triple H's power, this match probably won't change as many times as the others will.

I reported on Monday that this week's Triple H retirement speech was not planned at SummerSlam when he loss to Lesnar but WWE wasn't happy with the original crowd reaction to his apparent retirement. One person in WWE noted that no matter what anyone claims, the entire reason they shot the retirement segment on Monday night was because they needed to get footage of the "right" crowd reaction meaning fans chanting "thank you Hunter" and other things like that.

HHH and the WWE sound so...petty and self absorbed. All that ass kissing and faux retirement BS Monday just so they can essentially rewrite history in future video packages.


- The surgery that Steve Austin had back in July was full blown reconstructive surgery to repair his ACL and PCL. Austin has been doing three hours of physical therapy three times a week and is hopeful to be ready for action movie roles again in January.
Austin wrestling at WrestleMania 29 is a longshot, mainly since The Rock and Brock Lesnar are booked for the show and the focus wouldn't be on him as strong as it should. Austin wants to be 100% for a return match and if he does, wants to have complete creative control.

Get well, Stone Cold.


- Speaking of Austin, while he was at the SummerSlam activities in Los Angeles, he was approached by WWE Diva Cameron. She pointed out to him that she was the first person cut from Tough Enough and the only one who made it to the main roster and is still with the company.

This is crazy to think about in hindsight. Didn't see it coming.


- According to WrestlingFigs.com, The Killer Bees, "Jumpin" Jim Brunzell and B. Brian Blair, will appear at The Big Event 3 on October 6 at the Courtyard Marriott LaGuardia Airport 9010 Ditmars Blvd. East Elmhurst, New York.


Watch your a$$es and keep an eye out for The Shiek, boys.


- Randy Orton took to Twitter Tuesday evening to dispute online reports stating that his starring role in the WWE Studios and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment film The Marine: Homefront was nixed after companies were informed of his dishonorable discharge from the Marines. The claim was attributed to an article published on Variety.com promoting his feature role in 12 Rounds: Reloaded for WWE Studios and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment.
"A Bad Conduct Discharge and a Dishonorable Discharge under the Uniform Code of Military Justice are two different things," Orton wrote. "Come on you 'reporters'! Check your facts, and more importantly your sources! I was given a BCD, not a Dishonorable!! #semperfidelis."

Those Marines that raised a fuss sure didn't care about the difference, Randy.



I have to hand it to Triple H, I didn't think he could possibly become a bigger more detestable egomaniacal **** stain........he proved me wrong.

He's worse than Hogan, at least Hogan actually was the biggest star and draw ever, his ego and belief he was so important was founded on something tangible, Triple H is an insecure ******* and is so pathetic that he's even trying to manufacture emotion.

Triple H is a mark. he can say he's not but only a mark would be so concerned with his image at this stage in his career. If he was about business he'd hope they made some good money off Summerslam and hope Lesnar goes on to help them ALL make more money. This rematch spot at Mania could go to someone else.


She better hope Austin isn't as petty as most main event top guys.

Depends on how she approached him. If she had a cocky arrogant attitude she might be f***ed but if she just wanted to show him she is a survivor and she believed in herself Austin of all people might actually respect that. he's been written off himself and survived in the business when no one thought he had anything bigger to offer.
 
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Personal style in wrestling is relative. He is the emo equivalent of the Godwinns. Guys like Austin, the Rock, Triple H, Amdrag, Benoit, Angle, Punk, Randy Savage, Eddie, Mysterio, Edge, and so many others were and able to have a personal style while still looking like a pro wrestler, not as if they are going to some **** ass rave. Hardy's thing was a gimmick to go along with his youth. Now he is in his mid 30s, and still looks ridiculous.
Hardy's thing was being himself. The guy acts like himself and that's how he expresses himself. Again I'm not a fan of Hardy, but I'd rather see someone bring their own unique style, than watching 90% of WWE's roster all in trunks.

That makes me wonder what you think of someone like Raven, Chris Sabin (when he started wearing shorts), Paul London (same shorts example), or Mick Foley.
Angle always had trouble with late kick outs, but he wasn't having inherently "stupid" or "convoluted" matches before the period I stated. They also weren't formulaic.
If anything, Angle's matches are less formulaic due to his ring psychology being better
No, you are completely misrepresenting my point. Angle at his best was doing what he does best. Angle has never and will never be Bret Hart. He has never been able to work a match around an arm, leg, a back or other such injuries. He has never been able to systematically break down his opponent without it looking formulaic or without losing his way. But what he could do was a work a match around wearing down his opponents through his sheer physical aggression leading to them being vulnerable to his high impact moves and ankle lock. He was good enough to fill the down time pretty well with holds. Basically he was Eddie lite from that Halloween Havoc with Rey, just not quite as nasty. Angle's "psychology" before was just fine for what he did. He needed reigning in at times and was never the best, but he was great at what he did.
Angle still works that style, and he's still explosive when he needs to be. Watch his match with Yuji Nagata and try to say that it wasn't better than anything he's done in WWE.
But Angle after? It was like watching Triple H try and be a high flying Luchador, or Big Show doing the HBK "get my ass kicked for 25 min" shtick. It is just all wrong.
DarthSkywalker, do you know what caused Angle to not be that "machine" in WWE? Injuries, drug addiction, and the WWE schedule. Both are the direct cause of the WWE schedule, and it took it's toll on the guy to the point where him going to ECW was supposed to be better for him. They wouldn't give him the HBK schedule, hence the quality of his matches were a result of that. Fast forward to TNA, and he's been putting on quality matches with that company for years on a consistent basis. He's such a better wrestler now than when he first started. He evolved as wrestler is all.

Angle never drastically or radically changed his style, so your comparison of it being like HHH attempting to work a lucha style is laughable.
 
Holy ****! This whole time I didn't even notice that Cameron was the girl from TE.
 
Devon is gone from TNA.

I hope Bubba stays, one of the best things in wrestling atm, he is on the verge of being world champ and I honestly think WWE will **** up his character if he does go there.
 
Some news from Gerweck.net

- JBL recently shot down rumors, in an interview, that he might return to WWE as an announcer on Smackdown. The former World Heavyweight champion said he was having some fun with Michael Cole via Twitter, but didn’t mean to mislead anyone. JBL also said it hasn’t been offered but if it was offered he would be interested.

source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

- Ric Flair is legally free from his TNA contract as of 9/10, reports the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. There has been talk of Flair replacing Vickie Guerrero as Dolph Ziggler’s manager.

Speaking of Flair, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that Ric Flair is getting divorced from his fourth wife, Jacqueline Beems.

- TV champion Devon posted the following via Twitter tonight:

I would like to thank the tna fans for making the last seven years fun . im sure we will see each other again down the road real soon.

im ready to see where god bring me to next. i cant wait . i see big thing on the way

o and HELL NO IM NOT RETIRING.

noted earlier, Devon announced that he was finished with TNA. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that the feeling was Bully Ray was considered a probable signing.

- source: TMZ.com

WWE Star Cameron — Arrested for DUI … Allegedly Tries to Bribe Cops

WWE superstar Cameron — a member of the Funkadactyls — allegedly offered police $10,000 to let her go after she was arrested for DUI last week … this according to police.

TMZ obtained the arrest report filed by police in Tampa Bay, Florida … which shows Cameron — real name Ariane Nicole Andrew — was arrested at 2:23 AM on Friday morning outside Tampa International Airport.

The report says Cameron blew a .20 … more than twice the legal limit in Florida.

After cops took her into custody, the report says Cameron offered one of the officers $10,000 to “let her go because she would lose her job.”

In the docs, cops say Cameron listed her employer as the WWE.

Cops say Cameron had a male passenger in the car … who told police the two had been drinking martinis before getting in the car.

Cameron was booked for DUI … but eventually released.

A rep for WWE … “Ariane [Cameron] did not alert us to this matter, we are investigating and will take appropriate action.”

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- CM Punk claimed on Twitter that he ended up paying a $500,000 fine for
blading on RAW on Monday night, also paying referee Charles Robinson’s
fine for apparently being an accomplice. The WWE champion posted a pic on
his Twitter showing the eight stapes which were needed to close the gash
on his head after the show was over. “I paid Charles Robinsons fine.
#respect,” he wrote. “And yes, I have more power than you could possibly
imagine. 500k fine. Drop in the bucket. Bucket of blood!” One CM Punk
hater came back saying he wished [the cut] was across his jugular instead!
Ouch. WWE Superstars and Divas are not allowed to blade because of the TV
PG rating the show carries. When someone bleeds the hard way the match is
usually stopped until the wound can be treated and then they can continue
if the trainers successfully manage to block the bleeding.

(thanks to Colin Vassallo)
 
Speaking of Flair, The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that Ric Flair is getting divorced from his fourth wife, Jacqueline Beems.

I've been assuming it for years and a marriage ago it confirmed it for me, Flair is trying to tie his divorces with his World Title reigns. Luckily for us Ric isn't someone who just stops once he's done something, he needs to do it over and over and over! Same thing goes for him going to the top rope, it rarely worked for him but damn it give the man credit he kept at it.
 


Schwing!!
Yeah, even death can't stop a WWE PPV from going on.

Pipe Bomb!




- We noted before that the new working idea was for Triple H to remain out of action until WrestleMania 29 next year. It wasn't known if that would be the date for the Brock Lesnar rematch or if WWE had scrapped the rematch altogether. Sources now report that the working plan is indeed for Lesnar-HHH II to take place at WrestleMania.
It's time to play the game!!


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I guess this means no Brock until next year?


- The surgery that Steve Austin had back in July was full blown reconstructive surgery to repair his ACL and PCL. Austin has been doing three hours of physical therapy three times a week and is hopeful to be ready for action movie roles again in January.

I wish him a speedy recovery and better film roles.

- Speaking of Austin, while he was at the SummerSlam activities in Los Angeles, he was approached by WWE Diva Cameron. She pointed out to him that she was the first person cut from Tough Enough and the only one who made it to the main roster and is still with the company.
He replied " Well I hope your knees are holding up better than mine".
 
- Speaking of Austin, while he was at the SummerSlam activities in Los Angeles, he was approached by WWE Diva Cameron. She pointed out to him that she was the first person cut from Tough Enough and the only one who made it to the main roster and is still with the company.
I'm wondering if she even remembered what Austin's name was. She probably called him Shawn or Stan.
 
Triple H vs Brock Lesnar II at WrestleMania 29.

Great...

so WM 29 will have two rematches so far it seems, lol. One match will end the right way(Cena over Rock) while the other will be a HHH burial, hah.
 
- TV champion Devon posted the following via Twitter tonight:

I would like to thank the tna fans for making the last seven years fun . im sure we will see each other again down the road real soon.

im ready to see where god bring me to next. i cant wait . i see big thing on the way

o and HELL NO IM NOT RETIRING.

noted earlier, Devon announced that he was finished with TNA. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that the feeling was Bully Ray was considered a probable signing.
I really hope that Bully signs. TNA is low balling everyone with their new contracts. They should have signed Devon too. Despite what some people think of Devon, he's a good person to use as talent enhancement, and he still gets the crowd going.

With Devon out, I think that Bully wouldn't be too far behind.
 
I actually want to see Lesnar Vs. Undertaker. Come on, Hunter, quit being a b*tch about jobbing!
 
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