Endgame Thor/God of Thunder - Chris Hemsworth

[Herolee10]

Between having him sacrifice himself in AEG or him having future adventures in the MCU I’ll choose the second option, any day of the week...

Some people not knowing how Marvel could “redeem” the character after AEG is plain stupidity. The table is set once again for the character to have a strong comeback. I mean come on now, stop whining... it’s not that difficult to make things turn around for the better.

The short sightedness for some is just sad and unbearable. Thor is now basically the only OG avenger left on the table and with even more movies and adventures his future sacrifice will have to be handled very well because the character will have been the remainder corner stone of the MCU but also the linchpin between the old and new.

At this point in time Thor is no less than the most important character in the MCU moving forward. The most layered, the one with the biggest history...

But what would be the point of it all? Are we gonna see Thor make a comeback again like he did in "Ragnarok" only for him to go through another character assassination like in "Endgame"?

And even though Thor may potentially have more stories to tell, keep in mins that "Endgame" was still supposed to serve as a finale for the Infinity Saga. There was no sense of closure to Thor's role and he bowed out as a failure. If everyone's defense to Thor's portrayal in "Endgame" is because he has more stories to tell then that is a poor excuse. I really doubt that Marvel will ever be able to reproduce the level of success and hype that "Endgame" achieved and to think that Thor will be cemented in that historic film as a fat failure is depressing.

Why should people care or invest in a character that always loses? That will never win the big one? At this point in time, we have the likes of Ant-Man and Hawkeye who did more in saving the universe than Thor did. It cannot really be stressed enough on how much of a failure he is.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Seeing as we learned Hemsworth signed a contract extension WAY back in 2017... No. AEG was never meant to serve as closure for Thor. And I remembeer Cap getting beat the crap out of by Thanos as well. Right before the on your left moment as well as right before Tony tussles to get the stones... Is he a "failure" too?

Honestly... If a person has this type of hard and fast judgement for characters in fiction where the stakes are truly low to nil (Because... It's all fiction. Can we agree on this? Cuz... People are acting like it's not it seems when it comes to these movies around here more and more...) then I would hate to be anything less than absolutely perfect in all ways in the real world because apparently even when you go come out of a depression after years of bitter self recriminations, travel through time to collect dangerous items, volunteer to subject yourself to to the power capable of "wiping out a continent" which is assured to either maim or killyou and then go toe to toe multiple times with a would be new Dark God of creation...

Do all that?

Failure brah. That's the lesson it seems some around here are CHOOSING to take away.

It all sounds rather superficial and silly.

And I'm one that thought they did fumble by using Thor for too much comedy which overshadowed his dramatic material. Still... Lots are just being SO hyperbolic I can't take them seriously.

 

[Zarex]

Maybe Marvel should release an "All Awesome!" version of the Infinity War/ Endgame two parter comprised of nothing but kewl power displays. Edit out all of the failure, character development and vulnerability. For the REAL fans!

Thor turning the tide of battle in Wakanda? Yeah, brah!

Thor having a final, heartbreaking heart-to-heart with his doomed mother after falling into depression? No way, dude!

 

[HammerDown]

But what would be the point of it all? Are we gonna see Thor make a comeback again like he did in "Ragnarok" only for him to go through another character assassination like in "Endgame"?

And even though Thor may potentially have more stories to tell, keep in mins that "Endgame" was still supposed to serve as a finale for the Infinity Saga. There was no sense of closure to Thor's role and he bowed out as a failure. If everyone's defense to Thor's portrayal in "Endgame" is because he has more stories to tell then that is a poor excuse. I really doubt that Marvel will ever be able to reproduce the level of success and hype that "Endgame" achieved and to think that Thor will be cemented in that historic film as a fat failure is depressing.

Why should people care or invest in a character that always loses? That will never win the big one? At this point in time, we have the likes of Ant-Man and Hawkeye who did more in saving the universe than Thor did. It cannot really be stressed enough on how much of a failure he is.

You're like a broken record dude. "Character assassination"... You're totally on one/your end of the spectrum.

Thor does have more stories to tell. The Infinity Saga's finale isn't Thor's finale hence not really needing to have closure to the character. Thor didn't bowed out as a failure. Even emotional scared and grossly out of shape he eventually came back and fought with everything he had right beside his friends. You can doubt whatever you want, but Marvel has constantly proved they can outdo themselves and it's just a matter of time until that happens again. Thanos is not even close to being hailed has the be all and end all of things. There are bigger fish to fry.

Thor got his ultimate showing in IW where he was largely hailed as the movie's MVP alongside Thanos. Some people have short time memory and tend to totally disregard what has come before just because the immediate present isn't exactly what they want.

Thor's character is inherently a Deus Ex-Machina kind of character and i'm of the opinion that he could and should be much more than that. A layered, flawed and endearing character always have people invested in them. They are more human like and relatable.

You're assessment of Thor's role in the two part finale of the Infinity Saga is the failure.

 

[Flint Marko]

It cannot really be stressed enough on how much of a failure he is.

It’s almost like you missed the entire point of his arc in End Game.

 

[Abudefduf]

Just like Russos missed the entire point of his arc in Ragnarok.

Herolee is far from being the only person disappointed with Endgame Thor. Based on what I've seen, his treatment is probably the most controversial aspect of the movie, along with Black Widow's death.

But nope, people just didn't "get it". His arc was simply 2deep4us.

 

[Zarex]

I completely understand folks wanting the illusion of change rather than real change out of big screen versions of their comic characters. After all, that's what we get in the print versions. You can pick up a comic from the 70s and one released from last week and the characters will be (mostly) unchanged.

But I think movie goers would eventually be bored with that on the big screen. I know I would. I want to see my favorite characters go through some sh*t and come out changed on the other side.

While he was somewhat lacking in overt power displays in Endgame, I thought Thor was handled beautifully in this one. And Hemsworth really acted the crap out of scenes involving Thanos' initial death, his mom, and the nano gauntlet. Personally, I can't wait to see what happens next for him in the MCU.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I completely understand folks wanting the illusion of change rather than real change out of big screen versions of their comic characters. After all, that's what we get in the print versions. You can pick up a comic from the 70s and one released from last week and the characters will be (mostly) unchanged.

But I think movie goers would eventually be bored with that on the big screen. I know I would. I want to see my favorite characters go through some sh*t and come out changed on the other side.

While he was somewhat lacking in overt power displays in Endgame, I thought Thor was handled beautifully in this one. And Hemsworth really acted the crap out of scenes involving Thanos' initial death, his mom, and the nano gauntlet. Personally, I can't wait to see what happens next for him in the MCU.

Yet he could've been handled better if the Russo's weren't so stubborn about his "change" within the film. This is after all a comic book movie and would it have been such a chore to show his arc move from the drunken joke-ridden Lebowski back to the Thor "God of Thunder"? Couldn't rhey have bent the rules a little with some Asgardian enchantment? Dude literally can power up with full chainscale armor using lightening.

I understand that the "Superman Effect" can get a bit boring and they're trying to make the character feel relatable. It's just that it comes off as though they were hiding him more than they were giving him an arc. Especially since during that Big 3 vs. Thanos battle he contributed next to nothing other than getting kicked around and delivering a punchline ("I knew it") for Cap's big Moljnir moment. He then largely disappeared into the big CGI orgy battle.

As a massive fan of the character that's a hard pill to swallow in a movie that was ending a 10 year build up. Just is.

 

[Herolee10]

Yet he could've been handled better if the Russo's weren't so stubborn about his "change" within the film. This is after all a comic book movie and would it have been such a chore to show his arc move from the drunken joke-ridden Lebowski back to the Thor "God of Thunder"? Couldn't rhey have bent the rules a little with some Asgardian enchantment? Dude literally can power up with full chainscale armor using lightening.

I understand that the "Superman Effect" can get a bit boring and they're trying to make the character feel relatable. It's just that it comes off as though they were hiding him more than they were giving him an arc. Especially since during that Big 3 vs. Thanos battle he contributed next to nothing other than getting kicked around and delivering a punchline ("I knew it") for Cap's big Moljnir moment. He then largely disappeared into the big CGI orgy battle.

As a massive fan of the character that's a hard pill to swallow in a movie that was ending a 10 year build up. Just is.

Just like Russos missed the entire point of his arc in Ragnarok.

Herolee is far from being the only person disappointed with Endgame Thor. Based on what I've seen, his treatment is probably the most controversial aspect of the movie, along with Black Widow's death.

But nope, people just didn't "get it". His arc was simply 2deep4us.

I completely agree with you guys on this.

Honestly, if the goal was to portray Thor as a tragic character who had fallen to an all time low due to his failure to stop Thanos then the Russos did a terrible job in doing so.

Thor's added weight and new behavior was played for laughs nearly the entire time that he had been on film. I could not find myself to feel sorry for the guy when a joke was being made about him every time he showed up on screen.

If they wanted to properly convey Thor's tragedy then they should have taken a page from how Professor X was used in "Logan".

Everyone says that I sound like a broken record yet no one here can seemingly come up with a better excuse to justify Thor's poor portrayal here other than him having more stories to tell. Thor did not need to be the MVP in Endgame like he had been in IW but there are so many better ways that I/several others can think of how his character could/should have been handled than what we eventually got.

 

[Mysterious]

I completely agree with you guys on this.

Honestly, if the goal was to portray Thor as a tragic character who had fallen to an all time low due to his failure to stop Thanos then the Russos did a terrible job in doing so.

Thor's added weight and new behavior was played for laughs nearly the entire time that he had been on film. I could not find myself to feel sorry for the guy when a joke was being made about him every time he showed up on screen.

If they wanted to properly convey Thor's tragedy then they should have taken a page from how Professor X was used in "Logan".

Everyone says that I sound like a broken record yet no one here can seemingly come up with a better excuse to justify Thor's poor portrayal here other than him having more stories to tell. Thor did not need to be the MVP in Endgame like he had been in IW but there are so many better ways that I/several others can think of how his character could/should have been handled than what we eventually got.

Yeah he couldve had a road to recovery then later showed great feats in the final Thanos battle that's it so simple.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Yeah he covered had a road to recovery then showed great feats in the final Thanos battle that's it so simple.

What feats? Let's recount his participation (in no particular order):

- He charges Thanos a couple of times only to find Thanos pushing back at him (literally crouches next to him in the opening sequence of that fight)
- He powers up Iron Man's blasters
- He gets beaten down against the rubble 2-3 times
- Thanos is beating Thor's face in then manages to somehow catch Stormbreaker and lodge it closely to Thor's chest
- He gets kicked out of the frame once Cap wields Mjolnir
- He and Cap together try to pull the Gauntlet off Thanos, but got tossed again

There was NEVER a moment like the one Cap got when he was holding his own with the hammer. Cap did all of the things Thor should've been doing. Don't get me wrong, Cap needed something to be able to take part in that fight. Instead of giving both of them that moment, it was preferential treatment to Cap.

 

[zephyrinthesky]

People are mad at Thor surviving to get more stories? Spare a thought for Black Widow fans, will ya?

 

[JtheDreamer]

People are mad at Thor surviving to get more stories? Spare a thought for Black Widow fans, will ya?

Nobody said that.

 

[Mysterious]

What feats? Let's recount his participation (in no particular order):

- He charges Thanos a couple of times only to find Thanos pushing back at him (literally crouches next to him in the opening sequence of that fight)
- He powers up Iron Man's blasters
- He gets beaten down against the rubble 2-3 times
- Thanos is beating Thor's face in then manages to somehow catch Stormbreaker and lodge it closely to Thor's chest
- He gets kicked out of the frame once Cap wields Mjolnir
- He and Cap together try to pull the Gauntlet off Thanos, but got tossed again

There was NEVER a moment like the one Cap got when he was holding his own with the hammer. Cap did all of the things Thor should've been doing. Don't get me wrong, Cap needed something to be able to take part in that fight. Instead of giving both of them that moment, it was preferential treatment to Cap.

Typo man I meant he could've had great feats

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Nobody said that.

That's pretty much what heroLee has stated.

 

[tek]

the polarity continues. ha ha. what an interesting character. Before all this started most thought the chances of a movie character Thor being an success as remote. What a long way he has come. 7 movies he has been in, SEVEN! UNBELIEVABLE! Yet there maybe more to come. Thor/Hemsworth could be a good shot at being in 10 movies. Think about that. TEN MOVIES! That is remarkable . Can he outlast everybody? who would have thought that? Surely all fans of this character would have to be satisfied with that, even satiated for the odd few? Rejoice!

 

[Zarex]

What feats? Let's recount his participation (in no particular order):

- He charges Thanos a couple of times only to find Thanos pushing back at him (literally crouches next to him in the opening sequence of that fight)
- He powers up Iron Man's blasters
- He gets beaten down against the rubble 2-3 times
- Thanos is beating Thor's face in then manages to somehow catch Stormbreaker and lodge it closely to Thor's chest
- He gets kicked out of the frame once Cap wields Mjolnir
- He and Cap together try to pull the Gauntlet off Thanos, but got tossed again

There was NEVER a moment like the one Cap got when he was holding his own with the hammer. Cap did all of the things Thor should've been doing. Don't get me wrong, Cap needed something to be able to take part in that fight. Instead of giving both of them that moment, it was preferential treatment to Cap.

But it makes sense that Cap (and Tony) would have a bigger spotlight in the Endgame battle given that this would be their final MCU appearances. It would have been odd if they didn't.

And what Thor accomplished in the battle may not have looked "cool". But taking that kind of punishment from a space god - the kind the knocked Peak Hulk the frick out - and then dusting himself off to join the front line was, to me, damn impressive. He may not be the strongest, but there's no doubt Odinson is the toughest Avenger.

 

[Cobblepot]

WTH..did they do to Thor! I saw the movie yesterday and I can't shake the feeling that Thor's role was dumbed down solely for laughs and for the feminist movement. Even his own mother made fun if him with "eat a salad' pun. This is clearly a man suffering from PTSD and nobody seems to care. He should just 'man up'. Can't imagine any Thor fan finding this okay and something that finishes his arc in a decent way.

 

[Zarex]

What the heck did Thor's role have to do with "the feminist movement"?

Any parent would tell you that Frigga DID care. That was clearly evident to anyone paying attention. And telling her son to have a salad was showing concern about his diet and not in any way, shape or form an insult.

If you were unhappy about the end to Thor's arc, there's good news! His arc isn't finished!

 

[JtheDreamer]

But it makes sense that Cap (and Tony) would have a bigger spotlight in the Endgame battle given that this would be their final MCU appearances. It would have been odd if they didn't.

And what Thor accomplished in the battle may not have looked "cool". But taking that kind of punishment from a space god - the kind the knocked Peak Hulk the frick out - and then dusting himself off to join the front line was, to me, damn impressive. He may not be the strongest, but there's no doubt Odinson is the toughest Avenger.

You can have "bigger" spotlights for those characters without marginalizing Thor. His durability seems to be a crutch with the writers.

 

[Iceman]

the polarity continues. ha ha. what an interesting character. Before all this started most thought the chances of a movie character Thor being an success as remote. What a long way he has come. 7 movies he has been in, SEVEN! UNBELIEVABLE! Yet there maybe more to come. Thor/Hemsworth could be a good shot at being in 10 movies. Think about that. TEN MOVIES! That is remarkable . Can he outlast everybody? who would have thought that? Surely all fans of this character would have to be satisfied with that, even satiated for the odd few? Rejoice!

I’m glad that he looks to have a future in the MCU and I will forever be grateful for Ragnarok and IW.

 

[Herolee10]

It’s almost like you missed the entire point of his arc in End Game.

If you dont mind me asking, what do you think Thor's arc was in EG? I just cannot see a beginning or an end to this so called arc that he had in the film.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Spider-Fan]

If you dont mind me asking, what do you think Thor's arc was in EG? I just cannot see a beginning or an end to this so called arc that he had in the film.

Thor's arc is very easily spelled out by Frigga: accept the person you are, not the one you're supposed to be. Thor was born and bred to be a king and the mightiest warrior almost like a race horse. He never was in a war he didn't inevitably win, until Thanos. When he tried to rub his victory in the face of Thanos, like he has all his life, half the universe died and there was not a way they could see to fix it. Thor may have beheaded Thanos, but it did nothing to change his defeat. So then he spirals into a massive depression, stops caring about his responsibilities and sinks deeper and deeper. By the time we see him in Endgame, he is so far gone, he cannot even muster contributing in the mission to get the Aether, Then he talks to his mother, who once again teaches him a valuable life lesson which he carries with him for the remainder of the film. But this experience taught Thor he is not right to lead his people since he was an absentee king, so he is going with the Guardians to rediscover himself. Makes perfect, logical sense to me.

As for why didn't he get buff when he called Stormbreaker and Mjolnir, I agree with the writers. Thor is supposed to grow more comfortable in his OWN skin. Whether that be muscular adonis or lebowski Thor, it shouldn't matter. He is who he is. So I like that they didn't magically "fix" his physique. Granted, Thor with a new purpose can maybe train between movies and be in better shape now, but if Thor is still closer to Lebowski Thor, I am okay with that, too.

 

[Bren]

His arc was to learn to accept who he was. A big hearted courageous loser.
Basically.

Thor fans rejoice.