TIH to Hulk:Ambigious/Reboot?Sequel?Or Requel?

[Maximillian]

Note: radioactive monsters are rarely employed as ninjas.

Or as cartoon characters.

 

[some guy]

Note: radioactive monsters are rarely employed as ninjas.

Or as cartoon characters.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

See if you imagined that Axis chemicals scene took place during the events of 'Begins', let's say, on Batman's first night on the town after the Falcone bust, you could just about do that. You just have to imagine that Batman89 is the continuation, but has some events that happened simultaneously with the events of Batman Begins, but were not shown.

Oh dear god no...............

 

[david icke]

Oh dear god no...............

You read my way of explaining how both Chill and Napier could have killed Bruce's parents right? I thought that was pretty neat.



But, yeah, I just wanted to give it a try matching them up. To see if it could be done.

 

[Chris Wallace]

And then how do you explain the two Jokers? Or the two Dents? Or Gordon not being Commissioner?

 

[david icke]

And then how do you explain the two Jokers? Or the two Dents? Or Gordon not being Commissioner?

I was thinking more in terms of just trying to link BB and BM89, like, if a sequel had never been made to BB, how could you match up BM89 to come after the Joker card reveal in BB.
The Commisioner thing is another problem , you are right, a couple of people refer to him as Commisioner Gordon during the Axis Chemicals thing.
You could....just say that the guys in uniform consider Gordon the 'real' Commish, as they have no respect for Loeb and think Gordon runs the place anyway. Even though Gordon tells them to stop doing it, they all call him Commisioner anyway, out of respect that he is the one holding the department together. Ok, there is Knox the reporter too, so just say he is the same, calls him commisioner as he knows it's his nickname and knows who really pulls the strings in the department.

 

[Hmarrs]

I thought the last Hulk film was fantastic.
And to me...it SEEMS that Marvel may have planned to introduce an intelligent Hulk into the next film...what with them showing the creation of The Leader and showing Banner being able to control the Hulk transformation.

It would be a smart move...the Hulk isn't generally accepted by audiences...but having him Intelligent and in speaking roles would significantly incease his appeal to non-fans.

Go with the Savage Dumb Hulk a happy Medium.

 

[kedrell]

I think the very fact that we still have these questions means that it wasn't really much of a reboot at all. Or at the very least, it wasn't a completely unapologetic reboot ala' Batman Begins. When I saw that film it didn't even cross my mind that it may have been trying to be a prequel to Burton's film. I knew it was it's own thing right from the start. TIH in contrast was a bit more muddled.

If you're going to break with the past film(s) then make it clear as day that this is exactly what you are doing. But I guess Marvel was afraid of pissing off the AngHulk fans......all ten of them.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Batman Begins had certain things going for it in that regard, one of them being a significant time lapse. The two Hulk movies were 5 years apart, and they didn't help matters by saying within the story that Bruce had been the Hulk & had been on the run for 5 years. Batman Begins had its own distinct origin story which separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films, even in the eyes of the ADD crowd. TIH gave us a quick recap with Norton in a Bixby-esque gamma machine, which one could have easily construed as one of his many failed attempts at a cure. Begins had a new Gotham, a new cave, a new suit, new Batmobile, new everything. TIH was presented in a very similar style to Lee's movie-CGI Hulk, limited talking, Banner on the run in a story that seemed to pick up right where the previous one left off, and the only difference the average moviegoer probably noticed was the cast. They should have been clearer, or else just took their chances and made it a true sequel. This middle ground was not the right idea, and adds to my dislike of the idea of reboots in general.

 

[Hmarrs]

Batman Begins had certain things going for it in that regard, one of them being a significant time lapse. The two Hulk movies were 5 years apart, and they didn't help matters by saying within the story that Bruce had been the Hulk & had been on the run for 5 years. Batman Begins had its own distinct origin story which separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films, even in the eyes of the ADD crowd. TIH gave us a quick recap with Norton in a Bixby-esque gamma machine, which one could have easily construed as one of his many failed attempts at a cure. Begins had a new Gotham, a new cave, a new suit, new Batmobile, new everything. TIH was presented in a very similar style to Lee's movie-CGI Hulk, limited talking, Banner on the run in a story that seemed to pick up right where the previous one left off, and the only difference the average moviegoer probably noticed was the cast. They should have been clearer, or else just took their chances and made it a true sequel. This middle ground was not the right idea, and adds to my dislike of the idea of reboots in general.

Well said Chris.

 

[kedrell]

Batman Begins had certain things going for it in that regard, one of them being a significant time lapse. The two Hulk movies were 5 years apart, and they didn't help matters by saying within the story that Bruce had been the Hulk & had been on the run for 5 years. Batman Begins had its own distinct origin story which separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films, even in the eyes of the ADD crowd. TIH gave us a quick recap with Norton in a Bixby-esque gamma machine, which one could have easily construed as one of his many failed attempts at a cure. Begins had a new Gotham, a new cave, a new suit, new Batmobile, new everything. TIH was presented in a very similar style to Lee's movie-CGI Hulk, limited talking, Banner on the run in a story that seemed to pick up right where the previous one left off, and the only difference the average moviegoer probably noticed was the cast. They should have been clearer, or else just took their chances and made it a true sequel. This middle ground was not the right idea, and adds to my dislike of the idea of reboots in general.

I agree with everything but this. 5 years or 8 years, to me it's not much difference between the two. James Bond did it well enough in just 4 years.

 

[Hmarrs]

I agree with everything but this. 5 years or 8 years, to me it's not much difference between the two. James Bond did it well enough in just 4 years.

I agree.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Batman Begins had certain things going for it in that regard, one of them being a significant time lapse. The two Hulk movies were 5 years apart, and they didn't help matters by saying within the story that Bruce had been the Hulk & had been on the run for 5 years. Batman Begins had its own distinct origin story which separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films, even in the eyes of the ADD crowd. TIH gave us a quick recap with Norton in a Bixby-esque gamma machine, which one could have easily construed as one of his many failed attempts at a cure. Begins had a new Gotham, a new cave, a new suit, new Batmobile, new everything. TIH was presented in a very similar style to Lee's movie-CGI Hulk, limited talking, Banner on the run in a story that seemed to pick up right where the previous one left off, and the only difference the average moviegoer probably noticed was the cast. They should have been clearer, or else just took their chances and made it a true sequel. This middle ground was not the right idea, and adds to my dislike of the idea of reboots in general.

Great Posting

 

[Maximillian]

Nice try. These versions of the Turtles were not radioactive.

 

[david icke]

Chris, yeah, that was a great post about re-boots, I haven't thought about the downside to them so much really.
But, i understand the Hulk one, it being to integrate his story into the shared Marvel universe through the super soldier serum, who knows how that will play out in future movies, they may have a sketched out plan for that being important in Avengers.
Otherwise, i think it would have been pointless to reboot. It's kind of funny, if the ang film had not been so unpopular Marvel would probably not have got the Hulk rights back, so it was a bittersweet 'flop'.

 

[some guy]

Nice try. These versions of the Turtles were not radioactive.

Mutagen ain't radioactive?

 

[El Payaso]

Batman Begins had certain things going for it in that regard, one of them being a significant time lapse. The two Hulk movies were 5 years apart, and they didn't help matters by saying within the story that Bruce had been the Hulk & had been on the run for 5 years. Batman Begins had its own distinct origin story which separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films, even in the eyes of the ADD crowd. TIH gave us a quick recap with Norton in a Bixby-esque gamma machine, which one could have easily construed as one of his many failed attempts at a cure. Begins had a new Gotham, a new cave, a new suit, new Batmobile, new everything. TIH was presented in a very similar style to Lee's movie-CGI Hulk, limited talking, Banner on the run in a story that seemed to pick up right where the previous one left off, and the only difference the average moviegoer probably noticed was the cast. They should have been clearer, or else just took their chances and made it a true sequel. This middle ground was not the right idea, and adds to my dislike of the idea of reboots in general.

While I agree on most of your post, I don't think the BB suit was any more new to the previous franchise than say Batman retuirns' suit was to B89, Batman Forever's two suits were to the previous movies and so on.

BB suit looked a new variation of the previous franchise's suits. It wasn't a "new take" on the original blue and grey spandex suit, but another variation of the all black armoured suit created in 1989.

Now, I don't think that was what confused anybody. It's clear that Nolan's take was a different one.

 

[GhostPoet]

Really?!

Thousands of comic books, 3 cartoon series, one long runnning TV show, and two feature films seem to say differently. Hulk done right, taps something in people. Look at the mileage the TV show got out of a non-speaking Hulk.

I think I see what you were trying to say though. Hulk is really a very complex character and there is a lot of story to be told. The smart Hulk might be a chance to introduce something audiences haven't seen. If he is in another movie, that would be a way to take it to new territory.

I knew quite a few people who are not fans of the comic, but love comic-based films...had zero interest in seeing it. People who don't understand the character just see it as "just another monster movie" At least from everything i've heard from people. If he spoke...showed intelligence. It would help.

 

[Chris Wallace]

While I agree on most of your post, I don't think the BB suit was any more new to the previous franchise than say Batman retuirns' suit was to B89, Batman Forever's two suits were to the previous movies and so on.

BB suit looked a new variation of the previous franchise's suits. It wasn't a "new take" on the original blue and grey spandex suit, but another variation of the all black armoured suit created in 1989.

Now, I don't think that was what confused anybody. It's clear that Nolan's take was a different one.

It may have been black armor, but that's where the similarity to Keaton & Kilmer's suits ended. It wasn't AS restrictive, it didn't have sculpted muscles, (although many fans may feel it should have) it didn't have the needless feature I dare not mention by name, the cape was cloth as opposed to leather, and the belt was completely re-tooled. This, along with the other differences I listed, separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films in a way that Letterier DID NOT separate his film from Lee's. Much the way I doubt the rebooted Spider-Man will be TRULY distanced from Raimi's films, since they're retaining Raimi's writer.

 

[El Payaso]

It may have been black armor, but that's where the similarity to Keaton & Kilmer's suits ended.

And it's all that's needed since the original Batman suit wasn't that. But Burton was.

It wasn't AS restrictive, it didn't have sculpted muscles, (although many fans may feel it should have) it didn't have the needless feature I dare not mention by name, the cape was cloth as opposed to leather, and the belt was completely re-tooled.

Did I mention it was a variation (as in, you know, it's not exactly the same)? Yes, I did.

Of course it wasn't as restrictive. That doiesn't mean at all it's a different concept. It just means that tghis variation is made out of a better material (that looks quite the same btw), that's all.

That said, it did have sculpted muscles but tech-style just as, say, Returns' suit or Schumacher's sonar-suit. And it had the sonar suit's clasps for the cape and Batman wears the cape only behind the shoulders just as in Schumacher's movies.

But yes, the cape didn't have bat wings texture but some curtain's one, I give you that. And the belt. Not enough to make Nolan's suit a different concept than a black armoured suit.

This, along with the other differences I listed, separated it from the Burton/Schumacher films in a way that Letterier DID NOT separate his film from Lee's.

Hard to tell and/or compare since Hulk doesn't have a suit.

But I agree, if you saw Lee's Hulk once then you could have thought this was a sequel.

 

[Maximillian]

Note: radioactive monsters are rarely employed as ninjas.

Btw, I fail to see where I claimed that the Hulk was a ninja.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Well your complaint was that he didn't "blend in with his environment."

 

[Maximillian]

Read again. I wrote that he didn't blend in too well. Leterrier's Hulk does that because he's not as bright green as Ang Lee's walking traffic light.

 

[david icke]

lol, lighten up Maximillian, it was a good joke, in fact that whole thing with the turtles was pretty funny the way it developed. joke=not entirely serious=you don't have to debate the specifics of what you meant, Obi-Ron knows that already.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Yep, and some guy posting the turtles was pretty hilarious. t: