To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN) - Part 2

[XtremelyBaneful]

If I might interject a notion here the discovery of the Higgs-Bosun particle should scientifically quantify the existence of the creationary force we call God on this planet.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about.. but I would like to.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about.. but I would like to.

Look up the higgs-bosun particle.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Look up the higgs-bosun particle.

I have, but it is hard for me to understand what he means in the predicate.

 

[Apollo]

Colonial america, pre-separation of church and state days, had some insane laws in the 1600s.

These quotes are taken from Founding Faith by Steven Walden.

Quakers in 17th century Puritan Massachusetts

VIRGINIA’S LAWES DIVINE

Spoiler

This is a really depressing yet important read... I've been also reading other abuses by religious and atheists throughout history that use the state to abuse and to inflict terrible punishments and create insane laws.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about.. but I would like to.

You've never heard of the Higgs Bosun particle? Basically two scientists named Higgs and Bosun discovered a particle of subatomic matter with the ability to create matter. Everything in the universe is made up of atomic particles, right? Well, how would ancient peoples know about this level of scientific fact? It is my belief that what humanity terms God is this Higgs Bosun particle. Its innate abilities do correlate perfectly with what we believe God to be and what has been described in the Bible, an unseen yet ever present presence of creationary force. Seriously, you couldn't figure that out on your own? At the risk of being debased by fundamentalist religions like Catholicism or the Baptists I have always believed that God is a sentient mass of sparsely dispersed, universal wide atomic particles. I'm happy to see that science has more or less given my beliefs much more plausibility.

 

[Apollo]

Also Happy Good Friday to the Christians of the Hype!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You've never heard of the Higgs Bosun particle? Basically two scientists named Higgs and Bosun discovered a particle of subatomic matter with the ability to create matter. Everything in the universe is made up of atomic particles, right? Well, how would ancient peoples know about this level of scientific fact? It is my belief that what humanity terms God is this Higgs Bosun particle. Its innate abilities do correlate perfectly with what we believe God to be and what has been described in the Bible, an unseen yet ever present presence of creationary force. Seriously, you couldn't figure that out on your own? At the risk of being debased by fundamentalist religions like Catholicism or the Baptists I have always believed that God is a sentient mass of sparsely dispersed, universal wide atomic particles. I'm happy to see that science has more or less given my beliefs much more plausibility.

i've heard of it, i just did not understand what you were getting in terms of what we refer to when we say god.

i'd have to disagree, btw - i had a similar conversation earlier with dj kidvicious. the universe is not eternal, according to the big bang theory it sprung to existence about 13.7 billion years ago. it had a beginning and may have an end. god is eternal, it has no beginning nor an end

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

i've heard of it, i just did not understand what you were getting in terms of what we refer to when we say god.

i'd have to disagree, btw - i had a similar conversation earlier with dj kidvicious. the universe is not eternal, according to the big bang theory it sprung to existence about 13.7 billion years ago. it had a beginning and may have an end. god is eternal, it has no beginning nor an end

It did not necessarily have a beginning, and as it continually expands no end. Some of those who believe in the BBT also believe that before the universe existed there was no existence of time yet, only a singularity (of infinite density). This infinite singularity presumably had no beginning (cause without time there is no beginning) which could be considered the spawn of creation. One could put that as the starting point that always existed, or in more of human psyche terms the God. Could it be just as likely the initial singularity always existed, much the way that religious folks think of in terms of a God who has always existed?

 

[Apollo]

and Happy passover to the Jewish Hypsters!

 

[Greens]

You've never heard of the Higgs Bosun particle? Basically two scientists named Higgs and Bosun discovered a particle of subatomic matter with the ability to create matter. Everything in the universe is made up of atomic particles, right? Well, how would ancient peoples know about this level of scientific fact?

Ancient peoples never spoke of this particle. Just because the particle and God may share characteristics doesn't mean that this is what they were talking about.

It is my belief that what humanity terms God is this Higgs Bosun particle. Its innate abilities do correlate perfectly with what we believe God to be and what has been described in the Bible, an unseen yet ever present presence of creationary force. Seriously, you couldn't figure that out on your own? At the risk of being debased by fundamentalist religions like Catholicism or the Baptists I have always believed that God is a sentient mass of sparsely dispersed, universal wide atomic particles. I'm happy to see that science has more or less given my beliefs much more plausibility.

God is not the only God. If it correlates with God, it correlates with hundreds of other deities.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

If I might interject a notion here the discovery of the Higgs-Bosun particle should scientifically quantify the existence of the creationary force we call God on this planet.

This makes no sense, the Higgs-Boson particle, commonly referred to as the "God" particle is only called that because the original name (God damn particle on account of it being so small and hard to find) was not used because some believed it to be too crass

You've never heard of the Higgs Bosun particle? Basically two scientists named Higgs and Bosun discovered a particle of subatomic matter with the ability to create matter. Everything in the universe is made up of atomic particles, right? Well, how would ancient peoples know about this level of scientific fact? It is my belief that what humanity terms God is this Higgs Bosun particle. Its innate abilities do correlate perfectly with what we believe God to be and what has been described in the Bible, an unseen yet ever present presence of creationary force. Seriously, you couldn't figure that out on your own? At the risk of being debased by fundamentalist religions like Catholicism or the Baptists I have always believed that God is a sentient mass of sparsely dispersed, universal wide atomic particles. I'm happy to see that science has more or less given my beliefs much more plausibility.

While I agree with you in the sense that I believe God is everywhere and is the multi-verse you have a fundamentally flawed understanding of what the Higgs-Boson particle is and what it means. Detection of the particle confirmed the existence of the Higgs field which was first postulated by Peter Higgs and it was not discovered by him. Essentially the Higgs field explains why some particles which should have no mass do indeed have a mass. The Higgs-Boson particle was discovered after creation of the CERN super-collider. The Higgs-Boson particle is also the first elementary scalar particle discovered in nature, and they are still trying to determine if more than one type of Higgs-Boson exist. In the Standard Model, the Higgs particle is a boson with no spin, electric charge, or colour charge. It is also very unstable, decaying into other particles almost immediately. The particle itself is extremely important in the weak force of all objects.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It did not necessarily have a beginning, and as it continually expands no end. Some of those who believe in the BBT also believe that before the universe existed there was no existence of time yet, only a singularity (of infinite density). This infinite singularity presumably had no beginning (cause without time there is no beginning) which could be considered the spawn of creation. One could put that as the starting point that always existed, or in more of human psyche terms the God. Could it be just as likely the initial singularity always existed, much the way that religious folks think of in terms of a God who has always existed?

sounds like there's no certain answer. can we agree that the universe as we know it (space, time, dark energy, dark matter) started with the big bang and all this was a phenomenon beginning 13.7 billion years ago? if this is the case, whatever is beyond 13.7 billion years into the past is beyond what we can discover, for now, before any point if singularity even, means that it was before the universe as we know it existed.

 

[jaqua99]

To me, God is an embodiment construct of all there is. Literally. I personally believe the brain to be a receiver of consciousness, Everything we know of is all subjective in a way. Everything we know to be true is within our own experience. The knowledge taught and read by others, the knowledge of the universe, all within our individual experience. Turn that off for everything, and what can there possibly be? Just waves of atoms and energy, there isn't any science to label physical clusters of atoms, these are all things we've learned and created through our conscious experience of the universe using our 5 physical senses. If there isn't any consciousness in the universe at all, then there is no way anything can be experienced or perceived and there is no way to perceive these clusters of energy as matter, therefor there is no reality to be created.

The idea that each of us has an entire universe within each of us through consciousness, and believing that we are all part of a greater collective, the conscious universe is what I try to describe.

I think this is the general fundamental of all spiritual and religious beliefs come from. This collective consciousness that brings all into existence, this would be "God", in my views, it's the conscious universe, or "god", in someone else's it's singularity. Everything is subjective. Our lives are subjective, period.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

^I would relate to that to a certain extent. I think our intellect is reflected in the universe, but I'm not with the notion that god is its own creation (the universe)

 

[Marvolo]

 

[Greens]

I accept all of those gifs except the last one :P

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Happy Resurrection Day to all the Hype christians!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I accept all of those gifs except the last one :P

i may not agree with the second to last one either, but i'm not sure

 

[DarkSentinel]

Happy Easter to all my fellow Christians in the thread. To all those who are not, a happy Sunday to you regardless.

 

[DarkSentinel]

i may not agree with the second to last one either, but i'm not sure

Don't Muslims prescribe to the "stunt double" theory, as it were?

Not making fun, promise.

 

[Apollo]

Happy Easter!!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Don't Muslims prescribe to the "stunt double" theory, as it were?

Not making fun, promise.

it's all good, and yeah something like that. but it's not universally agreed upon. I think the firm belief was that jesus was not crucified, was brought up to paradise for safe keeping [BLACKOUT]until the anti-christ shows up[/BLACKOUT] unbeknownst to his haters, and it was made to appear as though he was crucified.

but then comes the disagreeing arguments. some will leave it at that, and some will say god altered judas's or one of the mercenaries's face who hunting jesus to look like him and captured and crucified him.

I believe what's certain is that jesus was not crucified according to islam.

 

[Greens]

Chops to the Muslims for crafting an even less credible Jesus story!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Chops to the Muslims for crafting an even less credible Jesus story!

we don't exactly consider it "crafted", greens.

 

[Apollo]

I recall reading a discussion about some Islamic and Gnostic Christian ideas like this where in one point of view Jesus really can't be crucified because he is Spirit. You can't crucify spirit. Therefore when his earthly body was crucified his true self (spirit) was not harmed in any way. So by saying he was killed would be inncorrect from that point of view since Jesus wasn't his earthly body. And that a likeness/an imposter got crucified instead. And that would be his earthly body and not his true spiritual self. Which I find to be an interesting way to look at it.