Threads on Mutant Levels Merged

[PyroProductions]

Who said she wasn't?

I think I just misread uknowho's post. My B.

 

[uknowho]

Do you guys remember the jungle episodes from TAS where Storm went insane against Garrok?

Imagine if she does that to Magneto.

 

[PyroProductions]

Do you guys remember the jungle episodes from TAS where Storm went insane against Garrok?

Imagine if she does that to Magneto.

Well played. It's a tough one though. I can see where both of you guys are coming from.

 

[GanjaFred]

there weren't any cars in the savage lands

 

[uknowho]

That's why Storm has the edge. She isn't restricted by field advantage; she could make her powers useful anywhere, anytime. Without any metal presence, even I could kick Magneto's ass.

 

[GanjaFred]

i was talking about cars, not metal, where do you think metal comes from?

 

[Da Docta]

That's why Storm has the edge. She isn't restricted by field advantage; she could make her powers useful anywhere, anytime. Without any metal presence, even I could kick Magneto's ass.

I dun know, can you defend yourself when you get struck by electromagnetic energy? Remember: Magneto powers isn't restricted to magnetism only. He can project other energy as well. And I don't really think you can bypass his shield. (which has held its own against Thor and She-Hulk combined)

 

[HairWithoutLice]

I was kinda glad this was introduced into the movie, because I thought it was very interesting. Wish it was kinda talked about a little bit more.

But from what I gather, this is where everyone falls?

Class 5
Jean Grey
Xavier
Magneto
Storm

Class 4
Pyro
Iceman
Juggernaut
Wolvie

Class 3
Beast
Kitty
Colossus
Callisto
Mystique?

Class 2
Quills
Arclight

You are an idiot

Class 5
Jean/Pheonix -this was said by Callisto

Class 4
Magneto-Pheonix is more powerful then him this was said also
Wolverine -Though he is very sloppy with his fighting and really depends on his healing factor
Juggernaut
Iceman
Mystique
Storm-definitely
Pyro -He barely makes this list
Beast-did you see this guy?

Class 3
Kitty
Collosuss
Rogue

Class 2
Angel
Arclight
Quills

 

[uknowho]

I know you were talking about cars, that's why I mentioned "field advantage."

So can Magneto.

A lot of people seem to forget that there are magnetic fields all over the Earth and Magneto can control them.

What about that plastic prison he was incarcerated in?

I dun know, can you defend yourself when you get struck by electromagnetic energy? Remember: Magneto powers isn't restricted to magnetism only. He can project other energy as well. And I don't really think you can bypass his shield. (which has held its own against Thor and She-Hulk combined)

You're right. I completely forgot about Magneto's magnetic shield.

 

[GanjaFred]

the whole plastic prison thing in the previous movies and moving a bridge in this one doesn't add up.
there must've been something else that blocked out his powers

 

[Daniella]

Where's Cyclops ??? He may not been in the most of the movie, but he is still there...

Dany

 

[stryfe]

Storm is not as powerul as Pheonix, the Pheonix is the most powerful mutie ever I believe...but she certainly isnt in the same level(level 3) as Wolvie and Beast.

Im not saying shes more powerful than mags or Xavier but I cant say shes too far behind in some instances.

Storm is a 3 wolverine a 2 beast a 2. Her powers are stronger then theres. Re read my post I havent changed it.

 

[Kotagg]

HAHAHA!! If magneto could control the electromagnetic spectrum hed kick Pheonix's arse with ease. Your talking about Gamma rays, X-rays, light, microwaves, ect....Hes be unstoppable!!And hed make the Pheonix look like crap

He can. And he can. That's my point.

Below Phoenix and above everyone else. To say that Pyro or Iceman or even Storm is in the same class as someone like Xavier is crazy. If they squared off Xavier could just control them to do his bidding. Or concentrate hard enough and kill them.

See, this is why the whole discussion is sort of moot: are we talking "powerful in a duel," or "raw power to kill millions?"

It's stated time and again in comics that Iceman is an Omega-level mutant. More powerful than Xavier, Storm, Pyro, and even Magneto, he's equaled only by the eight other Omegas: Jean, Rachel Summers, Vulcan, Franklin Richards, Absalom (Mr. M), Mr. Immortal, Quentin Quire, and Elixir.

What about that plastic prison he was incarcerated in?

If we're using the comics as any sort of precedent (which we are here, because there's no reason not to), then that whole plastic prison thing was bull****. The human body ITSELF has enough Iron in it that when the big bad-guy in X2 (can't remember his name) entered with the security guard, Mags would have been able to rip that iron out and get out.

Not to mention the fact that he could simply rip the whole building down around him and shield himself, then float out. The only thing I can imagine, actually, is that the special plastic room must have had some sort of functional ability to reverse the electromagnetic spectrum ITSELF within its boundaries. *ponders*

 

[Odyism]

I like how people areb pulling facts from their asses.
There are very few mutants who can defeat Jean Grey, Magneto has killed her before...but that was by storing enough energy over a LONG period of time. This put Jean Grey in a state of shock...but guess what...she came back to life and his attack was useless. Jean Grey is the human mainfestion of the Phoenix force. Meaning the Phoenix Force can exist in outspace alone, but both Jean and the Phoenix are inseparable and depend on each other to thrive. Meaning..if Jean Grey chose to...she could destory universes and timelines with a blink. Even if someone managed to kill her she would come back to life (She has come back 10+ times in the comics :P)

If you are going by the comic verse and trying to translate it to the movie screen the ranking would go something like this.

Class 5
Jean Grey
Iceman
A few other mutants that weren't in the movie (ie. Nate Grey, Gambit as New Sun, Franklin Richards, etc.)

Class 4
Magneto
Storm
Cyclops
Xavier
Rogue
and I think Wolverine and Psylocke

Class 3, 2, and 1
The rest of the cast

 

[SuperT]

You are an idiot

Dude, that was uncalled for. I was stating what I thought in my first post and I haven't read the comics that relate to rating the level of mutants. I only know what I know through the movies and and reading a select few comic books.

The first list I made was a complete rough draft and just something to spark the conversation so calm the f**k down.

 

[BlazingBread]

the whole plastic prison thing in the previous movies and moving a bridge in this one doesn't add up.
there must've been something else that blocked out his powers

Agreed, the Earths core gives off a magnetic field that rises through the earths crust. Therefore mag should be able to use is power anywhere unless something else is preventing him like you stated.

 

[Sentinel X]

He can. And he can. That's my point.

No Magneto can control magnetic fields which may have different forms of energy but he does not control the electromagnetic spectrum ...Do you even know what the electromagnetic spectrum is??? , if he could control it why hasnt he used it yet?

You are an idiot

Actually you are ...get a life,we are talking about power levels of fictional charecters, theres no need to get snotty with people

 

[HandOfFate]

Hmmm...I thouht we did this thread a while ago. IIRC, we came up with leveling system.

 

[theJust]

anyone who can control natural elements is obviously the creme of the crop.
but i dont see pyro above a 3, because he can only manipulate...err

plus this whole scaling system is simply callisto own way of looking at it..
its not world law.

 

[borinquenknight]

In reference to the Phoenix Force: If we're discussing the comic version, I rememer reading an Excalibur issue where Phoenix II battles Galactus and flat out hands him his arse no questions asked. Then Galactus explained that by feeding off of a planet's energy he was sustained by life that had already run its course but that the Phoenix force was sustaining itself off of a infinite source, life that had not yet run its course specifically unborn beings. It was a bit of a shock but explains the limitless power.

Also when it comes to abilities:

There are power levels and there are levels of control.

Magneto's ability to manipulate massive quantities of ore is one thing but separating iron from your bloodstream is scary.

Phoenix moving continents can be considered mythological but again to change water to steel by telekinetically rearranging its molecular structure would be considered Godly.

Which is why people like Iceman can have limitless potential.

 

[neemer5]

You are an idiot

Class 5
Jean/Pheonix -this was said by Callisto

Class 4
Magneto-Pheonix is more powerful then him this was said also
Wolverine -Though he is very sloppy with his fighting and really depends on his healing factor
Juggernaut
Iceman
Mystique
Storm-definitely
Pyro -He barely makes this list
Beast-did you see this guy?

Class 3
Kitty
Collosuss
Rogue

Class 2
Angel
Arclight
Quills

I'd flip Beast with Rogue. I think I'd put Wolverine as a 3, too (remember in X1 Prof was confused why Magneto wanted him, as his powers weren't that special. Beast's powers are at about the same level). Rogue can kill someone with just a touch. That's powerful. I'd also put Archlight up a notch, Multiple Man, Callisto, and Leech as 3, Spike and Psylocke as 2, and some of the cameos (eg Phat, Lizard Man, etc.) as 1.

 

[TNC9852002]

People really liked Arclight in this movie in the little time that she had (good crowd reaction to her shockwaves)...I liked her too,...She seems pretty powerful..but I don't know about these "Classes".

Oh well..

-TNC

 

[BVM]

I hate to state the obvious but this levels stuff is basically a useless argument as the mutants power changes with author or director.

Basically any author can come in and suddenly say mutant x is now an Omega and the mutants power levels change with every story. For example Magneto in Chris Claremounts the end is said to be enormously powerful, so powerful that after he dies he become living energy.

Also remember that the movies versions of these characters are no where near as powerful as the comics.

So basically I find these arguments about power levels pretty silly, everyone will claim there mutant is more powerful.

And wouldnt the most powerful person in the Marvel universe, be the man known as "the collective"?

 

[ZeroCorpse]

Classes and levels aside, I'd say that they reversed Callisto and Arclight's looks in the movie.

In the movie, Callisto has level 4 looks and Arclight has level 1 looks.
In the comics, Callisto has level 1 looks and Arclight is a level 4.

WHY did they make Callisto attractive, and Arclight sort of a woofster, and not the other way around as it was in the comics? That's my only complaint!

 

[stassiss]

Personally i think alot of you are looking at this movie class system the wrong way, I Think that it could possible be similar to the comic Beta, Alpha, Omega ect... where the class your in is what TYPE of power you have, not how you use it or how much of it you have (to certain extents)
So...
Class 1 obviously the weakest would probably be a category which includes mutants with physical appearences which are different and most probably the whole feral thing for ex: Beast (sorry to say this but he may be clever, strong and fast with heightened senses he's just like an animal merged with a clever human)

Class two would be the abilities which allow the absorption and projection of energy at a low level For example: Callisto and her ability to read the energy levels of her environment

Class three would be the higher level of class two: So people like Cyclops would be in this one, and most probably rogue because of her intense gift to absorb life force and powers

Class four would be the control of elemental and psionic powers, people who can effect the physical world by nature and people who have mental capacity past that of the normal senses and abilities, they dont necessarily need to be the same power strengths as eachother to be in this one because they can all effect the elements in some way or another or use psionics to gain insight or superiority in the world: People like Xavier, Storm, Pyro, Iceman, jean frey with mental blocks in her head...

Class 5 obviously the highest rank is the one where the user of their power, be it molecular, psionical, elemental, and maybe even certain ferals (but i doubt it) have almost limitless potential to their power levels.
Jean grey has always naturally been a class 5 mutant but as she was a child and her mind was more easy to breech by Xavier, he kept her power levels in check and reduced her power greatly, she still may have had the potential but wasnt able to access it so easily, this is why in the end of x-2 she had to transcend the boundries of what she could do and what she had to do in order to save everyone, thus breaking the mental barriers in her mind and freeing her power...and alternate personality.

Thats just about it...That was my theory anyways, what do you guys think?