Endgame Thor/God of Thunder - Chris Hemsworth

[Mr. Peanut]

So much of what you're saying doesn't even make sense.

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What are you even talking about? Thor turned the tide of the battle. If it wasn't for him, Cap, War Machine, Black Widow... wouldn't even be alive. CM arrival is crucial and Thor's isn't? Come on now. Thor arrival in Wakanda did come ou of nowhere hence the impact it had on the general audience.

Thanos just head butted her once. Relax. He could have done so much more.

Comparing Captain America with Thor doesn't make any sense. Just because he has wielded Mjolnir doesn't put him on the same level of even Pre-Ragnarok Thor. Let us not kid ourselves here. Out of shape Thor was definitely weaker because of his physical and mental condition. The only thing Thor lost was his prime condition, the rest he clearly maintained.

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Okay, fair enough on that first point, but it was still something they built up to. It didn't come randomly out of nowhere. Thor was a main character in the narrative of IW and his journey to get Stormbreaker was a big part of the plot. Whereas CM just randomly comes back from her unspecified busywork at the end. They should have made her a main character in the plot if they wanted her to have such an important role in the resolution.

Thanos was clearly outmatched without the infinity stones. Carol almost rips the gauntlet off and Thanos is unable to stop her until he blasts her with the power stone.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." That's the incantation Odin puts on the hammer. He doesn't say "some of the power of Thor". There's no reason to think Cap weilding the hammer isn't as powerful as Thor was when he himself was weilding the hammer. And fat Thor was about as effective against no-gauntlet Thanos (he's not even strong enough to push Thanos back as he's about to stab him in the chest) whereas in IW he nearly killed completed-gauntlet Thanos with Stormbreaker. Fat Thor is a shadow of his IW self.

 

[ciscostudent561]

My hot take... Thor's great trilogy.

LOL TRUE

 

[Iceman]

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That's why I think it's important to make a distinction between this aspect of the movie for Thor (that is, his journey) and how he was used in the final battle. I liked much of what they did with Thor character-wise, but I was disappointed that by the end, he didn't really have any standout sequences in the battle, making up for how far he had fallen in the prior 5 years. Anytime it seemed like he would, it didn't really go anywhere. This is the last of this stage of movies, so it would have been nice to see Thor do something special, even if it was helping Captain Marvel take down Thanos' ship, just something standout.

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I would have liked to see Thor help her take down the ship. Would have been nice to see the 2 most all round powerful characters work together and interact well.

 

[heatvision38]

I love Chris and I wish he had the better luck outside of MCU. He is so funny!

He has found a way to make me at least tear up in almost every movie he's done, even the Snow White and the Huntsman (don't know how he managed to do that, but there was a scene where he pulled it off). The beginning of Star Trek is one of the best openings to a movie I've ever seen and, though I didn't even know who he was at the time, Hemsworth broke my heart in that scene. He had a couple scenes in Thor that got me, as well as in TDW. He just has this way of both making you laugh and breaking your heart in the same moment, like even when he's being funny, just underneath that, you can sense all the pain he is feeling. He is great at doing that.

 

[Limonade]

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Okay, fair enough on that first point, but it was still something they built up to. It didn't come randomly out of nowhere. Thor was a main character in the narrative of IW and his journey to get Stormbreaker was a big part of the plot. Whereas CM just randomly comes back from her unspecified busywork at the end. They should have made her a main character in the plot if they wanted her to have such an important role in the resolution.

Thanos was clearly outmatched without the infinity stones. Carol almost rips the gauntlet off and Thanos is unable to stop her until he blast her with the power stone.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." That's the incantation Odin puts on the hammer. He doesn't say "some of the power of Thor". There's no reason to think Cap weilding the hammer isn't as powerful as Thor was when he himself was weilding the hammer. And fat Thor was about as effective against no-gauntlet Thanos (he's not even strong enough to push Thanos back as he's about to stab him in the chest) whereas in IW he nearly killed completed-gauntlet Thanos with Stormbreaker. Fat Thor is a shadow of his IW self.

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Wasn't that the point in Avengers: Engame? That after 5 years since the Snap and Resolution of the events, Thor just ended up becoming a shadow of his former self? I mean, I don't see an issue here. It seems like you just dislike the position the Russo brothers put him in.

 

[Limonade]

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That's why I think it's important to make a distinction between this aspect of the movie for Thor (that is, his journey) and how he was used in the final battle. I liked much of what they did with Thor character-wise, but I was disappointed that by the end, he didn't really have any standout sequences in the battle, making up for how far he had fallen in the prior 5 years. Anytime it seemed like he would, it didn't really go anywhere. This is the last of this stage of movies, so it would have been nice to see Thor do something special, even if it was helping Captain Marvel take down Thanos' ship, just something standout.

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That's fair. However, I think there's more to the story for Thor. And he still has more opportunities to stand out more in the MCU. Now that he's joining the Guardians of the Galaxy. I mean he can't always be the standout in every movie he is in. That much is clear with a movie that is this large of scope and has a lot of things to tie up and new things to set up in 3 hours.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I was curious how Thor fans would feel about how he was used in this movie. Hemsworth seems to really like leaning into the humour after Ragnarok and the stuff with the Guardians in IW. In Endgame he's clearly riffing off the Dude, I found him pretty funny and he added some comic relief amongst the heavy stakes.

 

[heatvision38]

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Okay, fair enough on that first point, but it was still something they built up to. It didn't come randomly out of nowhere. Thor was a main character in the narrative of IW and his journey to get Stormbreaker was a big part of the plot. Whereas CM just randomly comes back from her unspecified busywork at the end. They should have made her a main character in the plot if they wanted her to have such an important role in the resolution.

Thanos was clearly outmatched without the infinity stones. Carol almost rips the gauntlet off and Thanos is unable to stop her until he blast her with the power stone.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." That's the incantation Odin puts on the hammer. He doesn't say "some of the power of Thor". There's no reason to think Cap weilding the hammer isn't as powerful as Thor was when he himself was weilding the hammer. And fat Thor was about as effective against no-gauntlet Thanos (he's not even strong enough to push Thanos back as he's about to stab him in the chest) whereas in IW he nearly killed completed-gauntlet Thanos with Stormbreaker. Fat Thor is a shadow of his IW self.

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I think this is part of my frustration with Thor's role in the climax. They made a big deal of how important getting the godkilling weapon was for Thor, yet in the end, it doesn't really play a role in EG. When rewatching movies, these are the kind of things that stick out. If a subplot is later dropped or there isn't the payoff that warrants the time spent on developing it, then it feels more unwarranted on repeat viewings. I just thought they could have come up with a better idea (or at least some idea) for how Stormbreaker plays a role in the climax.

 

[Travesty]

I'll just say without spoilers, I absolutely hated what they did with Thor in Endgame.

Just terrible.

 

[heatvision38]

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That's fair. However, I think there's more to the story for Thor. And he still has more opportunities to stand out more in the MCU. Now that he's joining the Guardians of the Galaxy. I mean he can't always be the standout in every movie he is in. That much is clear with a movie that is this large of scope and has a lot of things to tie up and new things to set up in 3 hours.

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I'm not saying HE has to be the standout, but that he has a standout moment. Yes, he might have more movies in the future, but this movie was the culmination of all that came before. What storyline is going to be as big as this one? If not now, when? Each of the OG Avengers got something significant to do. Even Captain Marvel, who just joined the MCU a couple of months ago had a huge moment. Hulk snapped everyone back and was a key part of leading the group. Natasha's sacrifice was a pivotal part of the movie (that's the moment that was hardest to watch, especially when we see her on the ground from above, lifeless). Clint retrieved the gauntlet after the explosion and was able to play keep away until he got help. Cap and Tony obviously had their moments. Scarlet Witch, though not OG, is as close as you can to it at this point, had a great scene. I felt Thor was shortchanged in this area. Put another way, had he not been in this movie, what really would have changed? It didn't seem Rocket really needed him to get the aether in the end. I guess we can say Cap got to use Mjolnir, but that's more about an object than it is Thor. So just something for Thor to do that only he or few others could do. It seemed like they gave some of his moments to Captain Marvel, and since Captain Marvel was barely in the movie whereas Thor was one of the OG 6, it seemed strange to me.

 

[HammerDown]

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Okay, fair enough on that first point, but it was still something they built up to. It didn't come randomly out of nowhere. Thor was a main character in the narrative of IW and his journey to get Stormbreaker was a big part of the plot. Whereas CM just randomly comes back from her unspecified busywork at the end. They should have made her a main character in the plot if they wanted her to have such an important role in the resolution.

Thanos was clearly outmatched without the infinity stones. Carol almost rips the gauntlet off and Thanos is unable to stop her until he blast her with the power stone.

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." That's the incantation Odin puts on the hammer. He doesn't say "some of the power of Thor". There's no reason to think Cap weilding the hammer isn't as powerful as Thor was when he himself was weilding the hammer. And fat Thor was about as effective against no-gauntlet Thanos (he's not even strong enough to push Thanos back as he's about to stab him in the chest) whereas in IW he nearly killed completed-gauntlet Thanos with Stormbreaker. Fat Thor is a shadow of his IW self.

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Picking Mjolnir might give Cap the "power of Thor", namely the control of lighting, wielding a powerful weapon... but Cap still doesn't have nowhere near the physical strength, durability... that Thor has. It's just a void comparison. Cap is a human wielding a magical weapon. Thor is an asgardian god.

How is an out of shape Thor suppose to push Thanos back when he's laying on the ground with Thanos thrusting Stormbreaker into Thor's chest... Interestingly enough there's another scene in which Thor, in beast mode and wielding both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir is clearly putting Thanos in a bad spot by pushing both weapons into him. I guess you forgot that part.

He nearly took out Thanos in IW because he caught him baby surprise with Stormbreaker. I do agree that Thor is a shadow of his IW self though.

 

[Drizzle]

So let's recap:

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Iron Man saved the universe by sacrificing his life.
Captain America lifted Mjolnir and led an army of Avengers into battle.
Black Widow sacrificed herself to complete the mission to find the stones.
Hulk wielded the Gauntlet to bring back all of the snap victims.
Thor yelled at a kid on Fortnite.

 

[samsnee]

You guys are being very dramatic.

Thor’s arc in this movie is about setting himself on the path of who he wants to be, not what is expected of him.

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He’s depressed because he believed he failed what was expected of him

He basically said that himself at one point. The expectation is he supposed to be this wise powerful king of Asgard that calls upon the lightning to smite his foes. But I actually like that they aren’t going that predictable route.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Hemsworth is so great in the role. I personally love thor in this movie. #stopfatshaming

 

[Jaiden Edo]

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Fat Thor vs Thanos was just silly, I mean come on now. I was expecting Thor to become fit again after the talk with his mother and then regaining Mjolnir.

 

[Luigi]

Chris was obviously having a blast in Endgame. The "reunion" was a nice touch as well.

 

[antsman41]

Yeah... this is his best. And, this film ended up making his weakest film better.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

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Picking Mjolnir might give Cap the "power of Thor", namely the control of lighting, wielding a powerful weapon... but Cap still doesn't have nowhere near the physical strength, durability... that Thor has. It's just a void comparison. Cap is a human wielding a magical weapon. Thor is an asgardian god.

How is an out of shape Thor suppose to push Thanos back when he's laying on the ground with Thanos thrusting Stormbreaker into Thor's chest... Interestingly enough there's another scene in which Thor, in beast mode and wielding both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir is clearly putting Thanos in a bad spot by pushing both weapons into him. I guess you forgot that part.

He nearly took out Thanos in IW because he caught him baby surprise with Stormbreaker. I do agree that Thor is a shadow of his IW self though.

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How do you know this? Cap seemed very durable when fighting Thanos. Also, the incantation doesn't say "the abilities" of Thor, Odin specifically says "the power of Thor". He made it so anyone who weilded the hammer would have the power that Thor had, it was basically Odin's way of saying to Thor "I'll give this power to ANYONE who proves themselves worthy, because obviously you aren't". Remember how Thor was at normal human strength in the first Thor movie before he became worthy to weild the hammer? The hammer gave him all of his power back, so there's no reason it couldn't give all of his power to any other person who was worthy.

I actually don't remember a part where Thor nearly kills Thanos in EG. I'll be watching the movie again tomorrow, so I'll watch for it this time.

It doesn't sound like we really disagree that much here, just in terms of exactly how weak fat Thor got. But my main point was telling the other poster that Thor isn't as formidable as he was at the end of IW. Honestly I think EG is better (at least for Thor and Hulk fans) if you go into it knowing two things, so you can temper expectations: Thor isn't as mighty as he once was and Hulk doesn't have an on-screen fight.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

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I think this is part of my frustration with Thor's role in the climax. They made a big deal of how important getting the godkilling weapon was for Thor, yet in the end, it doesn't really play a role in EG. When rewatching movies, these are the kind of things that stick out. If a subplot is later dropped or there isn't the payoff that warrants the time spent on developing it, then it feels more unwarranted on repeat viewings. I just thought they could have come up with a better idea (or at least some idea) for how Stormbreaker plays a role in the climax.

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I agree. The main benefit of Stormbreaker's existence in EG was that is allowed for Thor to have different weapon from Cap in the final battle (and thus fight alongside him, rather than have him be knocked out so Cap can use Mjolnir). Which was definitey cool, but not really enough of a payoff.

They should have had the destruction of Thanos's warship be more of a team effort, with Thor using Stormbreaker in some instrumental way, Professor Hulk using his combined strength and intellect, Ant-man and Wasp shrinking down to go inside, Spider-man gunking stuff up with web, etc.

 

[Iceman]

So let's recap:

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Iron Man saved the universe by sacrificing his life.
Captain America lifted Mjolnir and led an army of Avengers into battle.
Black Widow sacrificed herself to complete the mission to find the stones.
Hulk wielded the Gauntlet to bring back all of the snap victims.
Thor yelled at a kid on Fortnite.

Well when you put it like that ..

 

[Fimbulwinter]

You guys are being very dramatic.

Thor’s arc in this movie is about setting himself on the path of who he wants to be, not what is expected of him.

Spoiler

He’s depressed because he believed he failed what was expected of him

He basically said that himself at one point. The expectation is he supposed to be this wise powerful king of Asgard that calls upon the lightning to smite his foes. But I actually like that they aren’t going that predictable route.

But that's who Thor is. He is a mighty smiter and heir to Asgard's throne. Change that and it's not Thor anymore. Not for me. Unless I'm missing the run in my comic collection where Thor turned into

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Jeff Lebowski.

I probably wouldn't have disliked it as much if they hadn't made such strides with him in Infinity War.I also would have given it a pass if

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there were any kind of payoff with Thor getting his proverbial stuff together by the end of the movie and kicking some ass. He was comic relief the entire movie after the time-skip. He was quipping mid-fight with Thanos, for crying out loud. The issues I have with Thor in endgame are very similar to the issues I had with Hulk in Infinity War. The arc is set for Hulk to have a big comeback moment in wakanda and it never happens.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate the movie, not even close, but I didn't like the majority of what they did with Thor.

 

[harlequinade]

He has found a way to make me at least tear up in almost every movie he's done, even the Snow White and the Huntsman (don't know how he managed to do that, but there was a scene where he pulled it off). The beginning of Star Trek is one of the best openings to a movie I've ever seen and, though I didn't even know who he was at the time, Hemsworth broke my heart in that scene. He had a couple scenes in Thor that got me, as well as in TDW. He just has this way of both making you laugh and breaking your heart in the same moment, like even when he's being funny, just underneath that, you can sense all the pain he is feeling. He is great at doing that.

I think it's in large part that he was so easily likable. There's something so sweet and admirable about a guy who doesn't take himself seriously and isn't afraid to be in goofy moments, it makes him and Rudd so much fun to watch

 

[Manasrepublic]

Didn’t like thor’s arc in this much at all. No shining moments. Got his ass kicked around. Was pretty disappointing. No major kick ass moments. I guess they were giving everyone else a chance to shine

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

There will be a Thor 4 right ? If they leave Thor like that I'm gonna be pissed off

 

[BigThor]

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How do you know this? Cap seemed very durable when fighting Thanos. Also, the incantation doesn't say "the abilities" of Thor, Odin specifically says "the power of Thor". He made it so anyone who weilded the hammer would have the power that Thor had, it was basically Odin's way of saying to Thor "I'll give this power to ANYONE who proves themselves worthy, because obviously you aren't". Remember how Thor was at normal human strength in the first Thor movie before he became worthy to weild the hammer? The hammer gave him all of his power back, so there's no reason it couldn't give all of his power to any other person who was worthy.

I actually don't remember a part where Thor nearly kills Thanos in EG. I'll be watching the movie again tomorrow, so I'll watch for it this time.

It doesn't sound like we really disagree that much here, just in terms of exactly how weak fat Thor got. But my main point was telling the other poster that Thor isn't as formidable as he was at the end of IW. Honestly I think EG is better (at least for Thor and Hulk fans) if you go into it knowing two things, so you can temper expectations: Thor isn't as mighty as he once was and Hulk doesn't have an on-screen fight.

It helped me tremendously, if I would've seen Endgame without knowing about the direction they took Thor I would've been ENRAGED.