The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[DrStrange]

Can somebody explain to me the whole hologram and Wells duplicating himself part. I didn't really understand what or how he did it when he was talking to Cisco before killing him.

RF can basically vibrate so fast that he can create a the optical illusion of being in two places at the same time. So while he was beating the hell out of himself he was basically throwing punches and then moving so fast that he'd be on the other end of that fist.

In the comics he can hold another image for a while. And even send vibrations through time that can appear as himself.

As far as the machine goes. That was basically all a rue. It was never able to hold a speedster. I'm sure Well's just made the numbers look like they were going to work to throw off Cisco

 

[Mikelus]

I'm so happy right now, not only because my theory about Reverse Flash was completely right, but because we now have confirmation that Wells is THAWNE and I never have to read another ridiculous "theory" about him being "Future Barry" again!!!!

Ditto! And good riddance!

Damn, so basically they combined the character of Eobard Thawne and Hunter Zoloman to create Harrison Wells [The Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom] outstanding.

Last year, I wrote a comment about this Thawne/Zolomon amalgam, it's an interesting mix: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30274985&postcount=375

Same page bro. For once I totally called this, from the holograms to Wells being Thawne, Eddie being an ancestor, to Nora's death being accidental.

Man that's a first. Feels good. Can't wait to see where it all goes from here.

Next prediction, although someone else has already said it - Barry ends up killing RF to save Iris.

It could happen, unless they don't want to make Barry a killer. If that's the case, they could use Farooq's blood (ep. 7) to absorb the RF's superspeed and defeat him.

 

[Batmannerism]

Still got that warm feeling of calling it right - although big ups to everyone else who did too.

Anyway, we won't get the Flash episode 15 until later today, but I managed
to catch this on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dx0pmAn2Fs

Man, they are making RF into one epic villain - I love that he's not utterly remorseless, just obsessed with escaping back to his own time. Great performance by Cavanaugh, and definitely a contender for best live action
DC comics villain of all time.

I'm sure Cisco will be back (somehow) but in the meantime, I'm looking forward to the eventual reveal to Barry.

Ironic, that in the show the Reverse Flash has effectively created the Flash - his own nemesis. I suppose that was intentional, as he needs the Flash to be able to time travel again - however, if they keep with the comics, this ultimately means that RF has created the means of his own destruction.

This looks a bit like a predestination paradox - anyone with a better understanding of temporal mechanics (or maybe has watched more Dr Who) care to comment ?

Anyway, Flash is raising the bar every week with the RF plot (yeah the Rogues are a bit cheesy and OTT, but you need a bit of that occasionally).

 

[Comic Book Guy]

I think Eddie will become a Hunter Zolomon/Cobalt Blue hybrid villain.

 

[Cain]

Yeah it's like I said way back in the second post in this very thread. Eddie is gonna get a loose adaptation of the Hunter Zolomon story. That's gonna kick off the multi generational Thawne/Allen feud. Reverse Flash is inadvertently becoming a legacy mantle in reverse.

 

[BestGirl]

Wells is probably the best part of this show. We're fortunate the lead and his arch-nemesis have been cast so well.

 

[vantheman77]

I wonder if Wells is signed for the 2nd season.

 

[IAmAsgardian]

I've seen comments about how people don't like Wells all of a sudden because now he is definitely a villain, but I love him even more now that everything is exactly the way we expected it to be.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[The Infernal]

Yeah it's like I said way back in the second post in this very thread. Eddie is gonna get a loose adaptation of the Hunter Zolomon story. That's gonna kick off the multi generational Thawne/Allen feud. Reverse Flash is inadvertently becoming a legacy mantle in reverse.

It is looking that way. Especially with that recent sizzle reel. Though it's a shame in a way as I like Eddie. Though I want to see where they take his character I don't want him to be irredeemable either. Leave that for Wells/Eobard.

Wells is probably the best part of this show. We're fortunate the lead and his arch-nemesis have been cast so well.

Yeah. Cavanaugh really nailed Reverse Flash. Valdes as Cisco also had some good moments this past episode too.

I wonder if Wells is signed for the 2nd season.

Doubtless, I would say. They may defeat the RF by season's end, but no way would they kill him off. Certainly not after how well he's been doing.

 

[Batmannerism]

It is looking that way. Especially with that recent sizzle reel. Though it's a shame in a way as I like Eddie. Though I want to see where they take his character I don't want him to be irredeemable either. Leave that for Wells/Eobard.



Yeah. Cavanaugh really nailed Reverse Flash. Valdes as Cisco also had some good moments this past episode too.



Doubtless, I would say. They may defeat the RF by season's end, but no way would they kill him off. Certainly not after how well he's been doing.

Even if Barry did kill RF, due to the wonders of time-travel it's possible that he could appear again ( as happened in the classic "Once and Future Flash " story, where Thawne confronts Wally West after Barry's death and
also chronologically after his own death at Barry's hands, although obviously before his death - in terms of his own subjective time. Man, time travel stories are confusing and wonderful at the same time).

That would make for a very cool episode. However, as many have said, clearly RF is too good a villain to be killed off anytime soon (let's hope).

I agree with everyone else who's found Wells/RF more captivating as the series has progressed - can't remember when a character has been teased so effectively, they give us just enough to want to keep coming back.

As for his progression to full-fledged villain, had to happen sooner or later, although that might all be undone by next week's continuation of the time travel episode - which allows the audience the knowledge of his true identity, while also allowing Cisco to be alive. It isn't without regret that he kills Cisco, which still lets us believe he's not totally irredeemable. A great job by both the writers and Cavanaugh.


Few shows are this good in their first season - certainly not superhero shows.

 

[vantheman77]

I hope they touch on Wells being a fan of Barry's back in his future time.

His Reverse-Flash suit is among the best. Maybe he will turn Eddie into an RF?!

 

[chamber-music]

I wonder of Eddie's suit will be blue and white

 

[TeeKay]

RF can basically vibrate so fast that he can create a the optical illusion of being in two places at the same time. So while he was beating the hell out of himself he was basically throwing punches and then moving so fast that he'd be on the other end of that fist.

In the comics he can hold another image for a while. And even send vibrations through time that can appear as himself.

As far as the machine goes. That was basically all a rue. It was never able to hold a speedster. I'm sure Well's just made the numbers look like they were going to work to throw off Cisco

Thanks. Its funny that Dr Wells beat himself up. That's sadisticnand scary thing to do to cover his own tracks.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I am still little confused to just how far into the future Wells is from?

he talks as if he's from 100's of years into the future (like the way he told Cisco, that he's been dead to centuries, to him)

so, Barry wouldn't still be his Flash in the future, so, way go back and try to kill him as a boy? I get that it all starts with him, and with out him all future generations wouldn't probably following in his foot steps, but, still

 

[godisawesome]

I think this Thawne is less a combination of the comics counterpart and Zoloman and more just a recreation of the Reverse Flash as written in Return of Barry Allen by Mark Waid. He has just a bit more of a grasp on reality than the recent versions of the character, has a kind of fanboy style edge to him that matches that RF, and apparently went back in time to kill Barry as a kid, which I think may end up tying into RF's knowledge of his death at the hands of a Flash.

And I like how they established that he doesn't quite seem immune to the changes to the time stream and the consequences of time travel. This may change in the next few episodes, but he seems to have been trapped in the past and might have his speed's fluctuation tied into Barry's because of the time stream.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Ya know, it's pretty funny how shocked everyone has been with each revelation about Wells. I mean, we've seen him doing devious and even evil things since the first couple of episodes in the show and we knew from the first episode that he had knowledge of the future. Then when it's revealed that he's the RF, everyone is like OMG! And then in this last episode, he reveals that his real name is Eobard Thawne, and again, everyone is like OMG! I'm not trying to be a dick here, I admittedly had the same reactions. But after thinking about it, I'm kinda like, "Why was I surprised?" LOL, it's funny how we're so used to the obvious being a red herring that when the obvious answer is right in front of us, we keep assuming something else is going on.

 

[DrStrange]

I am still little confused to just how far into the future Wells is from?

he talks as if he's from 100's of years into the future (like the way he told Cisco, that he's been dead to centuries, to him)

so, Barry wouldn't still be his Flash in the future, so, way go back and try to kill him as a boy? I get that it all starts with him, and with out him all future generations wouldn't probably following in his foot steps, but, still

Thawne is from the 25th Century so he's from the 2400's.
You should read the comics or do a little research online. Basically Thawne goes back in time pretty frequently. I don't want to ruin the season for you but there are reasons for him coming back this far that are in the comics and do line up with the show

 

[DigificWriter]

I think this Thawne is less a combination of the comics counterpart and Zoloman and more just a recreation of the Reverse Flash as written in Return of Barry Allen by Mark Waid. He has just a bit more of a grasp on reality than the recent versions of the character, has a kind of fanboy style edge to him that matches that RF, and apparently went back in time to kill Barry as a kid, which I think may end up tying into RF's knowledge of his death at the hands of a Flash.

And I like how they established that he doesn't quite seem immune to the changes to the time stream and the consequences of time travel. This may change in the next few episodes, but he seems to have been trapped in the past and might have his speed's fluctuation tied into Barry's because of the time stream.

Based on everything we know, I'm convinced of two things:
1) That newspaper headline has something to do with the circumstances under which both Barry and Wells/Thawne went back in time
2) Wells/Thawne was trying to kill Adult!Barry that night in the Allen household, with Nora and Child!Barry getting caught in the crossfire

 

[Casval]

Now I'm wondering who they'll cast to play the younger version of Eobard Thawne (it could happen, at some point).

 

[DrStrange]

Ironic, that in the show the Reverse Flash has effectively created the Flash - his own nemesis. I suppose that was intentional, as he needs the Flash to be able to time travel again - however, if they keep with the comics, this ultimately means that RF has created the means of his own destruction.

This looks a bit like a predestination paradox - anyone with a better understanding of temporal mechanics (or maybe has watched more Dr Who) care to comment ?

So in the comics RF actually becomes what they call a living paradox. Basically, he shouldn't exist but he does anyways. I'm not positive on this but I believe he is able to be a living paradox because of the negative speed force he uses.

This can't be a predestination paradox. We know that Barry becomes the flash whether RF traveled back in time to kill his mom or not. (of course in the flashpoint paradox his mom survives and he never becomes the flash) But we do know Wells knew about the flash before he came back in time. So when he came back it does create another timeline. Thawne still has the chance to kill the flash or escape(whatever he wants to do). Because of this new timeline he doesn't know what's going to happen. but he does have an incredible advantage because he knows what can potentially for the next 400 years.

In the comics though, RF travels back in time to meet Barry. Instead he winds up meeting Wally West and he finds out that he's the nemesis of Flash. Basically driving him crazy to fulfill his destiny and try to rewrite history making him the hero

 

[Charlatan]

This looks a bit like a predestination paradox - anyone with a better understanding of temporal mechanics (or maybe has watched more Dr Who) care to comment ?

 

[DrStrange]

Exactly!

 

[Justin]

it's funny how we're so used to the obvious being a red herring that when the obvious answer is right in front of us, we keep assuming something else is going on.

Exactly that. A lot of comments earlier in the thread said they'd be disappointed if it turned out he was Eobard, because it was just too obvious. But in another way, by making it so obvious, yet always leaving room for it to be something completely different, they made it... not obvious!
There was more speculation over this than if they'd just left it completely open from the beginning, which is a testament to the acting and writing thus far.

Anyway as for Eobard, i read the writer say that he believes himself a "hero" and he's just doing what he feels he needs to do for his agenda. So he's sympathetic and I imagine his scenes with Barry in the finale will be almost father-son like at times. But... guy tried to kill a child, caused mass murder with the PA and has stabbed people in cold blood. He's irredeemable.

As for killing him off. Depends on if the story warrants it. I really didn't want them to kill of Malcolm in Arrow S1, but his plotlines since have damaged his character, not enhanced it. Kill him if it's the right thing to do and Grodd is ready.

 

[JackMercy]

Bottom line is, this show can do whatever it wants with time travel. It's in it's own world...it isn't beholden to Doctor Who, Trek '09, or anything else.

And all the people asking questions about Wells' full motivations...heh. You're not supposed to know everything yet! That's how they keep us watching!

And who's to say those motivations won't change in the future...or the future?