"Thrasher"

[Marcdachamp]

yep. he's in my top 3 hero list. so much untapped potential. he's the batman begins version of bruce wayne and they treat him like a 4th-stringer. i seriously want someone to save him from the New Warriors before that ship goes down.

Heh. Why don't you go warn people about the Titanic now?

 

[Muze]

Well, Runaways sort of explains why.

yeah but it doesn't explain places like Atlanta, Georgia being underrepresented.

 

[jaydawg]

Well, I'll credit that to the south sucks. Seriously, what supervillain would commit crimes there?

 

[deemar325]

Well, I'll credit that to the south sucks. Seriously, what supervillain would commit crimes there?

No more than the northen states, Detriot's no prize, San Fran is homo ground-zero, New York is over crowded and filthy, the New England states my god they have the most annoying accents, I could go on....the south has it's problems but so does every other state.

 

[Varient]

Whoa.

I just feel that Thrasher was a good idea as created,.... Marvel doesn't have a "Batman" they have around six characters who each have a part of what Batman is.

Nighthawk probably comes closest,....

 

[Dread]

I'd like to see Night-Thrasher return, especially if he dropped being "angry" and all that and found a better niche for himself. Marvel has a lot of characters that are lumped under "Batman clones", including Moon Knight, but that doesn't mean they can't be relaunched with new angles.

The problem is that Night-Thrasher tends to work better alongside a team than solo, at least to me. And the problem is the recent NEW WARRIORS mini is really not the ideal way to relaunch said team. But maybe he'll show up in MTU or something. I'd trust Kirkman to have fun with him.

 

[Varient]

That's the problem in my view with comics.

There are only so many "Super Powers" in a comic sense. Only so many sorts of Heroes.

In the begining,.. heroes each had on average three or four super powers apiece minimum wrapped around a concept or aspect. Amazon powered by the Gods, Hero based on speed and velocity, Techno hero, Straight out and out crimefighter with a grudge against the common criminal.

There is NOTHING new under the sun,... just new spins on old concepts.

Night Thrasher IS BATMAN YEAR ONE in the Marvel Universe. He is an oportunity to create a true Iconic hero in Marvel Style with the same mindset attributed to the Black Panther but on a purely crime-fighting mindset.

 

[Muze]

i was hoping that he would get some serious training (physical and 'spiritual') from King T'challa. Panther turned Kasper Cole around. imagine what he could do for Night Thrasher. that said, i sort of want to see Dwayne developed as a solo________(vigilante, hero,secret agent,or political agitator). the warriors need to grow on their own before they become a team again; apparently. as messed up as it sounds, i almost want to see a friendship form between Kyle Richmond (Defenders version) and Dwayne just so that Dwayne can eventually become the new Nighthawk. you'd be surprised at how much of a difference a change of name can make. i'm not talking about killing Kyle though. he would just get a new role in the marvel universe; maybe as the bankroll for a new superhero team. as for the "new" Warriors, i think they need Vance and Angel back; just for legitimacy. i could see Vance and Dwayne being to the Warriors what Captain America and Iron Man are to the Avengers. they'd be co-leaders this time. and less goofy adventures (and art) might help as well.

my (portrayed as adults) Warriors team would be...


Justice (shaken off his insecurities from being an Avenger & back to being a charismatic leader like his Guardians of the Galaxy counterpart.)
---
Nighthawk (co-leader, control freak, bankroll, and the brains [strategizing, hacking, playing their adversaries] of the team)
---
Firestar (the reasonable one who keeps Vance & Dwayne working together/the team's backbone)
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Nova (their version of Wolverine/laidback professional heavy-hitter)
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Kymaera (atlantean warrior masquerading as your typical college co-ed - i see as more of a party girl than Angel)
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and
Speedball (their version of Spiderman/comic relief; not because he's a bumbling doofus but because of his snappy banter - Robbie would start using his brain more as well)


note: i would definately add Turbo if she were available

 

[Varient]

I'd like to see Night-Thrasher return, especially if he dropped being "angry" and all that and found a better niche for himself. Marvel has a lot of characters that are lumped under "Batman clones", including Moon Knight, but that doesn't mean they can't be relaunched with new angles.

The problem is that Night-Thrasher tends to work better alongside a team than solo, at least to me. And the problem is the recent NEW WARRIORS mini is really not the ideal way to relaunch said team. But maybe he'll show up in MTU or something. I'd trust Kirkman to have fun with him.

I agree.

Night Thrasher Seems to work well with teams only because in my view he needs more training.

He needs to be grabbed and shown more from sumbody like Stark, Black Panther, or even, (Grumble) Captain America.
Then give him a goal or direction - Thrasher can drop off the superhero radar completly and becaome a serious issue with midrange crime levels.

 

[Anubis]

I'd like to see somebody take a stab at reinventing Rage. He's still only a kid, so he's pretty much a blank slate. He can change as a character, become more than the angry black kid stereo type he's been given over the years.

 

[KAD]

If you bring back Thrasher keep him as NT not some other hero


Rage had some pretty interesting traits that never really developed.

Theoretically he could be a powered down Capt. Marvel (The DC one) for Marvel

 

[Anubis]

A very powered down Capt. Marv, but I see your point.

 

[Dread]

Technically, Night-Thrasher is Rage's legal guardian; so anywhere Thrasher goes you could concievably bring Rage. Rage would need more of an overhual than Thrasher does, right down to the name. I mean, you can't escape the "massive angry black man" stereotype and have a name like "Rage". Maybe they should take a cue from some of the Capt. Marvel stuff in JSA; a teenager inside a massive adult body can bring it's share of life hassles, especially to those not in the know.

Thrasher's "tech-level" rose in the 90's to the point where he was basically a step below Iron Man and I am not sure that works for him. I almost hate to use the term "ninja", but it's hard to look at his original design and tell me that a "ninja" doesn't spring to mind. When I once was planning to redesign the New Warriors for an ULTIMATE NEW WARRIORS fan-fic, I pictured Dwayne Taylor/Night-Thrasher as not this "guy with multi-purpose armor" as what happened at times in the 90's, when he had compartments for everything, but more of a Casey Jones-level vigilante looking out for his neighborhood. The thing with Night-Thrasher, and a helluva lot of heroes for that matter, is they need to LEAVE NEW YORK. It's too crammed. GRAVITY was a series that made light of the fact that because NYC is the superhero nexus of Marvel, you could embark on a full-fledged superhero campaign, even toss a few rogues, and be utterly unrecognizable or unmemorable because there are too many fish in the pond.

I kind of see Night-Thrasher as not a Batman Lite (although, yes, he is simular to "Batman: Year One") but more as the Captain America to the New Warriors. That is, their human-level leader who relies on his own prowess and cunning to make himself distinct amung his demigod teammates, but unlike Batman can actually grow to trust them more; maybe like Nightwing, who is plenty popular. He needs to lose the skateboard, though; WAAYYYY too 90's and makes one imagine Rocket Racer.

I'd base the New Warriors in Chicago. Statistically the crime rate there is higher than in NYC right now and that is a good launching pad to have Thrasher and the team operate in other states, because I'd imagine that since there are few superhereoes that operate regularly between NYC and CA (hell, recent GAMBIT issues stated that the entire state of Louisiana is dependant on the protection of...Brother Voodoo), organized gangs of villians you "haven't seen for years" are actually having a field day organizing local mobs in areas most heroes rarely hit. Good place for Thrasher and the Warriors to continue their fight against "the threats that others don't touch."

I also think a good polar opposite for Thrasher would be Cardiac. Like the Magneto to Thrasher's more-aggressive Xavier.

 

[Anubis]

Great ideas Dread. Being from the chi, I can tell you, it pisses me off that heros only seem to operate in freakin new york. f**k new york. No offense Dread, but ever scince they cleaned the place up and got rid of all the peep shows in times square, the place just hasn't been the same.) Most of the writers don't even live there, they email most of their scripts in from where ever the hell they actually live. That ole, Marvel comics is based in New York so thats what they write about arguement is outdated and lame. Time to branch out some more. Why the hell Detroit doesn't have a hero I'll never know. That place is a f**king dump in serious need of some saving.

 

[Dread]

Technically didn't ROBOCOP operate in Detriot of the "near" future?

There are many writers who live in New York and it's likely just easier to research that place. But I agree, heroes should branch out and that would be a good place for the New Warriors and Thrasher to find their niche. As well as give an excuse to raid the old Handbooks looking for rogues and going, "No, they're not losers, they actually got smart, left New York, and stopped trying to take over the world in favor of organizing cities into crime districts and making illegal millions".

And that Cardiac/Thrasher thing is just a kick I've seemed to have in my head for years.

 

[jaydawg]

I always did like Cardiac. Good idea Dread. I have to agree on the Iron Man issue too. Ever read the IM issue where they teamed up? It just wants to make you roll your eyes. It wasnt a bad issue, but when you think about it, Marvel already has an underappriciated Iron Man called War Machine.

Sorry, if I pissed you off about that atlanta comment deemar. I'm from California myself, so I always did get a kick out of seeing a comic based in San Fransico. The closest us west coast fans get to a big gun is Hulk always jumping around the Nevada desert.

 

[deemar325]

I always did like Cardiac. Good idea Dread. I have to agree on the Iron Man issue too. Ever read the IM issue where they teamed up? It just wants to make you roll your eyes. It wasnt a bad issue, but when you think about it, Marvel already has an underappriciated Iron Man called War Machine.

Sorry, if I pissed you off about that atlanta comment deemar. I'm from California myself, so I always did get a kick out of seeing a comic based in San Fransico. The closest us west coast fans get to a big gun is Hulk always jumping around the Nevada desert.

I apologize also, I think a super team or hero based in the south and the west coast would be a good thing for Marvel.

JayDawg you just gave me an idea! I think I'll make a thread on the subject.

 

[KAD]

I apologize also, I think a super team or hero based in the south and the west coast would be a good thing for Marvel.

JayDawg you just gave me an idea! I think I'll make a thread on the subject.

Dont you southerners have the TExas Rangers or whatever that teams name is?

 

[Muze]

Great ideas Dread. Being from the chi, I can tell you, it pisses me off that heros only seem to operate in freakin new york. f**k new york. No offense Dread, but ever scince they cleaned the place up and got rid of all the peep shows in times square, the place just hasn't been the same.) Most of the writers don't even live there, they email most of their scripts in from where ever the hell they actually live. That ole, Marvel comics is based in New York so thats what they write about arguement is outdated and lame. Time to branch out some more. Why the hell Detroit doesn't have a hero I'll never know. That place is a f**king dump in serious need of some saving.

well part of the draw of a hero is the background scenery. New York is used because of the tall skyscrapers and heavy foot traffic. Detroit would be kind of...different looking i'd imagine. i'm still rooting for Atlanta or, heck, why not California now that the Pride is out of the way? i would pick Chicago since i'm an illinoiser but they already shut down Cabrini Green. what would be the fun in it? and i'm also sticking by my statement that Thrash is the Iron Man of the New Warriors; not Captain America.

Dont you southerners have the TExas Rangers or whatever that teams name is?

yeah, how lame is that though? the Rangers needs a serious update before they represent anyone. i understand that Red Wolf is native american but does he really have to run around with no shirt on and moccassins? get some style bro. and a really cool power was wasted on that mustached doofus; Texas Twister imo.

 

[deemar325]

well part of the draw of a hero is the background scenery. New York is used because of the tall skyscrapers and heavy foot traffic. Detroit would be kind of...different looking i'd imagine. i'm still rooting for Atlanta or, heck, why not California now that the Pride is out of the way? i would pick Chicago since i'm an illinoiser but they already shut down Cabrini Green. what would be the fun in it? and i'm also sticking by my statement that Thrash is the Iron Man of the New Warriors; not Captain America.



yeah, how lame is that though? the Rangers needs a serious update before they represent anyone. i understand that Red Wolf is native american but does he really have to run around with no shirt on and moccassins? get some style bro. and a really cool power was wasted on that mustached doofus; Texas Twister imo.

well the south kinda has, GhostRider,Hulk(SouthWest) and Gambit.
but I'm not selfish enough to think Detriot needs a Superhero.

 

[Varient]

I'd like to see somebody take a stab at reinventing Rage. He's still only a kid, so he's pretty much a blank slate. He can change as a character, become more than the angry black kid stereo type he's been given over the years.

Sigh.
I want rage to run into and "tag along" with the hulk for a bit,.. or maybe even cage as a fanboy.

(I know,.. I know,... too "fanboy" to want something so obvious.)

But there are not too many that can keep up with his stated powers and abilities.

From:
http://asuaf.org/~mcescher/warriors/rage.html
Elvin was a scrawny, geeky kid living with his Granny in her house in Brooklyn. But one day, on the run from a bunch of white kids who wanted to beat him up, he accidently hid in a polluted creek... just as a barrel of biohazardous waste was poured into it! Elvin was drenched in the burning, stinking chemicals, and was sick for days. But then he got better. Much better. And bigger. His muscles bulged, his hair fell out, and knives broke when they hit his skin. He would've used his new physique to get revenge upon the kids who'd tried to hurt him, but his Granny Staples showed his error, and he became a hero instead, confrontationally applying for membership in the Avengers. He got it, for a time -- until they discovered he was only 14, and so restricted him to training status. Fortunately, he'd just met the New Warriors, and when they needed extra help to deal with the Folding Circle and Night Thrasher's meglomaniacal housekeeper, they recruited him. His association with the Warriors became permanent after they convinced him to help 'borrow' a Quinjet from the Avengers, which got him kicked out by the older heroes. Elvin mellowed quite a bit through contact with his peers, and they soon became his friends; but one of the Warriors got on the bad side of a particularly nasty street gang, and the team's family members paid the price. When his Granny Staples was killed, he was put in the legal custody of Dwayne Taylor (Night Thrasher) and Andrew Chord (father to two of his fellow Warriors -- biologically to Silhouette, and surrogately to Thrasher), and went to live with them. He started at a boarding school, and though at first he didn't like it, he eventually began enjoying it, and he decided to retire his superheroic identity and just try to live a normal life.

Danny:

"Elvin is quieter, more in control of himself. Soft spoken and really intelligent. No longer prone to fits of destruction-causing anger, but sometimes he still gets ticked off. He's attending college on a Maria Stark scholarship looking to enjoy the 'best years of his life' in a normal fashion. That is until he meets his resident advisor Speedball." (2/01/02)
"Elvin has a ton of potential. Some great drama awaits him." (2/2/02)
Jeremy:
'Elvin Daryl Bradley' on the sketch - "Typo! Sorry I drew some of these sketches late, late, late at night. I just drew Chris's sketch right before I drew Elvin's. That Bradley name was just stuck in my head i guess. Holiday[sic] is still his last name." (1/31/02)
Rage Costume Color Test - "Well those colors were done by a friend of mine and aren't the exact colors being used (Rage's are more black and red). He colored it more for fun." (1/28/02)
"Rage will be the one that will surprise us all. Without him this team would...well you'll see (HOPEFULLY!)." (2/2/02)
Why Rage has no eye wear -- "Rage is strong in every way. It is very hard to puncture his skin or any other part of his body. His eyes are the same." (2/16/02)
(Here's an unused costume design for Rage.)

(Commentary on the sketches, and dangling plot threads Danny and Jeremy could potentially use...)

Elvin quit superheroics, revealed his identity to his classmates at his boarding school, and seemed at piece with himself when we saw him last. Was there more than meets the eye to his tranquility? And what will bring him back into heroics?
Is Rage still the legal ward of Andrew Chord and Dwayne Taylor (Night Thrasher)? Does he still live with them at the Ambrose Building?
When he was last heavily featured in a WARRIORS series, Rage was trying to decide whether or not to tell the 23-year-old single mother he was dating that he was only 15. The outcome of that was never revealed.
A mysterious figure was apparently surveilling Elvin at that time, which narrative captions implied was his long-lost father. Will anything ever be done with that?

 

[Varient]

Technically, Night-Thrasher is Rage's legal guardian; so anywhere Thrasher goes you could concievably bring Rage. Rage would need more of an overhual than Thrasher does, right down to the name. I mean, you can't escape the "massive angry black man" stereotype and have a name like "Rage". Maybe they should take a cue from some of the Capt. Marvel stuff in JSA; a teenager inside a massive adult body can bring it's share of life hassles, especially to those not in the know.

Thrasher's "tech-level" rose in the 90's to the point where he was basically a step below Iron Man and I am not sure that works for him. I almost hate to use the term "ninja", but it's hard to look at his original design and tell me that a "ninja" doesn't spring to mind. When I once was planning to redesign the New Warriors for an ULTIMATE NEW WARRIORS fan-fic, I pictured Dwayne Taylor/Night-Thrasher as not this "guy with multi-purpose armor" as what happened at times in the 90's, when he had compartments for everything, but more of a Casey Jones-level vigilante looking out for his neighborhood. The thing with Night-Thrasher, and a helluva lot of heroes for that matter, is they need to LEAVE NEW YORK. It's too crammed. GRAVITY was a series that made light of the fact that because NYC is the superhero nexus of Marvel, you could embark on a full-fledged superhero campaign, even toss a few rogues, and be utterly unrecognizable or unmemorable because there are too many fish in the pond.

I kind of see Night-Thrasher as not a Batman Lite (although, yes, he is simular to "Batman: Year One") but more as the Captain America to the New Warriors. That is, their human-level leader who relies on his own prowess and cunning to make himself distinct amung his demigod teammates, but unlike Batman can actually grow to trust them more; maybe like Nightwing, who is plenty popular. He needs to lose the skateboard, though; WAAYYYY too 90's and makes one imagine Rocket Racer.

I'd base the New Warriors in Chicago. Statistically the crime rate there is higher than in NYC right now and that is a good launching pad to have Thrasher and the team operate in other states, because I'd imagine that since there are few superhereoes that operate regularly between NYC and CA (hell, recent GAMBIT issues stated that the entire state of Louisiana is dependant on the protection of...Brother Voodoo), organized gangs of villians you "haven't seen for years" are actually having a field day organizing local mobs in areas most heroes rarely hit. Good place for Thrasher and the Warriors to continue their fight against "the threats that others don't touch."

I also think a good polar opposite for Thrasher would be Cardiac. Like the Magneto to Thrasher's more-aggressive Xavier.

All Good,... I'm feeling you on everything you said.

Sigh.
(Too Bad you don't run Marvel.)

 

[RockSP]

Never liked the name...Night Thrasher. Like the character, though.

 

[Varient]

Never liked the name...Night Thrasher. Like the character, though.

I always wondered how they came up with that name.

 

[Anubis]