Age of Ultron Thor should be more powerful!!

[The Chris]

^^ warriorking: I think the current rumor is that Thor and Jane arent together in AOU but she shows up at the post HYDRA battle celebration at Avengers Tower with the dude that she dated in TDW and THOR is in Ex-boyfriend mode. Im not sure if that makes sense though because Thor went to Earth to be with Jane, so thats either untrue or theres been some big trouble in their relationship since we last saw em. Also why would Jane show up if her and Thor arent together? we'll see if it happens.

Oh man thats gonna make people dislike her even more if true. Plus why would you bring your new dude to a celebration for the avengers. Why would you dump thor for that guy anyway (sorry chris o'dowd). Should have followed dad's advice and went for Sif bro!

 

[Quasimod0]

Crappy news if that bit about them breaking up is true. They JUST got reunited at the end of his last film.

 

[CoherentChaos]

I def think THOR held back on Iron Man due to his newfound code of ethics/honor (wreckless THOR from the beginning of the 1st solo film wouldve probably killed him) and that the extra power he got from Thors lightning blast was mainly why he sorta kept up with him.

When Thor went off on Cap, he was sure lucky the shield didnt bust. I think Cap wouldve been a red white and blue meat waffle otherwise.

Thor's attack on Cap is perhaps the only problem I have with that scene.

IM was appropriately ineffective against a Thor that was holding back (but still got some pretty sweet shots off, so it wasn't a complete curbstomp). Hell, I think the gauntlet squeezing was 'gentle' and cautious compared to what he could have done to Tony's arms, ie rip them straight off.

But then just as Cap gets involved, Thor decides to do a full Mjolnir swing at Iron Man (which he was lucky to survive) and then does a leaping attack that apparently exerted enough force to level part of a forest. So far he's only known humans to be frail. And unless he's got some sort of Thor vision that identifies metal types (and he's aware of Vibranium), then he could have assumed that Cap's shield would have crumpled just as easily as Tony's armor. But all the same, he exerts that sort of force against Cap, which to me tells that he would have been fine if Cap died.

I guess he was momentarily relapsing to his reckless personality? I dunno.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Thor's attack on Cap is perhaps the only problem I have with that scene.

IM was appropriately ineffective against a Thor that was holding back (but still got some pretty sweet shots off, so it wasn't a complete curbstomp). Hell, I think the gauntlet squeezing was 'gentle' and cautious compared to what he could have done to Tony's arms, ie rip them straight off.

But then just as Cap gets involved, Thor decides to do a full Mjolnir swing at Iron Man (which he was lucky to survive) and then does a leaping attack that apparently exerted enough force to level part of a forest. So far he's only known humans to be frail. And unless he's got some sort of Thor vision that identifies metal types (and he's aware of Vibranium), then he could have assumed that Cap's shield would have crumpled just as easily as Tony's armor. But all the same, he exerts that sort of force against Cap, which to me tells that he would have been fine if Cap died.

I guess he was momentarily relapsing to his reckless personality? I dunno.

Ya, theoretically that attack would've squashed a human like a bug .... so it does go against part of the evolution of his character. It occurred to me while I was watching it and I was able to just accept it ..... I hated the way he jumped though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thor's attack on Cap is perhaps the only problem I have with that scene.

IM was appropriately ineffective against a Thor that was holding back (but still got some pretty sweet shots off, so it wasn't a complete curbstomp). Hell, I think the gauntlet squeezing was 'gentle' and cautious compared to what he could have done to Tony's arms, ie rip them straight off.

But then just as Cap gets involved, Thor decides to do a full Mjolnir swing at Iron Man (which he was lucky to survive) and then does a leaping attack that apparently exerted enough force to level part of a forest. So far he's only known humans to be frail. And unless he's got some sort of Thor vision that identifies metal types (and he's aware of Vibranium), then he could have assumed that Cap's shield would have crumpled just as easily as Tony's armor. But all the same, he exerts that sort of force against Cap, which to me tells that he would have been fine if Cap died.

I guess he was momentarily relapsing to his reckless personality? I dunno.

I always just thought that by that point he was really pissed off and had had enough. He still had Loki to deal with after all.

 

[jaqua99]

Kurse was so underwhelming in TDW, but again, Thor's yet to be shown as a truly Hulk level powerhouse either.

I do disagree though that the A1 Iron Man fight did Thor any disservice. It's actually my ideal in some ways. Iron Man is a powerful character in his own right, and should be able to hang with Thor for a bit at the start of a fight. But eventually, unless Tony has a hell of a plan, Thor's going to crush him with the hammer or peel it off of him like opening a can of sardines, and to me the A1 fight was going to go that way.

Ya, theoretically that attack would've squashed a human like a bug .... so it does go against part of the evolution of his character. It occurred to me while I was watching it and I was able to just accept it ..... I hated the way he jumped though.

I always just thought that by that point he was really pissed off and had had enough. He still had Loki to deal with after all.

This. All of this. I mean, they made Thor and IM fight evenly but they made it very clear who was superior.

When Thor had enough, and he wound up and hit Iron man hard with the hammer, like he did against Hulk, Iron man went flying. And the struggled to get to his feat after that.

When looking at it, in terms of comparison feats, Thor has shown city size leveling power, and in Avengers, basically destroyed that section of the forest with just a hammer hit.

He's really been unrivaled in terms of level of power, and feats.
He's easily the most powerful hero of the MCU, that's established. It's just hard to show it.

For all intents and purposes, movie Thor, when using his hammer to strike, can hit just about as hard Hulk's fists. An angry movie Thor could definitely take it to Hulk for quite some time using his hammer. We saw what that upper cut did, and I think it's clear who would be moving faster, and the better fighter.

I don't think any characters introduced in the MCU, besides Kurse, and Gem wielding Malekith can handle Thor the way he was fighting at the beginning of the first movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This. All of this. I mean, they made Thor and IM fight evenly but they made it very clear who was superior.

When Thor had enough, and he wound up and hit Iron man hard with the hammer, like he did against Hulk, Iron man went flying. And the struggled to get to his feat after that.

When looking at it, in terms of comparison feats, Thor has shown city size leveling power, and in Avengers, basically destroyed that section of the forest with just a hammer hit.

He's really been unrivaled in terms of level of power, and feats.
He's easily the most powerful hero of the MCU, that's established. It's just hard to show it.

For all intents and purposes, movie Thor, when using his hammer to strike, can hit just about as hard Hulk's fists. An angry movie Thor could definitely take it to Hulk for quite some time using his hammer. We saw what that upper cut did, and I think it's clear who would be moving faster, and the better fighter.

I don't think any characters introduced in the MCU, besides Kurse, and Gem wielding Malekith can handle Thor the way he was fighting at the beginning of the first movie.

I agree with bolded about the Thor vs IM fight. The rest though I dont, I still think Hulk would be able to take him down even at his most reckless.

It was obvious from the Thor vs Hulk fight we had in the movie that the longer the fight went on the more Hulk was gaining control and getting the upper hand. Then of course the jet stepped in.

But in terms of feats Thor is definitely the strongest so far, though he has had 1 more movie than Hulk to do so. This all makes the Kurse fight even more disappointing to me, that should have been an epic brawl.

 

[Loki882]

Hulk vs. Thor is kind of tricky. The whole point of the Hulk is that fighting him is pretty much the WORST thing that you could possibly due. He gets stronger as he gets angrier, and getting bashed over the head a bunch of times tends to make one angry. So the longer the fight goes, the stronger he becomes. Plus, Marvel likes to push the whole "Hulk is strongest one there is" idea. I'd say that Thor has more VARIED powers and a deeper arsenal, Hulk is basically just pure strength. BTW, I did really like it that Whedon specifically showed the Hulk try and pick up the hammer and being unable to.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I agree with bolded about the Thor vs IM fight. The rest though I dont, I still think Hulk would be able to take him down even at his most reckless.

It was obvious from the Thor vs Hulk fight we had in the movie that the longer the fight went on the more Hulk was gaining control and getting the upper hand. Then of course the jet stepped in.

But in terms of feats Thor is definitely the strongest so far, though he has had 1 more movie than Hulk to do so. This all makes the Kurse fight even more disappointing to me, that should have been an epic brawl.

Thor wasn't fighting though. He was trying to subdue. That's a major distinction.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hulk vs. Thor is kind of tricky. The whole point of the Hulk is that fighting him is pretty much the WORST thing that you could possibly due. He gets stronger as he gets angrier, and getting bashed over the head a bunch of times tends to make one angry. So the longer the fight goes, the stronger he becomes. Plus, Marvel likes to push the whole "Hulk is strongest one there is" idea. I'd say that Thor has more VARIED powers and a deeper arsenal, Hulk is basically just pure strength.

Oh that I totally agree with, but with Hulk there is literally no limit to his strength, so either you put him down quick or you are in for some long-term pain.

Thor is no slouch though, and based solely on feats in the movies, he is the stronger of the two, at least in terms of overall power.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Why is everyone calling THOR a "demigod"? He is a full blown god, the son of two gods. He is a god.

Nothing demi about him.

This. All of this. I mean, they made Thor and IM fight evenly but they made it very clear who was superior.

When Thor had enough, and he wound up and hit Iron man hard with the hammer, like he did against Hulk, Iron man went flying. And the struggled to get to his feat after that.

When looking at it, in terms of comparison feats, Thor has shown city size leveling power, and in Avengers, basically destroyed that section of the forest with just a hammer hit.

He's really been unrivaled in terms of level of power, and feats.
He's easily the most powerful hero of the MCU, that's established. It's just hard to show it.

For all intents and purposes, movie Thor, when using his hammer to strike, can hit just about as hard Hulk's fists. An angry movie Thor could definitely take it to Hulk for quite some time using his hammer. We saw what that upper cut did, and I think it's clear who would be moving faster, and the better fighter.

I don't think any characters introduced in the MCU, besides Kurse, and Gem wielding Malekith can handle Thor the way he was fighting at the beginning of the first movie.

Amen.

He killed hundreds of Frost Giants in the first movie with one attack, and killed the huge Frost Monster with one attack, he killed two huge snake things and a dozen smaller ships in NYC with one attack, he took infinity gem attacks to the face and lived... and he one handed a downward punch from the hulk.

Hes by far more powerful than the hulk in the MCU. In their fight he was trying to subdue, and couldnt do anything super crazy or else he'd tear apart the ship and kill everyone.

I just wish with Kurse they would have explained how powerful he was, and why he was slapping THOR around.

Also, they've shown his speed sometimes. He was deflecting these laser chitari blasts while standing next to Cap Murica. And he was dodging all of hulks attacks when he wanted, and he dodged many of i-Mans.
THOR > Everyone else.

 

[metaphysician]

Basically, if Thor fights using his full set of abilities, he should win against Hulk, and not by a small margin. The problem he faced in the Helicarrier fight was that, one, he doesn't want to kill Banner, and two, he couldn't use his mobility or firepower without destroying the Helicarrier and killing everyone on board.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Why is everyone calling THOR a "demigod"? He is a full blown god, the son of two gods. He is a god.

Nothing demi about him.



Amen.

He killed hundreds of Frost Giants in the first movie with one attack, and killed the huge Frost Monster with one attack, he killed two huge snake things and a dozen smaller ships in NYC with one attack, he took infinity gem attacks to the face and lived... and he one handed a downward punch from the hulk.

Hes by far more powerful than the hulk in the MCU. In their fight he was trying to subdue, and couldnt do anything super crazy or else he'd tear apart the ship and kill everyone.

I just wish with Kurse they would have explained how powerful he was, and why he was slapping THOR around.

Also, they've shown his speed sometimes. He was deflecting these laser chitari blasts while standing next to Cap Murica. And he was dodging all of hulks attacks when he wanted, and he dodged many of i-Mans.
THOR > Everyone else.

Initially. Go back and watch it. He holds Hulk's fist with just one arm for about a second, but then struggles even as he adds strength from his second arm.

Oh, and while very small, Hulk gives Thor a slight nosebleed with what can be considered a basic punch. Yeah, I know, massive injury, however would one keep fighting with such a grievous mutilation :P ... but still, that's something Thor's epic Mjolnir uppercut apparently wasn't able to do to Hulk.

So with all due respect, I'd say MCU Thor is just not as strong as MCU Hulk, and I'm perfectly fine with Hulk having the upper-hand in straight up brawls.

Now, am I saying Hulk>>>>Thor? (I'm not that much of a Hulk fanboy, whom I admit is a rather annoying fanbase at times) Nah, I acknowledge that Thor is freaking powerful. But I'd be fine if the MCU keeps downplaying his strength in favor of crazy epic weather/lightning/Odinblast/being practically immortal stuff. To me that's more entertaining to watch Thor do anyways. Leave the crazy strength feats to the CGI wonderfest that is the big green guy and not Chris Hemsworth pantomiming tossing an oil tanker. It's... it's just not the same.

Besides, when it comes to team power dynamics, Hulk should be the strongest Avenger, no need for Thor to be intruding on that niche. That's kind of all the Hulk has.

Same reason why I don't want to see Thor inexplicably fly like Superman. I prefer him being dragged along by his hammer because it ensures that Iron Man has better aerial maneuverability (even though Mjolnir has some sick flight capabilities, as seen in Dark World). Which I see as his niche in combat situations.

But I do agree that Thor should have consistently good speed feats. Maybe MCU Thor doesn't need to speed blitz, but I'd like to see him engage multiple opponents with at least half the speed of MoS's Faora.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I just don't see MCU Thor as being presented as particularly powerful except in fits and starts. He's sometimes impressive, and then... Not so much others. Durable one scene, not so much the next. Definitely Super Strong, then not so much in others. And too often it's easy to see how the audience is confused that his physical power is dependent on the hammer. It was with the hammer that Thor smashed the ground, also with a lightning barrage at the same time on the Frost Giant world. It's not like he did it with his fist. Same for the Frost Beast. In the film it's clear he goes through hammer first when he smashes through it's skull. I'm sorry, I really think the handling of Thor's super powers in general has been done all that well or consistently in the MCU. I hope this is rectified in AoU.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

As much as a Thor fanboy I am, I agree with Coherent that Hulk should be stronger, his whole character would be diminished if he wasn't the strongest. Kind of like when they portray Superman to be as fast or faster than the Flash.

I would like to see more strength feats, but really I would like to see more aerial combat, cooler moves with Mjolnir like at the start of Thor and generally just more variety in his attacks.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Initially. Go back and watch it. He holds Hulk's fist with just one arm for about a second, but then struggles even as he adds strength from his second arm.

Oh, and while very small, Hulk gives Thor a slight nosebleed with what can be considered a basic punch. Yeah, I know, massive injury, however would one keep fighting with such a grievous mutilation :P ... but still, that's something Thor's epic Mjolnir uppercut apparently wasn't able to do to Hulk.

So with all due respect, I'd say MCU Thor is just not as strong as MCU Hulk, and I'm perfectly fine with Hulk having the upper-hand in straight up brawls.

Now, am I saying Hulk>>>>Thor? (I'm not that much of a Hulk fanboy, whom I admit is a rather annoying fanbase at times) Nah, I acknowledge that Thor is freaking powerful. But I'd be fine if the MCU keeps downplaying his strength in favor of crazy epic weather/lightning/Odinblast/being practically immortal stuff. To me that's more entertaining to watch Thor do anyways. Leave the crazy strength feats to the CGI wonderfest that is the big green guy and not Chris Hemsworth pantomiming tossing an oil tanker. It's... it's just not the same.

Besides, when it comes to team power dynamics, Hulk should be the strongest Avenger, no need for Thor to be intruding on that niche. That's kind of all the Hulk has.

Same reason why I don't want to see Thor inexplicably fly like Superman. I prefer him being dragged along by his hammer because it ensures that Iron Man has better aerial maneuverability (even though Mjolnir has some sick flight capabilities, as seen in Dark World). Which I see as his niche in combat situations.

But I do agree that Thor should have consistently good speed feats. Maybe MCU Thor doesn't need to speed blitz, but I'd like to see him engage multiple opponents with at least half the speed of MoS's Faora.

Couldnt agree more with all of this.

 

[metaphysician]

As an aside, my own read is that Thor is just as strong as Hulk, in terms of muscle performance. The difference is that the Hulk is about four times as big. If you shrunk the Hulk to the same size as Thor, they'd tie at arm wrestling.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Plus there is the fact that the madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets, that always gives him an advantage in terms of pure strength.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

Hulk may have a strength advantage, but that won't mean **** if Thor fought him for real. He was written to be a Hulk-buster (heh) from the start, and his several magic attacks, as well as insane durability, give him a solid edge on any situation. Unless it's a pure brawl with no other abilities allowed, he always wins.

It would take Hulk an ungodly amount of time to gather enough rage to beat Thor, and by then he'll be long defeated.

 

[ctsketch]

in Fear Itself he knocked an Asgardian hammer powered up Hulk out of orbit

 

[Tony Stark]

Why is everyone calling THOR a "demigod"? He is a full blown god, the son of two gods. He is a god.

Nothing demi about him.

Because there is more than one definition of a demigod, not just the one Rick Riordan chose to use to define children of one god and one mortal.

Tony is using it in the sense of someone who seems to be of divine nature.

 

[warriorking]

t: After seeing more film pics with Thor I am feeling quite optimistic that He is really going to shine in AOU...
Whedon this go round is going to show us a Thor we have all asked for....

 

[The Endless]

I agree that Hulk should have the monopoly on pure strength. That's the only thing he's got really.

That said, Thor should still rival him. But he shouldn't engage in a stand up slobber knocker with him.

Thor is more versatile, this should be shown in the movies. I'd like to see some more speed feats and less fighting on the ground.

 

[TheVision]

CC & Rock: The "Put The Hammer Down" scene always makes me laugh. You dont expect THOR to just smash his hammer on Cap like that. Esp since Cap is so calm. Hes like "Why dont you just put the hammer down and lets talk". THORs like: WHAT?!! ARRRRRRRRGH!! The only answer I can come up with is it showed that THOR still has a bit of his short temper left from before he was cast out of Asgard I guess. Maybe he was really sick of IM and Cap standing in his way.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

CC & Rock: The "Put The Hammer Down" scene always makes me laugh. You dont expect THOR to just smash his hammer on Cap like that. Esp since Cap is so calm. Hes like "Why dont you just put the hammer down and lets talk". THORs like: WHAT?!! ARRRRRRRRGH!! The only answer I can come up with is it showed that THOR still has a bit of his short temper left from before he was cast out of Asgard I guess. Maybe he was really sick of IM and Cap standing in his way.

To be fair, Thor had just smashed around Iron Man with his hammer, maybe he didn't think he would kill Cap.

In reality we know though it was just a way for Joss to get Mjolnir on shield action.