Total Recall (Remake) Ok I'm against this one!

[Kanon]

I'm waiting for an explanation on how it could be a coincidince that he goes to recall and:

1) He wants the secret agent implant.
2) The name of the implant is blue sky on Mars.
3) They show Racheal Ticotin on the screen at Recall.
4) They show the aliens on the screen at recall.
5) They show the pyramid on the screen at recall.
6) They show the atmopshere processor on screen at recall.
7) His mission is to go to Mars and save it per the program.

1) He wants that because he still retains something, on subconscious level, of his past life.
2) Granted. Too big a coincidence.
3,4,5,6) That's what we see from Quaid's point of view. The face of the woman is not any woman's face, just a computer generic rendering, until he is falling sleep and start seeing the face of his dream. In the same way, he could be seeing things that he remembers from his life as Hauser, like the aliens, pyramid and machinery that later is stated he knew about.
7) Not the most unusual choice for a spy adventure :P

 

[Advanced Dark]

1) He wants that because he still retains something, on subconscious level, of his past life.
2) Granted. Too big a coincidence.
3,4,5,6) That's what we see from Quaid's point of view. The face of the woman is not any woman's face, just a computer generic rendering, until he is falling sleep and start seeing the face of his dream. In the same way, he could be seeing things that he remembers from his life as Hauser, like the aliens, pyramid and machinery that later is stated he knew about.
7) Not the most unusual choice for a spy adventure :P

Regarding 3-6) Quaid had the dream of the girl before. He had a lust for a girl like that and he told that to recall. So then recall gave him the template which his dreams were layered over. Something went wrong obviously in his brain which took over the program.

I think if it was just 3-6 and nothing else...maybe it could be real. But the Blue Sky on Mars Title, Saving the Planet, being a secret agent in the program, is just too much to shrug off as a coincidince...at least to me as the viewer. Then seeing the alien machine at Rekall on the screens, and the blue sky over mars. Look at that scene again.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Tell me why YOU think it's real. Give me a rational explanation on why you think it's not a dream based on your viewing of the movie.

this is why i don't want to discuss this with you...because you're ASSUMING that i think it's not a dream when i've already told you that i prefer the idea that it was all a dream. my argument isn't that it was real or that it wasn't real...my argument is that it can be taken both ways.

not to mention, you keep asking for explanations....but when i gave you one back on page 5, you didn't reply....which suggests that you completely ignored it along with when i told you that i prefer the 'dream' belief. so screw it...i'm done with you. you're not out for enlightenment, you're out to try to prove something that can't be proven...and i don't want any part of it.

end of discussion.

 

[Advanced Dark]

you're not out for enlightenment, you're out to try to prove something that can't be proven...and i don't want any part of it.

end of discussion.

Are you here to enlighten me? All you said before is the director said so, and that everything else is a coincidience and that I'm stubborn because I won't consider it. I never said I wouldn't consider it. I've already been through that and came to my own conclusion based on my own opinion. I have yet to see an explanation the make "ME" believe it's not a dream. Everytime someone gives me a explanation for one part of the movie...something else in the movie overshadows it. If you prefer it's a dream than leave it alone.

 

[dark_b]

make love not war

 

[Bishop2]

This always freaks me out

"Get ready for a SURPRISE!"

 

[strikezone89]

why would you remake this movie.
1. its not that old
2. its not a classic (ex. Gone with the wind, Streetcar Named Desire)
3. The orignal was done perfectly

 

[Advanced Dark]

I think the only reasonable excuse to redo this would be to be 100% faithful to the source and NOT call it Total Recall.

 

[Bishop2]

why would you remake this movie.
1. its not that old
2. its not a classic (ex. Gone with the wind, Streetcar Named Desire)
3. The orignal was done perfectly

Because somebody at The Weinstein Company was watching it late and night and said "Needs more CGI."

 

[Kanon]

Regarding 3-6) Quaid had the dream of the girl before. He had a lust for a girl like that and he told that to recall. So then recall gave him the template which his dreams were layered over. Something went wrong obviously in his brain which took over the program.

So now you are saying that the girl's face doesn't come from the program but from Quaid's mind?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Quaid had the dream of the girl. Then he told Recall what he wanted his girl (in the implant to look like). So then recall programmed her in. Obviously it wasn't a photograph on the screen but a computerized image of what he asked for. A template that looked in general like the character. Then in his dream his mind fleshed out the characters.

 

[Kanon]

Quaid had the dream of the girl. Then he told Recall what he wanted his girl (in the implant to look like). So then recall programmed her in. Obviously it wasn't a photograph on the screen but a computerized image of what he asked for. A template that looked in general like the character. Then in his dream his mind fleshed out the characters.

Ok, but as viewers we see the actual face of the woman on the screen, when Quaid is on the chair, so if the face in the screen is just a computer rendering, and it turns into the woman because Quaid sees her like that, or somehow his mind feeds the program, then the same can be said of the piramid, the aliens, etc.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I'm don't think it's Quaid seeing that on the screen but more of the Implant and Dreams merging together as he's falling asleep. Overlaying one another. He sees what he wants to see. His mind took over the program basically. He was in total control but didn't know it.

 

[Kanon]

I'm don't think it's Quaid seeing that on the screen but more of the Implant and Dreams merging together as he's falling asleep. Overlaying one another. He sees what he wants to see. His mind took over the program basically. He was in total control but didn't know it.

And maybe the piramids, machinery and aliens was the same case: his memories (of Hauser) proyecting over the data from the program.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Perhaps but don't forget the guy at Recall spoke outloud and said "Blue Sky on Mars...that's a new one."



You can't leave so many layers unanswered...it's too much for the viewer to assume. If that the recall guy had not said that then I'd agree with you.

 

[lou2099]

I think the only reasonable excuse to redo this would be to be 100% faithful to the source and NOT call it Total Recall.

Then they should call it We Can Remember it for You Wholesale, to be disassociated with the Arnold/Verhoven movie. And keep the original character's name which was Douglas Quail (not with a "d") and cast someone with better acting chops.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Then they should call it We Can Remember it for You Wholesale, to be disassociated with the Arnold/Verhoven movie.

That'd be nice but it's suffer at the box office from the title. People are shallow in general you know. Let's think up some titles here. That's a obvious one, as is Blue Sky on Mars.

Maybe just Recall

 

[Kanon]

Perhaps but don't forget the guy at Recall spoke outloud and said "Blue Sky on Mars...that's a new one."

Of course, that's because I said "Granted. Too big a coincidence."

I like the idea of both possibilities... but I tend to believe it was real, cause I love the irony of the idea that the dream they were going to implant was so similar to what turns out later, if true...

I haven't watched the movie in about a month, or so, so I can't remember clearly, but what about the scenes of events where Quaid is not present? It's ok to consider them part of the dream?

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Most dream sequences on film deviate from the perspective of the person having the dream. The implant is a story and Quaid was the lead. So perhaps his dream would be like an interactive story like the cut scenes in video games. You don't participate in those parts...you just watch.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I liked War Of The Worlds remake...of course I found the original boring.

 

[LexCorp]

"Get ready for a SURPRISE!"

Freaked me out

 

[Midnhtsun]

^ Most dream sequences on film deviate from the perspective of the person having the dream. The implant is a story and Quaid was the lead. So perhaps his dream would be like an interactive story like the cut scenes in video games. You don't participate in those parts...you just watch.

Just watched it again last night finally. Like Kanon said above about if its a dream then why are there scenes of what other people are doing? Then it really cant be a dream. This is my biggest argument for it being real.

Your theory of deviating from the dream with "cutscene" is too large of an assumption, mainly because the movie gives nothing to support this.

Blue skies is a really big coincidence, but a smoking gun, Im really not sure that alone is enough to prove one way or another.

During the news report at the begging wasnt there mention of alien artifacts on Mars? I dont remember exactly, but the explanation of the pyramid on the screen in Rekal can easily be explained that it was common knowledge, but thats given alien artifacts were mentioned early on like i think it was.

But one interesting thing I noticed during the chase scene in the cabs. Right before during the on foot chase scene they have only the hand guns, but once they get into the cabs the bad guys pull out on large gun, one that would have been to large to have not noticed. So guns popping out of no where? hints at a dream. Also I dont remember any of the guns ever running out of ammo, hints once again to a dream.

 

[Tempest19]

Yay! Definitely Needed!

Not!