The X-Men movies were a waste.

well it does take forever for her powers to work in the movies.:o:oldrazz:

I assume Pyro didn't have access to a flame during the raid. And so she whined to Bobby? pfft big deal. She seemed more adept at using that ability than anything.:o
 
They showed Pyro grabbing his lighter before he left his room..

I remember reading a early draft of the script where in that scene she borrowed Bobby's power and went off to get Logan herself. Now THAT would have been badass.
 
Well...I think I can honestly say that Rogue was one of the few characters that actually gave this trilogy any substance when I look back at it.
 
Well...I think I can honestly say that Rogue was one of the few characters that actually gave this trilogy any substance when I look back at it.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Sometimes, when I watch the movies, it's like Rogue brings a sense of reality into it, when most characters seem to come out from the cheapest comic book. Am I the only one who is actually happy to have a comic adaptation that doesn't look very much like the comics? I think I may be one of a few. It may be a throw down to many, but makes me feel good.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Sometimes, when I watch the movies, it's like Rogue brings a sense of reality into it, when most characters seem to come out from the cheapest comic book. Am I the only one who is actually happy to have a comic adaptation that doesn't look very much like the comics?I think I may be one of a few. It may be a throw down to many, but makes me feel good.

Well, obviously not. Probably to all who are not X-men Comic fans and actually LIKED X1 & X2. I mean, I just can't see Hugh Jackman with a Power Ranger suit. At least not this reality :dry:
 
Well, obviously not. Probably to all who are not X-men Comic fans and actually LIKED X1 & X2. I mean, I just can't see Hugh Jackman with a Power Ranger suit. At least not this reality :dry:
I was a fan of TAS before the movies... People who became fans of X-men after the movies seem to be discriminated around here :rolleyes:
 
Morgoth ! as your nickname seem to suggest !
you are indeed an oozing crawling maggot !
lol

X men franchise is one of the best if not the best!
so says Diamondhead!
 
I was a fan of TAS before the movies... People who became fans of X-men after the movies seem to be discriminated around here :rolleyes:

Seems to be. And what difference should it make? We're all fans of the X-Men here, and all expected a lot from the films. Why should it matter whether we become fans 1 year, 5 years or 20 years ago?
 
Over all the whole series was a let down, and a total waste.

I would agree with this post.As for the actors,i thought the actors for Jean,Logan,Scott,Rouge,Magneto and Scott were good.Juggernaught was good also...but when compaired to Spider-Man,X-Men is nothing.At least they gave Chris Claremont a cameo scene.
 
X-Men trilogy is the best!

For me, better than Spider-man movies, Spidy movies are better but X-Men will always be my favorite
 
People have been talking about a reboot in the future which I really hope. Howeverm the thing I've been thinking of the X-Men franchise just seems too vast for a movie franchise especially a trilogy. I actually think a live action tv series would work much better since you can do a lot more. And I think after what Lucas does with the live action star wars series, tv special effects would get a lot better. However, I woud not want to have it on Fox or the other primetime slots since they could easily f it up. Why not HBO? or even FX. I'm not dismissing a movie franchise, Im just saying a tv series would probally be able to cover more stuff instead of sqeezing so much stuff in a 2 hr film.
 
The movies are grounded in reality. Someone who calls himself Wolverine shouldnt be wearing blue and yellow spandex.

It works for Spiderman because of the tone of the material. Spiderman is more light hearted than Xmen.

Batmans costume is changed, why? Because the tone of the material demands it. It woudl be hard to take Batman seriously if he was running around in tights. The film is grounded in reality so it becomes armor. Fans need to realize that a movie is not a comic book and what works on a flat page wont always work on film.

The costumes have a working purpose. Should these guys ever need to sneak around, they should be wearing black. Leather is also a protectant, which is why bikers wear it. But having said that I wouldnt have minded a little more "Xman" in their costumes. Like Alex Ross movie concept drawings. http://img19.exs.cx/img19/570/xmenross5us.jpg

I think the first is ok and love the second. The problem is with the studio who decided to just sweep the franchise under the rug - but this is a part of problem that goes further back.

Casting. I never liked Halle or Famke in these parts. They were too old and you run in to problems with "will they return"? Famke was almost 40 for X3. I always felt they should have started at the beginning and gotten a unknown teen cast. Stewart and McKellan could have been the names to carry the film, but IMHO the Xmen should have been unknowns. A group we could watch grow and mature over the years as the sequels continued to come out.(Since we know from background info given in the films that Beast was a Xman,Scott grew up with Xavier and Magneto was once involved in the school, we could be coming in literally decades after the beginning. I would have used the first couple years as a starting point)

And Ive never been completely sold on Jackmans Wolverine. The guys a bit too girlymanish.

Ill never understand why the first film was edited down so much. Your introducing about a dozen characters to be used in a continuing story. Rothman didnt have faith in Xmen from the beginning.
I would have used the original team plus Storm introducing Wolverine during the 1/2 way point- leaving anticipation high for the sequel. And its a crime the Hellfire Club werent used in a Xfilm.

Xmen could have been like James Bond - a new movie every 2 years for a over a decade, spanning lots of characters and stories.

They screwed it up.

BTW, I also would have attempted to go the multiple release route. This isnt a new concept. Speilberg used it back inthe 80s for the Back to the Future sequels. The onyl drawback is a longer shooting schedule, but the benefits are much larger. After the first film shoot the sequels back to back. The first films release will pay for post production of the next. Costs will go down becuase your using sets for multiple films. The writters should be writting the next 2 films while shooting is being done on the previous (like Harry Potter). Anticipation will remain high becuase you only have a year or so wait until the next, which the DVD release keeping the hype up. This is really the way to go and I wish more of this type genre film would use it.

Technology is at the point now where this can be done. Were going on our 5th Potter film in only 7 years time.

Pirates, LOTR and Harry Potter have shown how successful this method can be.
 
The movies are grounded in reality. Someone who calls himself Wolverine shouldnt be wearing blue and yellow spandex.

It works for Spiderman because of the tone of the material. Spiderman is more light hearted than Xmen.

Batmans costume is changed, why? Because the tone of the material demands it. It woudl be hard to take Batman seriously if he was running around in tights. The film is grounded in reality so it becomes armor. Fans need to realize that a movie is not a comic book and what works on a flat page wont always work on film.

The costumes have a working purpose. Should these guys ever need to sneak around, they should be wearing black. Leather is also a protectant, which is why bikers wear it. But having said that I wouldnt have minded a little more "Xman" in their costumes. Like Alex Ross movie concept drawings. http://img19.exs.cx/img19/570/xmenross5us.jpg

I think the first is ok and love the second. The problem is with the studio who decided to just sweep the franchise under the rug - but this is a part of problem that goes further back.

Casting. I never liked Halle or Famke in these parts. They were too old and you run in to problems with "will they return"? Famke was almost 40 for X3. I always felt they should have started at the beginning and gotten a unknown teen cast. Stewart and McKellan could have been the names to carry the film, but IMHO the Xmen should have been unknowns. A group we could watch grow and mature over the years as the sequels continued to come out.(Since we know from background info given in the films that Beast was a Xman,Scott grew up with Xavier and Magneto was once involved in the school, we could be coming in literally decades after the beginning. I would have used the first couple years as a starting point)

And Ive never been completely sold on Jackmans Wolverine. The guys a bit too girlymanish.

Ill never understand why the first film was edited down so much. Your introducing about a dozen characters to be used in a continuing story. Rothman didnt have faith in Xmen from the beginning.
I would have used the original team plus Storm introducing Wolverine during the 1/2 way point- leaving anticipation high for the sequel. And its a crime the Hellfire Club werent used in a Xfilm.

Xmen could have been like James Bond - a new movie every 2 years for a over a decade, spanning lots of characters and stories.

They screwed it up.

BTW, I also would have attempted to go the multiple release route. This isnt a new concept. Speilberg used it back inthe 80s for the Back to the Future sequels. The onyl drawback is a longer shooting schedule, but the benefits are much larger. After the first film shoot the sequels back to back. The first films release will pay for post production of the next. Costs will go down becuase your using sets for multiple films. The writters should be writting the next 2 films while shooting is being done on the previous (like Harry Potter). Anticipation will remain high becuase you only have a year or so wait until the next, which the DVD release keeping the hype up. This is really the way to go and I wish more of this type genre film would use it.

Technology is at the point now where this can be done. Were going on our 5th Potter film in only 7 years time.

Pirates, LOTR and Harry Potter have shown how successful this method can be.

excellent post my friend:up: What people need to realize is X-men is a very serious comic book nothing light hearted like spider-man so of course it has to have a realisitc tone and feel for a live action film especially to make some of the powers to feel somehwhat believable. Same goes with the costumes spandex would NOT work. However, leather doesnt do good either. They are strike force they need protection, but also something that is flexible, easy to move in. Speaking of protection why no helmets? pads bullet proof vests? a mask to hide their identity? I think the uniforms can be take one step further
 
It's amazing how people talk about how realistic x-men is compared to other characters when its the xmen who have gone to space, secret islands with freaking flying dinoasaur people, and giant robots who maim and kill...but hey, if fox feeds them the company line,they must be inclined to believe it, i guess
 
It's amazing how people talk about how realistic x-men is compared to other characters when its the xmen who have gone to space, secret islands with freaking flying dinoasaur people, and giant robots who maim and kill...but hey, if fox feeds them the company line,they must be inclined to believe it, i guess

no we are saying the movies have a realistic tone. The comic book, although is pretty serious and has meaning compared to other comics, are definatly NOT realisitc lol
 
"Why should it matter whether we become fans 1 year, 5 years or 20 years ago?"

It can matter in what we expect from the movie based on our experiences with the characters.

Generally speaking, the guys who watched the cartoons of the 90s seem to have very different ideas than say me, who read the comics in the 70s and early 80s and never watched any of the cartoons or werent familiar with the ultimate lines.


Look at the Spiderman threads. Fans of the 90s cartoons and comics want Venom. The older crowd(I stopped reading Spiderman around 86 or so) think Venom sucks and so the debate is endless on what these movies should contain.

So yes your right,while were all fans, it does matter from a expectation standpoint.
 
I think in general the uniform's work, I think Storm's, Jean's, Colossus', Kitty's, Iceman's and Wolverine's look great. I would however have made the blue in Cyclop's and green in Rogue's more prominent and I think Rogue's gloves should have been green too, not black.
 
It's amazing how people talk about how realistic x-men is compared to other characters when its the xmen who have gone to space, secret islands with freaking flying dinoasaur people, and giant robots who maim and kill...but hey, if fox feeds them the company line,they must be inclined to believe it, i guess

That's a good point. But I think it was the basic theme (discrimination/alienation/minorities) that sold the first movie and gave it wider appeal. Legislation, senators, schools, world summits, military bases are all more relatable than the way-out sci-fi stuff.

Had the franchise been handled better - and properly planned - the more outlandish elements could have been introduced later on once the underlying themes were established well.

Some of the more indulgent fantasy stuff from the comics wouldn't work and that's obviously because comics have the time and number of issues to go off on a tangent and leave behind their main themes. The movies needed to be more focused.

But most of the comicbook stuff would work in some way or other. For instance, the Brood were a rip-off of Alien - they might work in a Danger Room setting but otherwise are not relevant or significant. Most things can be adapted.

A never-ending franchise might be difficult without recasting, but there is potential for more movies.
 
youre a waste....


*said in a 3 year olds voice*
 

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