ive seen this in the misc. batfilms thread, so i thought i'd start it here with my thoughts. pro's: -bruce wayne. they got the character if him right, the playboy aspect as well as the brooding aspect. - Gotham was dark dank city that looked dirty and not all neon and colored. - Alfred was fleshed out more then he had been in the other movies. -Gordon was finally done justice like the way he is in the comics, 'stache and all. -Batmobile can go REALLY fast this time and now the speed of a golf cart. - gave great explanations about how batman got his stuff and how he became batman in a plausible fashion that made sense. con's: -Falcone didnt come off as dangerous as as he is in the comics, and he talked like a common hood, like a bad godfather impression. came off more funny then threatning. -Ras is not a deadly enviromentalist but some kind of nihlist. i dont remember him being like this in the comics. -the Fat-suit. and the tight mouthpiece. combined with that voice. made batman look stupid. -"nice coat" "excuse me" "its what i DOOO that defines me". please. -Flass was totally unlike the comics version, which i felt worked better. he was more deadly and a threat to gordon and his ideas while in the film he was the least threatning corrupt cop ever. lame. -Batmobile, or "tumbler". may have rode awsome in the movie, but it looked like sh**, plain and simple. -fight scenes. nuff said. -scarecrow. looked nothing like in the comics, and certainly wasnt as scary or creepy. and when did scarecrow become a young pretty boy with a whisper? -Katie holmes. nuff said. you may carry on with your own comments.