There will be no peace in the Wrestling Thread until there is justice! - Part 88

[UnionJack]

Good Jericho interview. [YT]8aveiRyplgs[/YT]

This was a good watch, Chris always does a good interview, seems like a good guy you could catch and hangout with.

 

[UnionJack]

Soo with Raw being a "throw away" retro Raw what and who can we expect.

- Taker to turn up and start his thing with Punk.

- Something with Piper as he always shows up on these sort of shows, has a go a Swagger as he is part Scottish.

- Maybe some JR to help the commentary run better and not focus on the advertisers and social media BS.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Soo with Raw being a "throw away" retro Raw what and who can we expect.

- Taker to turn up and start his thing with Punk.

- Something with Piper as he always shows up on these sort of shows, has a go a Swagger as he is part Scottish.

- Maybe some JR to help the commentary run better and not focus on the advertisers and social media BS.

Remember that Piper is also an immigrant (born in Canada, lives in the US).

 

[Metallo]

I wouldn't like that. The character may be of little use these days but it would completely go against the very essence of the Undertaker to run away.

Yeah you're right. I can't see a man like the Undertaker just giving up and leaving instead of standing his ground and fighting to the end. Just doesn't seem very in character.

He'd want a definitive ending. Thats why he wanted a rematch with Triple H. Even though he "won" at WM27 he still looked weakened in losing. He didn't want to let it stand like that.

Originally Posted by TheFuture
Excerpt from an interview Rock did with IGN The Rock on how he wanted to work with someone he could do big business with: "Here's the thing. The question was that if I was going to go back in the WWE, how could I go back and make the most impact? With who can I headline WrestleMania in that company and make the most impact? And the bottom line is that it continues to be John Cena. Just in terms of, and we'll use a Hollywood term here, box office appeal. Universal appeal. Athletic pairing. So there are a lot of reasons."
Universal appeal? After the stinker they produced last year I'd have to question who would want to see it again.

And LOL at the athletic pairing comment. You may look the part Rock but athletes don't get gassed and have to be carried to JUST a mediocre performance.

Yeah his claim is questionable. It is the biggest match WWE could have done that was fresh but Cena hardly has universal appeal. The match as a whole really didnt either. Not like epic main event matches of the past anyway. In hindsight it sure as hell wasn't an a great athletic pairing. Cenas a decent athlete (by wrestling standards) but not spectacular and Rock is past his prime. It was a slow plodding mess at times.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I'm still cautiously optimistic about Rock/Cena II. They've learned from last year's mistakes, and if they concentrate on ring psychology instead of athleticism, they might pull off something close to Rock/Hogan or Hogan/Andre.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

nope sorry gonna call it now its gonna suck harder than and experienced porn star.

the only way they can make this even half way decent, is to test the waters. like i've said before play up the idea cena can't beat rock, no matter what he tries rock wont stay down and start to show a more darker brutal side to cena.

it can lead to him changing to heel or even just gaining an edge

i'll say it again rock/cena will suck unless they look to something like mania 17 for a blue print

 

[TX85]

Any big differences between WWE'13 360&PS3 versions?,I'm trading in my 360 soon and keeping my PS3,I might be buying WWE'13 for PS3 in March or April since there would still be 8-10 months until WWE'14/2K14(confirmed) and so I'm wondering IF there's any big noticeable differences in the ports?

Last time I had&played any of the games in the franchise for Playstation was SvR2006 for PS2 and since then it's been for 360 although I did have LOWM for PS3,So it might be weird to just go back to Playstation for WWE games..Although I feel like I'm going back to it's roots since the franchise started on PS1 and was exclusive until SvR2007

 

[Anno_Domini]

You know, I get the box office appeal and universal appeal. John Cena is the biggest name and face in the WWE even if you don't like the idea and Cena and Rock both have a solid fanbase, BUT...athletic appeal? LOL.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I love how the internet keeps saying that Kane is ridiculous now and some say he sucked since he took mask. I disagree, especially when you consider that Kane did some pretty ridiculous and funny stuff before he took off mask, or did the internet decide to forget about when he was teaming with X-Pac or any of the Drew Carey or Pete Rose stuff?

If anything, fans should be pissed that WWF let him speak when he started teaming with X-Pac.

Any big differences between WWE'13 360&PS3 versions?,I'm trading in my 360 soon and keeping my PS3,I might be buying WWE'13 for PS3 in March or April since there would still be 8-10 months until WWE'14/2K14(confirmed) and so I'm wondering IF there's any big noticeable differences in the ports?

Last time I had&played any of the games in the franchise for Playstation was SvR2006 for PS2 and since then it's been for 360 although I did have LOWM for PS3,So it might be weird to just go back to Playstation for WWE games..Although I feel like I'm going back to it's roots since the franchise started on PS1 and was exclusive until SvR2007

From what I do know, the PS3 has more major bugs

 

[Wheels]

Glenn Jacobs has gotten raw a deal from WWE over his career. Is there a character that has been in more garbage storylines than Kane?

 

[chamber-music]

- Something with Piper as he always shows up on these sort of shows, has a go a Swagger as he is part Scottish.

They going to argue over the lack of salt in porridge

 

[Wheels]

The Shield must on Piper's Pit so that Ambrose and Piper can have a verbal exchange.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Glenn Jacobs has gotten raw a deal from WWE over his career. Is their a character that has been in more garbage storylines than Kane?

And he always manages to still stay popular with fans. I actually love that Kane can go from funny to f**king scary like nothing and most people usually accept it. Who else can go from intimidating the Undertaker to being associated with DX to taking out 8-9 to you-know-the-woman to Being a monster after being unmasked to Anger Management classes?

My point is that Kane has never been really consistently and that people (not anyone specific in this thread) need to stop thinking he was in the attitude era.

 

[chamber-music]

The Shield must on Piper's Pit so that Ambrose and Piper can have a verbal exchange.

I think my face would melt off like that nazi at the end of Raiders Of The Lost Ark from the sheer crazy of those two in the ring together.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The Shield must on Piper's Pit so that Ambrose and Piper can have a verbal exchange.

I think my face would melt off like that nazi at the end of Raiders Of The Lost Ark from the sheer crazy of those two in the ring together.

Piper should have Bryan Clark and Steve Corino by this side to make it extra confusing.

 

[Wheels]

^Only if Clark is wearing his Adam Bomb gear.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm still cautiously optimistic about Rock/Cena II. They've learned from last year's mistakes, and if they concentrate on ring psychology instead of athleticism, they might pull off something close to Rock/Hogan or Hogan/Andre.

Last year was their chance to do that. They had the crowd, they had the honest question of who was going to win and they had the build up.

This year's match could be better, hard to see how it could be worse, but it won't have the heat of significance of last year's.

 

[Metallo]

I'm still cautiously optimistic about Rock/Cena II. They've learned from last year's mistakes, and if they concentrate on ring psychology instead of athleticism, they might pull off something close to Rock/Hogan or Hogan/Andre.

I don't think it'll have anywhere near the "feel" or the epicness of Rock/Hogan or Hogan/Andre. Thats what made those matches work. The ingredients and buildup just aren't there for that in Rock/Cena II even though it will probably be mechanically better than both. Rock/Hogan had the benefit of being a first time generational icon vs icon dream match.

Hogan/Andre...while not being a new matchup was riding high on the sucess of WWE at the time and had a fantastic build along with that same icon vs icon flavor. Hogan was hugely over and Andre had an awesome monster image. It created huge anticipation to see those two titans collide. Most of the work in Hogan vs Andre was done before the bell even rang.

I think you're right though. Rock/Cena II could be better than Rock/Cena I because they at least have that match to look back on and see how they can make improvments.

I don't expect it to be amazing or live up to the hype WWE is pushing but it could be an improvment of some kind. Just not what it should be on every level that it should be. Rock's done nothing spectacular to make the title really matter in this like it should and the build up so far has been "meh." They'd have to do a complete creative 180 in a month.

Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil
nope sorry gonna call it now its gonna suck harder than and experienced porn star.

the only way they can make this even half way decent, is to test the waters. like i've said before play up the idea cena can't beat rock, no matter what he tries rock wont stay down and start to show a more darker brutal side to cena.

it can lead to him changing to heel or even just gaining an edge

i'll say it again rock/cena will suck unless they look to something like mania 17 for a blue print

I don't think it'll be THAT terrible but I don't think it'll be anything special. Chances are it will be yet another underwhelming Mania main event.

You're right a Cena heel turn would spice things it but its just a shame that in your scenario Cena yet again has to look like a chump in the ring against Rock.

Mania 17's turn by Austin isn't exactly seen as a universal favorite or sucess. Its still controversial. The basic idea of the Hogan turn in 96 makes more sense for Cena. The explanation is already there. Cena busts his a** but half the fans he works hard to entertain still boo him. Meanwhile a part timer like Rock who left years ago gets met with big cheers. Thats a believable reason for Cena to feel slighted byt he fans and thus turn his back on them becoming an angry bigger badass heel who puts others down with scathing insults a bit like the old heel Cena used to.

Cenas turn would never be as sucessful as Hogans but some of the same rules and ideas apply right now. If Cena gets booed to hell in the main event and Rock gets cheered that writes out the exlapantion for any heel turn WWE might want to do during or after the match in a simple and understandable way. Then again they both might get booed but it still works on Cenas end of things.

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne
I love how the internet keeps saying that Kane is ridiculous now and some say he sucked since he took mask. I disagree, especially when you consider that Kane did some pretty ridiculous and funny stuff before he took off mask, or did the internet decide to forget about when he was teaming with X-Pac or any of the Drew Carey or Pete Rose stuff?

If anything, fans should be pissed that WWF let him speak when he started teaming with X-Pac.

I agree. Ridiculous...NOW? Where have thes people been for the last decade? Kanes been hnded ridiculous stuff to do for years. Nothing he's done since putting the mask back on is as bad as some of the sh** WWE had him do in the past before he took it off the first time or after.

May 19th? Kane vs fake Kane? The feuds with Khali? Kane trying to rescue kidnapped Paul Bearer from Edge? Hell this stuff Kanes doing now is QUALITY compared to the Katie Vick storyline.

Originally Posted by Antman
Glenn Jacobs has gotten raw a deal from WWE over his career. Is their a character that has been in more garbage storylines than Kane?

Of all the guys in WWE now? Nope. Kanes been there so long that he's got to take the prize for the most crappy stories. Mark Henry is one guy thats a close second though. I think Mizzark has maybe had worse storylines but Kane has had more bad ones.

Either way you're right. For a guy as talented as he is Kanes been handed more sh** storylines from creative than just about anyone on is level in the last 15 years. Kane has always been at the very least dependable as a talent. Always solid. Its creative thats dropped the ball time and time again.

The Shield must on Piper's Pit so that Ambrose and Piper can have a verbal exchange.

This...this needs to happen. The very thought of it gets my anticipation up. A Pit like that could be great television.

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne
And he always manages to still stay popular with fans. I actually love that Kane can go from funny to f**king scary like nothing and most people usually accept it. Who else can go from intimidating the Undertaker to being associated with DX to taking out 8-9 to you-know-the-woman to Being a monster after being unmasked to Anger Management classes?

My point is that Kane has never been really consistently and that people (not anyone specific in this thread) need to stop thinking he was in the attitude era.

Kane's always been pretty consistent in the ring its just that like Antman said he's a magnet for *****ty material from the creative team. They have no idea how to write good stuff for him most of the time. If anything Kane is too loyal and dependable a talent. If it were me I'd throw those sh** ideas back in creative's faces. Kane just takes 'em and tries to make the best of them seemingly without making much of a fuss.

Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker
Last year was their chance to do that. They had the crowd, they had the honest question of who was going to win and they had the build up.

This year's match could be better, hard to see how it could be worse, but it won't have the heat of significance of last year's.

Agreed. The novelty of the matchup is gone now. Like you said last year it was much more special but now everyone has an idea of what to expect. WWE creative isn't helping with much of a big buildup so far either.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I don't think it'll be THAT terrible but I don't think it'll be anything special. Chances are it will be yet another underwhelming Mania main event.

You're right a Cena heel turn would spice things it but its just a shame that in your scenario Cena yet again has to look like a chump in the ring against Rock.

Mania 17's turn by Austin isn't exactly seen as a universal favorite or sucess. Its still controversial. The basic idea of the Hogan turn in 96 makes more sense for Cena. The explanation is already there. Cena busts his a** but half the fans he works hard to entertain still boo him. Meanwhile a part timer like Rock who left years ago gets met with big cheers. Thats a believable reason for Cena to feel slighted byt he fans and thus turn his back on them becoming an angry bigger badass heel who puts others down with scathing insults a bit like the old heel Cena used to.

Cenas turn would never be as sucessful as Hogans but some of the same rules and ideas apply right now. If Cena gets booed to hell in the main event and Rock gets cheered that writes out the exlapantion for any heel turn WWE might want to do during or after the match in a simple and understandable way. Then again they both might get booed but it still works on Cenas end of things.

i used the austin turn because its the one that in my memory was the most out of left field for the wwe anyway.

while i agree my scenario doesn't make cena look amazing i would hope it could be based on to create what is such an obvious heel persona for him. which ironically was the rocks. the corporate idol

how in the hell can the not see cena as a corporate heel would work. have him play up the whole company man, the face of wrestling. hell throw in a little of foleys ecw sleaze ball style.

have him win the title, AA the rock through a table after the match and end mania with cena holding the title over his downed opponent. the next night on raw he goes on a rant about hustle loyalty and respect and how he's give every inch of his being only to have it thrown back in his face. hell even show a video of all the times the crowd boo'ed him.

this opens up so many chances to refresh the landscape of wwe maybe turn a few others to shake it up

i'm sitting thinking all this up and there is more chance of me getting a date with karen gillian than cena turning heel

 

[The Sage]

- As noted before, the February 25th WWE RAW did a strong 3.43 rating with 4.70 million viewers.

In the segment breakdown, the show opened strong with Vince McMahon, Paul Heyman, Brock Lesnar and Triple H for a 3.6 quarter rating. We only have estimates on the gains and losses this week but Ryback vs. Dolph Ziggler lost about 285,000 viewers. CM Punk's promo and trailer for The Call gained around 420,000 viewers - huge numbers for that time slot. The Great Khali vs. Mark Henry lost around 285,000 viewers. Jack Swagger, Zeb Colter and Alberto Del Rio at 9pm gained about 285,000 viewers for a strong 3.7 quarter rating.

Antonio Cesaro vs. Randy Orton lost about 430,000 viewers while Cody Rhodes vs. R-Truth stayed even. Kane and Daniel Bryan vs. Darren Young and Titus O'Neil lost another 285,000 viewers. The Shield's promo at 10pm with Sheamus and Randy Orton getting involved gained around 285,000 viewers for a 3.4 quarter rating.

The big drop of the night came with The Miz vs. Jack Swagger, losing around 430,000 viewers. John Cena's promo gained around 140,000 viewers and CM Punk vs. Cena in the main event gained 1,002,000 viewers for a 3.9 overrun rating - a huge success.

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

http://www.pwpix.net/pwpixnews/headlines/364093142.php

You mean a great match between two over stars can draw ratings? WOW!!!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

i used the austin turn because its the one that in my memory was the most out of left field for the wwe anyway.

while i agree my scenario doesn't make cena look amazing i would hope it could be based on to create what is such an obvious heel persona for him. which ironically was the rocks. the corporate idol

how in the hell can the not see cena as a corporate heel would work. have him play up the whole company man, the face of wrestling. hell throw in a little of foleys ecw sleaze ball style.

have him win the title, AA the rock through a table after the match and end mania with cena holding the title over his downed opponent. the next night on raw he goes on a rant about hustle loyalty and respect and how he's give every inch of his being only to have it thrown back in his face. hell even show a video of all the times the crowd boo'ed him.

this opens up so many chances to refresh the landscape of wwe maybe turn a few others to shake it up

i'm sitting thinking all this up and there is more chance of me getting a date with karen gillian than cena turning heel

Well I mean, I did get AJ Lee out of The Shield beating Cena, Ryback and Sheamus

 

[Pink Ranger]

i'm sitting thinking all this up and there is more chance of me getting a date with karen gillian than cena turning heel

That might be true, but if Ziggler jobs to Ryback you might get some over-the-blouse action from Catherine Tate.

 

[Metallo]

Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil
i used the austin turn because its the one that in my memory was the most out of left field for the wwe anyway.

while i agree my scenario doesn't make cena look amazing i would hope it could be based on to create what is such an obvious heel persona for him. which ironically was the rocks. the corporate idol

how in the hell can the not see cena as a corporate heel would work. have him play up the whole company man, the face of wrestling. hell throw in a little of foleys ecw sleaze ball style.

have him win the title, AA the rock through a table after the match and end mania with cena holding the title over his downed opponent. the next night on raw he goes on a rant about hustle loyalty and respect and how he's give every inch of his being only to have it thrown back in his face. hell even show a video of all the times the crowd boo'ed him.

this opens up so many chances to refresh the landscape of wwe maybe turn a few others to shake it up

i'm sitting thinking all this up and there is more chance of me getting a date with karen gillian than cena turning heel

I really like the bold part. That could work. And you're right the corporate champion would be the way to go since Cena is the most WWE corporate created top star/face of the company ever. He represents the new way of doing things. The kind of guy McMahon wants as part of his creative formula. Vince would have to be a heel and support him though. Sing his praises in an annoying way and all that.

Originally Posted by The Sage
You mean a great match between two over stars can draw ratings? WOW!!!

Yeah I know. Shocking isn't it?!?!?! The very idea that two of WWE's current stars could draw so well when presenting something of quality is just SOOOOOO hard for me to believe! Must have been really hard for WWE to realize it.

Good tv product... = ratings? Hmmm. The mind boggles.



In all seriousness I'm glad to see they drew well with a match we've seen quite a few times already. It just shows that some people are seeing the Cena/Punk rivalry as something special and do realize that they work well together. There was little doubt about Cena winning so it had to draw based on the quality of these two guys work together and people wondering if this match would be up to their usual standard.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[OnTheAir]

Bully desecrated the appletini! How disrespectful!!!