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[Mrs. Sawyer]

The push of Daniel Bryan, and even Shield is likely an effect of the "Pipebomb".

I love that the documentary highlighted that Pipebomb gave Punk plenty of attention. ESPN, GQ, various radio stations, other areas...the man became an instant star.

The Pipebomb gave WWE what Vince craved: mainstream attention, and it didn't require a part-time wrestler/full-time Hollywood star like the Rock. All it took was a talented wrestler with an amazing ability to speak, and good booking. Bam! They got it.

The new belt isn't bad, it's just underwhelming. Especially with the decision to make it in the vein of the spinner belt instead of the classic championship belts that had great designs.



Cena/Rock II is the only rematch that needed to happen, and even they could've put them on the Summerslam card, or the Royal Rumble instead of Wrestlemania. Or they could've just dismissed having the rematch and did something different, like Rock vs Punk at Mania with Punk winning. That could've added a layer to the Cena/Punk feud: Punk able to beat the man Cena couldn't.

Triple H/Lesnar II on the other hand...didn't need a rematch at all. No one was really asking for it. This is about Triple H getting a win to balance the scales between them.

You're more likely right. I was saying that i think backstage, creative had their hands tied as I think these matches were set from last year. Hopefully we Cena/Punk next year. That rivalry has too much potential to not main event Wrestlemania. Say what you want about Cena, but when in there with other top talent, he can keep up and create classics.

Punk, regardless of Wrestlemania, will get another push, but I can imagine it being like The Rock in 99-00 and Vince making us wait for sometime, though there a PPV in Illinois though...

Two Wrestlers got me back into watching wrestling: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. I hope Bryan gets another push as a singles wrestler and if they ever get screwed over there's a 90% chance I won't watch for a long time again. I stopped watching in 07 because it got stale and no new wrestlers were getting pushed at the time (at least I missed the whole PG era!).

I agree about the belt. It should have gotten more of a better balance between the spinner and classic. I can see the, introducing another title in a few year if this doesn't fully catch on.

 

[I'm Batman.]

This,but I would turn ryback heel (pair him up with a manager ,heck maybe even Heyman so ge gets some reaction) and keep Cena face.

I'm not one of these fans obsessed with Cena turning heel by a long shot and fully understand why he's face, but there are a lot of complaints from fans about Cena vs. Rock II, so the end needs payoff, and this would be the biggest change since Hogan in WCW. I just want to see what would happen. Cena has been face for close to ten years now.

 

[The Sage]

You're more likely right. I was saying that i think backstage, creative had their hands tied as I think these matches were set from last year. Hopefully we Cena/Punk next year. That rivalry has too much potential to not main event Wrestlemania. Say what you want about Cena, but when in there with other top talent, he can keep up and create classics.

Punk, regardless of Wrestlemania, will get another push, but I can imagine it being like The Rock in 99-00 and Vince making us wait for sometime, though there a PPV in Illinois though...

Two Wrestlers got me back into watching wrestling: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. I hope Bryan gets another push as a singles wrestler and if they ever get screwed over there's a 90% chance I won't watch for a long time again. I stopped watching in 07 because it got stale and no new wrestlers were getting pushed at the time (at least I missed the whole PG era!).

I agree about the belt. It should have gotten more of a better balance between the spinner and classic. I can see the, introducing another title in a few year if this doesn't fully catch on.

CM Punk is John Cena's greatest rival. Their in-ring chemistry is unbeliveably good, they just click in a match.

And it's also who they are and what they represent in the wrestling world. Cena's the walking WWE brand with the chiseled, bodybuilder-ish looks. He's what Vince sees as what a wrestler should be and he pushes him.

CM Punk's the guy from the indies, non-bodybuilder physique. He's the modern day everyman. He doesn't look like a star at first, but when he gets in the ring or has a mic in his hand, he blows you away.

Cena's the guy you know was always going to make it to the top because he fits the mold. CM Punk is the guy who made it to the top despite not fitting the mold.

That to me, is what the comparisons to Rock/Austin are. Austin was the everyman of his time who didn't fit the mold but had to get pushed because people loved him. Rock may have started off rough, but he had that physique and the wrestling pedigree behind him.

Punk put it best in a promo from the RAW before Summerslam 2011: Cena's the lion, he's the hyena.

It's a Wrestlemania epic that's waiting to happen. And truthfully, it would mean even more if Cena's the heel walking in, and Punk's the face. I think if done right, that their match could eclipse Brock/Rock, even be the last match.

Sorry, I'm long winded about the Cena/Punk rivalry. I love it.

I had seen a lot of Daniel Bryan's run on ROH on DVDs, and saw him live several times, even took a picture with him--Oh yeah!!--so I was happy to see him make it in WWE. He definitely deserves it, and he's done far more than I thought he would.

 

[NDX]

You don't have guys selling DVD's out of their coats up there?

Not dvds you'd want to admit to buying.

 

[Van Petrol]

Loving the discussion about the Cena-Punk rivalry and the comparisons to Rock-Austin. We need to get at least one WrestleMania main event for the WWE title between the two before either hang it up. They're both in, or approaching their mid 30's now, and with Punk talking about retiring in the next few years, time may not be on our side.

Hoping we get it at WrestleMania 30.

 

[Slushy]

Cena's feuds with Edge and Orton were better.

With that said, Austin 3-16 says I just whipped your ass!

 

[The Sage]

Cena's feuds with Edge and Orton were better.

With that said, Austin 3-16 says I just whipped your ass!

Whoa, back it up!

Edge? Definitely arguable.

Orton? No way, not even close. Their matches together were always dull or boring, and Orton's not as good in the ring or on the mic as Punk.

 

[Kaleb]

Cena vs Punk = Rock vs Austin/HBK vs Bret

Cena vs Orton = HHH vs Stone Cold,while Cena vs Edge = Hogan vs Piper.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If this holds up, it could be a major victory for WWE Studios:

http://www.deadline.com/2013/03/1-o...rt-wonderstone-warner-bros-5th-straight-bomb/

 

[The Sage]

- TNA officials were happy with the way Thursday's Impact Wrestling in Chicago went, from the crowd reaction to the production to the wrestlers in-ring work. The feeling is that it's good to get out of the Impact Zone from an aesthetic point of view.

- Advance sales for other upcoming Impact tapings have been good so far. TNA is working hard to make sure the on-sales are an "event" in each market.

- There is talk of holding this year's Bound For Glory pay-per-view in Chicago.

Source: PWInsider

- WWE's shop website has a new $199 plaque to commemorate CM Punk's 434 day WWE Title reign. Only 434 plaques were produced and each one is signed by Punk and Paul Heyman.

- WWE will be turning the store at Met Life stadium into the WWE store for WrestleMania 29 that week. Jim Ross will be appearing there from 1-3pm on Friday, April 5th. Ross also revealed that he will be at WrestleMania Axxess that Saturday morning from 8-10am.

- Brock Lesnar is on the cover of the April edition of Muscle & Fitness magazine, talking about his fight with diverticulitis, his return to WWE and more.

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/365444118.php
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[Dr. Evil]

The Call could be WWE Studios most successful film to date.

 

[Slushy]

Kind of ironic their newest film and biggest hit to date involves David Otunga who they didn't bother to push or use much to promote the film does better than The Marine which starred the WWE Champion.

Re: Cena's feuds

Cena had way better matches with Edge whether it was TLC, Last Man Standing, or Steel Cage. Hell, their match at Royal Rumble 2006 showed they didn't even need gimmicks to put on a good match.

As for Orton, the pinnacle of their feud was at SummerSlam 2007, a tremendous main event. Orton may have lost that match, but he one upped twice Cena by beating him in a good match Hell In A Cell and ended his Wrestlemania winning streak in a fun triple threat match involving HHH. Both losses were high profile. You may have not liked it, but I felt Cena and Orton always delivered in their matches. Well, except for that Iron Man match, which I wasted an hour of my life watching. : /

And both feuds involved Cena Sr. which them personal and added to them.

 

[Havok83]

Oh god, what irritates me so much about Smackdown is how much of it is a rehash of Raw. They spend way too much time showing clips and talking about Raw instead of showcasing original content

Fandango is awful. I think he's had like the worst wrestling debut Ive ever seen.

 

[The Sage]

Kind of ironic their newest film and biggest hit to date involves David Otunga who they didn't bother to push or use much to promote the film does better than The Marine which starred the WWE Champion.

Re: Cena's feuds

Cena had way better matches with Edge whether it was TLC, Last Man Standing, or Steel Cage. Hell, their match at Royal Rumble 2006 showed they didn't even need gimmicks to put on a good match.

As for Orton, the pinnacle of their feud was at SummerSlam 2007, a tremendous main event. Orton may have lost that match, but he one upped twice Cena by beating him in a good match Hell In A Cell and ended his Wrestlemania winning streak in a fun triple threat match involving HHH. Both losses were high profile. You may have not liked it, but I felt Cena and Orton always delivered in their matches. Well, except for that Iron Man match, which I wasted an hour of my life watching. : /

And both feuds involved Cena Sr. which them personal and added to them.

Their Summerslam match was fine, but their chemistry in the ring, and how their characters play off each other wasn't as good as either Cena's feuds with Edge and Punk. Edge was Cena's greatest opponent until Punk was elevated. I don't know what it is, but they just work well together.

You know what? You just made me realize that Punk/Cena have never had a gimmick match in their series. It's always been straight wrestling. They should up the ante the next time. I'm curious to how they'd do a TLC match with each other.

 

[Slushy]

Don't get me wrong, they were good matches, but I wouldn't consider them Cena's best.

Previous RAW matches - Nothing to remember aside from Cena defeating Punk in their first encounter in easy fashion then Punk winning in a rematch a few years with help from Nexus.

Money In The Bank 2011 - Loved the buildup and Chicago's emotion, but it was too botchy for my taste. (Plus I think Christian Vs. Orton from OTL was the best match of that year)

SummerSlam 2011 - Better in-ring match, but HHH took away the focus.

Night of Champions 2012 - The best of their PPV trilogy (on a technical standpoint) and had Punk pinned Cena in screwy fashion, this would've been my favorite match from last year.

RAW - Can't comment since I had to work that night, but I've been told its the best TV of 2013 so far.

 

[PyroChamber]

The Call could be WWE Studios most successful film to date.

Hell, even the Spill Crew liked it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The Call has been largely promoted as a Halle Berry flick instead of a WWE one. It's a strategy that has worked so far since it's doing better than the bigger hyped Burt Wonderstone.

 

[Van Petrol]

Cena vs Punk = Rock vs Austin/HBK vs Bret

Cena vs Orton = HHH vs Stone Cold,while Cena vs Edge = Hogan vs Piper.

I'd somewhat disagree with that. Obviously it wasn't at the level of a Cena-Orton, Rock-Austin or HBK-Bret, but I thought their feud was really good. Their 3 stages of hell match at NWO2001 was excellent, and won match of the year if I recall.

Austin should've gone over though DAMMIT!!!...

 

[Wheels]

The Call is from the director of The Machinist, so WWE is getting involved with quality filmmakers. Dead Man Down got a positive review from Chris Stuckman, who's not a big name but his reviews are great.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

CM Punk is John Cena's greatest rival. Their in-ring chemistry is unbeliveably good, they just click in a match.

And it's also who they are and what they represent in the wrestling world. Cena's the walking WWE brand with the chiseled, bodybuilder-ish looks. He's what Vince sees as what a wrestler should be and he pushes him.

CM Punk's the guy from the indies, non-bodybuilder physique. He's the modern day everyman. He doesn't look like a star at first, but when he gets in the ring or has a mic in his hand, he blows you away.

Cena's the guy you know was always going to make it to the top because he fits the mold. CM Punk is the guy who made it to the top despite not fitting the mold.

That to me, is what the comparisons to Rock/Austin are. Austin was the everyman of his time who didn't fit the mold but had to get pushed because people loved him. Rock may have started off rough, but he had that physique and the wrestling pedigree behind him.

Punk put it best in a promo from the RAW before Summerslam 2011: Cena's the lion, he's the hyena.

It's a Wrestlemania epic that's waiting to happen. And truthfully, it would mean even more if Cena's the heel walking in, and Punk's the face. I think if done right, that their match could eclipse Brock/Rock, even be the last match.

Sorry, I'm long winded about the Cena/Punk rivalry. I love it.

I had seen a lot of Daniel Bryan's run on ROH on DVDs, and saw him live several times, even took a picture with him--Oh yeah!!--so I was happy to see him make it in WWE. He definitely deserves it, and he's done far more than I thought he would.

Thank you! I was trying to find the perfect rivalry to describe them, and came up with Stone Cold/Bret Hart, but I think The Rock vs. Stone was better.

I just want Vince to continue the rivalry eventually and not fully ignore. I do believe they can have a signature match. That Money in The Bank 2011 I think was a memorable match and their Raw match will be memorable too.

The Call has been largely promoted as a Halle Berry flick instead of a WWE one. It's a strategy that has worked so far since it's doing better than the bigger hyped Burt Wonderstone.

That's because Burt Wonderstone looked like straight up crap. Carrell needs to go back to teaming with Apatow for comedies like that.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Carrell should've just stayed on The Office as at least he was enjoyable...can't think of anything great he's been on since he left the series.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Was Crazy Stupid Love before or after he left the series? Because that was great.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

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[Dark Sentinel]

Honestly, I'd like to see Cena lose at WrestleMania and just flipswitch. His angle has been about redemption, and WWE's done a nice job incorporating Cena's divorce as part of his "collapse" after losing to Rock last time. This would be a great opportunity to put Cena in the WHC picture to return some prestige to that title, but as a heel. A vicious heel. I know Cena's capable of vicious, and that's something I'd want to see.

I've said before how it would behoove WWE to "revive" WCW under Paul Heyman and have it "take over" SmackDown, and you could make Cena their "Hogan" in terms of comparability to the heel turns, with Cena leading the Shield.

WWE has a huge opportunity to completely change their MO as Levesque gains more creative control.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Kaleb]

Was Crazy Stupid Love before or after he left the series? Because that was great.

Before.