Threads on Mutant Levels Merged

[PyroProductions]

This annoyed the hell out of me when i was watching the movie. I just wanted Callisto to ****.

Everything in this movie annoyed the hell outta me.

 

[Joaqenix]

What is Rogue? She's probably 3 or 5, cause she can take powers. Mystique is probably a 4, cause she can take any form ANY POWER.

What are you talking about? No she can't.

 

[PyroProductions]

What are you talking about? No she can't.

HAHAHA! I found this very amusing.

 

[Avalanche]

I agree with you. Mystique's mutant ability alone would put her somewhere on the Class 3-4 scale.

But with her martial arts skills and intelligence, she becomes the most deadly mutant ever.

Hey, we're not taking into consideration how even mutants continue their mutations over time. Perhaps Mystique will even be able to copy other mutants' powers with time. That will make her unstoppable.

You're clearly a Mystique fan, but you're wrong. Whilst useful, Mystique is far away from the most powerful mutant.

 

[afmvdp]

Well if they are going by actual power classifications like that then it is more about total control and power potential. Thus why Jean was the only 5, as she had essentially the power to manipulate all matter in any way she pleased.

Thus a Collosus or Juggernaut, even despite their great strength would only be around a level 3 because they essentially have only 2 powers. Both with super strength and Col with a metal transformation and jugs with his unstoppable run. I'd even put movie Wolverine in this range, because of the general limitations of his powers. He has his claws, but that is a simple feral power that could be shown in the lvl 2, it is really only his healing that is an actual power.

things like martial arts aren't rated, that's a fighting skill, and doesn't rank with total power potential.

So out of mutants shown, I'd say only, mags, prof x, pyro, iceman, and storm were lvl 4, most the rest of the xmen in a lvl 3. Honestly if it weren't stated otherwise in the movie, I would of put pyro at a lvl 3 as he shows an invulnerability to fire, but not an actual fire form ala sunfire, etc. Plus since he cannot create the flame himself, only the manipulation of it.

If we were to go down that route though, mags only power is his gravitational control and manipulation of metal which wouldnt have me list him as above a 3 either except for a sheer level of control he had.

Lvl 1 would essentially be physical abnormalities only, and Lvl 2 being ferals, and basic evolutionary jumps, rather than full out energy or form manipulations, which would bring them up to lvl 3.

Perhaps that's taking far more from the comics than some randomly generated numbering system that's left unexplained over random movie scripting quips.

 

[uknowho]

You're clearly a Mystique fan, but you're wrong. Whilst useful, Mystique is far away from the most powerful mutant.

I didn't say she was the most powerful mutant, that spot is reserved for Phoenix. I did say Mystique was the most deadly.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

I think these levels have more to do with distruction capability.
Level 1: mutants who just look like freaks and can't much
Level 2: mutants who have some advantages with their powers like beast, angel, calisto, maybe nightcrawler
Level 3: Mutants who have shooting abilities like cyclops, iceman, pyro, gambit, havok, or non shooters who can also do some serious damage like collosus, wolverine
Level4: Great scale distruction like storm, magneto, juggernaut or strong psycics like xavier
Level 5: earth or galaxy destroyers like phoenix

 

[chaseter]

Didn't Callisto say that Phoenix was the only class level 5 she ever sensed?

I think she did. That makes me wonder if Mags would be a 4.

 

[Avalanche]

I didn't say she was the most powerful mutant, that spot is reserved for Phoenix. I did say Mystique was the most deadly.

Well, surely Phoenix is more deadly? She killed whole swathes of people in the final battle without breaking into a sweat. That's more deadly than Mystique could ever manage.

 

[Barry Allen]

If I'm not mistaken, in the church, Callisto calls both Pyro and Magento "Class 3" mutants.

 

[chaseter]

If I'm not mistaken, in the church, Callisto calls both Pyro and Magento "Class 3" mutants.

No, she says everyone here is a class 3 or below...except for you 2.

 

[PyroProductions]

Well, surely Phoenix is more deadly? She killed whole swathes of people in the final battle without breaking into a sweat. That's more deadly than Mystique could ever manage.

Yes, she is more deadly. She is actually more deadly in the comics as Dark Phoenix, especially when she destroys an entire galaxy. I think they didn't make her deadly enough. On a different note, I tried to look up the status of Class 5 mutants, and it said Jean Grey was an Omega Level mutant, but did not specify whether or not she was the only one.

 

[batnkevlar]

Yeah, so Phoenix is a class 5... along with a potential Apocalypse...

Magneto, Xavier, and Pyro are Level 4's... Level 4's are the most prevalent with what we've seen... which would make most of the X-Men Level 4's...

Callisto doesn't do much, and pretty much allt he Brotherhood's a level 3 or less...

and it's not based on how much power you have, or on who can beat who, or what intelligence they are or martial arts skills, it's pure power... Colossus and Juggernaut (movie versions) are level 4... Cyclops, Storm, Wolvie, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Iceamn, they're all 4's, that's why they beat up the brotherhood...

 

[Kotagg]

I never really like this rating system crap in the first place - after all, how do you quantify something that is abstract in its very definition? "Ah yes, controlling ice makes you a Class 4 mutant.." Seriously, how does that even fly? The level of power you have is directly based off of your creativity and the ability to use said power in a sitaution, not all of which are combat-based.

For instance, I'd say that Iceman could be infinitely more powerful than Pyro, but the inability with which he conducts himself shows him not be so. And along that note, Magneto has the most versatile power of anyone but Jean, as the magnetic spectrum is tied into nearly every known energy spectrum - meaning he can control electricity, kinetics, tectonics, and a bunch of other things. All he does is do **** to metal though.

That said, this whole discussion is silly.

 

[Darth Loco]

If I'm not mistaken, in the church, Callisto calls both Pyro and Magento "Class 3" mutants.

no she said that noone in the room was over a level 3 except pyro and magneto....

 

[Sir Revolver]

I was wondering if anyone else thought that the effectiveness of the "cure" is based on a mutant's level?

Magneto was said to be at level 3 and maybe because of that, he was still able to barely move a metal chess piece?

Which makes me believe that Rouge will somehow get her mutant power back (that is of course if she's a low-level mutant).

Does anyone else think so? Or I could be looking too much into things.

 

[uknowho]

The "cure" only works temporarily. All the "cured" mutants will regain their powers with time. Perhaps the more powerful mutants will regain theirs faster than the weaker mutants.

 

[Theven]

The "cure" only works temporarily. All the "cured" mutants will regain their powers with time. Perhaps the more powerful mutants will regain theirs faster than the weaker mutants.

I never read the comic books, so forgive me if I'm wrong. But as far as the movie goes, Beast explicitly says that the cure will "supress the mutant gene...permanently."

 

[jim_root_rules]

tht info obv comes for the companies report so as far as the compny knows it supresses it permantly but they are wrong, we kno this cos of magnetos scene at the end. so it probly only works for a time, maybe while the cure is in the mutants system.

 

[neemer5]

I was wondering if anyone else thought that the effectiveness of the "cure" is based on a mutant's level?

Magneto was said to be at level 3 and maybe because of that, he was still able to barely move a metal chess piece?

Which makes me believe that Rouge will somehow get her mutant power back (that is of course if she's a low-level mutant).

Does anyone else think so? Or I could be looking too much into things.

I'd guess that she's a very high level mutant.

 

[StorminNorman]

I was wondering if anyone else thought that the effectiveness of the "cure" is based on a mutant's level?

Magneto was said to be at level 3 and maybe because of that, he was still able to barely move a metal chess piece?

Which makes me believe that Rouge will somehow get her mutant power back (that is of course if she's a low-level mutant).

Does anyone else think so? Or I could be looking too much into things.

Magneto was said to be level 4.

I think there are many different ways the "cure" could go. It could prove to be effective and it would eliminate powers (or drastically reduce them in Magnito's case), it could be a temp job or it could eventually make the powers evolve into a stronger version of its former self. There are many ways the aftermath of the cure could go.

 

[PyroProductions]

I never really like this rating system crap in the first place - after all, how do you quantify something that is abstract in its very definition? "Ah yes, controlling ice makes you a Class 4 mutant.." Seriously, how does that even fly? The level of power you have is directly based off of your creativity and the ability to use said power in a sitaution, not all of which are combat-based.

For instance, I'd say that Iceman could be infinitely more powerful than Pyro, but the inability with which he conducts himself shows him not be so. And along that note, Magneto has the most versatile power of anyone but Jean, as the magnetic spectrum is tied into nearly every known energy spectrum - meaning he can control electricity, kinetics, tectonics, and a bunch of other things. All he does is do **** to metal though.

That said, this whole discussion is silly.

See batnkelvars post.

 

[uknowho]

I never read the comic books, so forgive me if I'm wrong. But as far as the movie goes, Beast explicitly says that the cure will "supress the mutant gene...permanently."

Well, people used to believe the atom was the smallest particle until they cut it open. Plus, Magneto did move a metallic chess piece with his power at the very end of the movie, so that kills the "permanent curing" theory.

Beast just repeated what he is told, and people are never always right.

 

[GanjaFred]

Beast said it was permanent before the damn "cure" was even tested

 

[uknowho]

Beast said it was permanent before the damn "cure" was even tested

Yeah, that too.