Tom Jane disses Ray Stevenson

[SWAT]

P.s. The Jane versione was stupid and no-Punisher story. It's a loose sequel to Taxi Driver with a man called Frank Castle and stop.

You do know that this was meant as a franchise right?... and it was an origin story? He did't become the Punisher until the very end. He was just seeking revenge in the movie.

and what's with the stop when your done...? doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[Brendan]

P.s. The Jane versione was stupid and no-Punisher story. It's a loose sequel to Taxi Driver with a man called Frank Castle and stop.

I'm sorry but I see absolutely no relation between The Punisher and Taxi Driver.

 

[S. Grundy]

I'm sorry but I see absolutely no relation between The Punisher and Taxi Driver.

Well, they both are Vietnam vets who snap, all be it for different reasons. But that's about as deep as it goes.

 

[dude stannis]

I'm sorry but I see absolutely no relation between The Punisher and Taxi Driver.

There is between the actual Punisher character and Travis Bickle. But as in 2004's Punisher and the film Taxi Driver, agreed no relation whatsoever.

 

[KT7777]

But, Iron Man looked good from the get-go. This did't. Too many problems.
If Jane had stayed onboard we would have gotten Walter Hill to direct it. Not a director who directed an overlong, but pretty decent movie. Who seems to got as much sense about the The Punisher comics as Joel Schumacher had about Batman.
Jane wanted to make a crime drama-esque... a movie that does the character justice. Dark, not coloured like Batman & Robin. When I think Punisher I don't think colour palets, I think darkness- Like you don't know whats in the shadows...
But, I'm not going to say this movie is going to flat out suck... It's still too early. But it doesn't look good. If we're lucky this will genereate a sequel and we'll get the Punisher movie we've ALL been waithing for.

By the way, when the hell are we going to get Year One in TPB?

Don't forget people thought Blade was going to suck and the movie end up surprising everybody

 

[jokerface89]

But, Iron Man looked good from the get-go. This did't. Too many problems.
If Jane had stayed onboard we would have gotten Walter Hill to direct it. Not a director who directed an overlong, but pretty decent movie. Who seems to got as much sense about the The Punisher comics as Joel Schumacher had about Batman.
Jane wanted to make a crime drama-esque... a movie that does the character justice. Dark, not coloured like Batman & Robin. When I think Punisher I don't think colour palets, I think darkness- Like you don't know whats in the shadows...
But, I'm not going to say this movie is going to flat out suck... It's still too early. But it doesn't look good. If we're lucky this will genereate a sequel and we'll get the Punisher movie we've ALL been waithing for.

By the way, when the hell are we going to get Year One in TPB?

There are some good things about that but thomas jane ideas were too different from the punisher on a side note I will say that walter hill if he would follow the comic book ideas could be a great director for the punisher.While Jonathan Hensleigh did throw in some punisher elements from welcome back frank the thing is he did not get character down any better then the director of the 89 version or possibly lexi depending on how war zone turns out.

 

[S. Grundy]

Outside of the changed origin the FBI thing how exactly did Hensleigh not get the character? Castle is basically a man that has lost everything close to him, he's miserable and wants to take that misery out on the people that wronged him.

Plus he didn't make any stupid comment about the character not being able to be in gritty realistic crime film because he is a comic book character. Like Alexander has.

How exactly were Janes ideas different from the character exactly?

 

[jokerface89]

Outside of the changed origin the FBI thing how exactly did Hensleigh not get the character? Castle is basically a man that has lost everything close to him, he's miserable and wants to take that misery out on the people that wronged him.

Plus he didn't make any stupid comment about the character not being able to be in gritty realistic crime film because he is a comic book character. Like Alexander has.

How exactly were Janes ideas different from the character exactly?

Lexi is wrong.The problem with janes ideas is that he wanted the punisher to be like travis brickle but other then the fact there both ex marines they are nothing alike.Travis is psycho who would kill both criminals and innocent people I mean travis had attempted to kill a presidential candidate for no reasson other then to get payback on his ex girlfriend dumping him.Of course franks a cold blooded killer but he is not crazy (unless you push him)and he would never kill any innocent person.Jane made some dumb comments look at the video that started this thread, drunk or not he came off as a *****e.Hensleigh did not understand the reason why frank became the punisher was because when franks family was killed frank had realized that could had been anyone and that some has to protect the innocent from the hoods but Hensleigh had in his movie made the murder seem like it was castles fault and other then the saints and there hitmen the punisher has no real reason to go on fighting crime since he killed the saints.The 04 version punisher has some real out of character parts like castle coming up with that whole make saint kill his wife and friend plot granted lexi has that chandelier bit but thats not the worst thing since back in the 80s castle did do some athletic moves.

 

[S. Grundy]

I can argue the reason Castle became the Punisher in the '04 was because he saw the inadequacy of the law. As for the Frank making Saint kill wife, stuff I thought was a good idea, but executed as well as it could have been. Frank wanted to completely destroy Saint, take everything that he covets away from him before he kills him, so that possibly Saint would feel what Castle felt.

And when Jane said he wanted the sequel to be like Taxi Driver he meant in the dark, gritty, mean, urban film.

 

[Devil]

The 2004's movie was an origin movie, a Year One, a Batman Begins for Punisher. Castle became Punisher only at the end (the fight scene it's real good!) but i'd want to see a very Punisher. Yes, the 2004's movie was good for an origin movie but...I'd want the Punisher!!!

When i see the trailers for this Punisher: War Zone flick i was very excited. This is the Punisher i read for a long long long time.

Tom Jane was good in the first one but now he's not in this and i'm say "well, maybe Stevenson was good like Jane". And from what i seen Stevenson was very good.

I like "Green Street Hooligans", it's very good. And i think Lexi Alexander was a good director. I really look for this one.

If this revealed a bad movie, yes, i'll say "It's bad"; If this revealed a good movie, yes, i'll say "It's good". Now we don't know if the movie will be good or bad, we can only wait and pray for a good, good, good movie of Punisher.

And don't judging never a movie from a trailer. The trailers for Spider-Man 3 are very very good but when i see the movie i don't like him. The trailers for "Burn After Reading", well, for me, are simples (like the Punisher: War Zone) but when i see the movie i like him. Don't judging never a movie from a trailer, wait the movie for it.

Now doing this it's very stupid!

 

[CASk8er87]

^^^ ive never seen the word "good" written that many times in a post before...haha!

 

[ObakeTora]

It's more about the loss of hope, than anything else.



I'm not a Tom Jane purist per say, I do like the 2004 film. I like Ray Stevenson, I thought he was a good choice outside of Jane for the character. I know this movie will suck because of bad scripts and a bad director.



Regarding the drinking, anybody that went through what Frank did in the movie or comic, would be hitting the bottle pretty hard. He drank and he plotted, it's not like you saw Frank completely **** faced stumbling all over the place.

I know, I know, but the reason why I nitpick is because I don't want Punisher being type-cast as an alcoholic hero. I was worried his film version would mistakenly evolve in this direction, before someone at LionsGate says,

"hey Tony Stark was a drunk why don't we...."

I nag because I care.

 

[jokerface89]

I can argue the reason Castle became the Punisher in the '04 was because he saw the inadequacy of the law. As for the Frank making Saint kill wife, stuff I thought was a good idea, but executed as well as it could have been. Frank wanted to completely destroy Saint, take everything that he covets away from him before he kills him, so that possibly Saint would feel what Castle felt.

And when Jane said he wanted the sequel to be like Taxi Driver he meant in the dark, gritty, mean, urban film.

That can be a good rebuttal to my why castle became the punisher.Even though that was a good idea to destory saint from the inside before killing him the thing is the punisher does not waste his time making plots and make them kill each other when he can kill them now.I'm pretty sure that I heard jane wanted to base the punisher after travis.

 

[S. Grundy]

That can be a good rebuttal to my why castle became the punisher.Even though that was a good idea to destory saint from the inside before killing him the thing is the punisher does not waste his time making plots and make them kill each other when he can kill them now.I'm pretty sure that I heard jane wanted to base the punisher after travis.

Well it was personal, you could say he truly punished Saint by destroying his business, and making him believe his friend and wife had betrayed him and having their pointless deaths (pointless in Saint's eyes, they deserved to die) on Saint's conscience as he dies his fiery death.

I do think it could have been executed a little better in the movie, but I think it works good enough.

 

[jokerface89]

Even though that idea does not work for the punisher it was a good concept and I do like that idea.It still works if you view the punisher 04 version as more of a revenge flick.

 

[juggalo5050]

I realy think if the budget on the 04 film had been bigger then obviously it would have been a better movie,but I believe it was a frank castle film,not a punisher film

 

[S. Grundy]

Yeah, a lot of the action beats had to be cut down or cut completely because of the budget. There was some good stuff that in the earlier drafts that if budget allowed, I think people wouldn't have had much of a problem with it. Florida not with standing.

 

[KT7777]

I can argue the reason Castle became the Punisher in the '04 was because he saw the inadequacy of the law. As for the Frank making Saint kill wife, stuff I thought was a good idea, but executed as well as it could have been. Frank wanted to completely destroy Saint, take everything that he covets away from him before he kills him, so that possibly Saint would feel what Castle felt.

And when Jane said he wanted the sequel to be like Taxi Driver he meant in the dark, gritty, mean, urban film.

If you take the name Punisher off the 04 film it's a good revenge movie.But add the name,then they miss the mark(which could had redeemed it self with a sequel.but without Henslegh directing)Plus what made you think that this film won't be gritty?

 

[S. Grundy]

All the neon.

 

[Devil]

All the neon.

They are an homage at the Punisher comics. Steve Gainer dixit.

 

[KT7777]

They are an homage at the Punisher comics. Steve Gainer dixit.

Thanks buddyThey just trying to make it look like the MAX and they did a great job tooDEC 5TH THE PUNISHMENT BEGINS.........

 

[KT7777]

All the neon.

That's it?Come on Grundy,the movie might surprise you DEC 5TH THE PUNISHMENT BEGINS.......

 

[S. Grundy]

They are an homage at the Punisher comics. Steve Gainer dixit.

Look through the comics, about a handful of the panels actually have that completely red or green coloring. The rest is colored normally, and not yellow or "neon" colored.

To base the lighting off of a few panels of the comic was in my opinion the wrong direction.

 

[marcvader]

Look through the comics, about a handful of the panels actually have that completely red or green coloring. The rest is colored normally, and not yellow or "neon" colored.

To base the lighting off of a few panels of the comic was in my opinion the wrong direction.

So is the entire movie shot in those colors or are we to base the lighting for the entire movie off of just a few scenes from a trailer?

 

[S. Grundy]

So is the entire movie shot in those colors or are we to base the lighting for the entire movie off of just a few scenes from a trailer?

Well, no obviously the daylight scenes are going to be lite differently. But, the guy even said in an interview they lite entire city blocks with neon.