Transformers Transformers 2 Info + Why The Movie Designs Are Different From G1

[CFlash]

From what I remember the look of the gobots where even more simplified than transformers...God I hated those things!!

Yeah I pretty much turned Pearl Harbor off half way through...which was mostly because of the story line, and that hack Ben Affleck...

And even though the Island was visual stunning...it was pretty much logans run with a twist.

I hope Spielberg puts enough of his fingerprint on this one to make it worthwhile. I really think WOTW would of been a better movie with a different lead actor...tom cruise pretty much ruined it for me.

Well, we agree on something I guess. (Tho I don't really mind either Cruise or Afflek... they're both the leads in a couple of my favorite movies of all time: Vanilla Sky and Chasing Amy/Mallrats).

And The Island was visualling stunning, yes. As in stunning that it was so unbelievingly cartoony. The falling from the building, no scratches on them, makes me involuntarily roll my eyes so hard it hurts.

As for Gobots, I turn your attention to this (in case it needs pointing out: the top is movie Starscream. The bottom is a Gobot Renegade circa 1985):

Problem #1

There's a very similar Gobot twin for Monster-Megatron.

 

[nosebleed.]

Maybe we'll have to have the "everytime they do a slow-motion shot" you have to drink for this one!!! I'm thinking I'll be wasted by the time the movie is over.

I'm down...CFlash hosts.

 

[CFlash]

The writer you're referring to is definitely a hack, but he's a hack that was surrounded by two other guys who are much better writers than he is. And I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure he only contributed to the story and not the actual screenplay. His damage is most likely to be minimal (if at all).

Also, Don Murphy did produce LXG, but he also produced Bully and Natural Born Killers. Just want to make sure we acknowledge that he's not ALL bad.

Not sure what you mean by "surrounded by." John Rogers wrote the screenplay that was greenlit by the studio, storyboarded and presented to investors by himself. It was then taken to Michael Bay and his guys (Orci and Kurtzman) touched up, revised, etc. The BASIC PLOTLINE, subtext, and core of the screenplay is still exactly the same.
If it wasn't the same, John Rogers would be getting zero credit.

Natural Born Killers??? Ask Quentin Tarantino (he wrote it) what he thinks about the screenplay that he feels Don Murphy (personally) had massacred and ruined and twisted into something it wasn't suppossed to be.

 

[CFlash]

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Originally Posted by Modernize73
Maybe we'll have to have the "everytime they do a slow-motion shot" you have to drink for this one!!! I'm thinking I'll be wasted by the time the movie is over.


I'm down...CFlash hosts.

Add to that how many times the audience sucks their teeth at cheesy dialogue....... or cheers when they should otherwise be cringing at death and destruction (like they did in so many of the scenes in Pearl Harbor).

I'm down. Actually, wait, no I'm not.

 

[Crimson King]

Not sure what you mean by "surrounded by." John Rogers wrote the screenplay that was greenlit by the studio, storyboarded and presented to investors by himself. It was then taken to Michael Bay and his guys (Orci and Kurtzman) touched up, revised, etc. The BASIC PLOTLINE, subtext, and core of the screenplay is still exactly the same.
If it wasn't the same, John Rogers would be getting zero credit.

Natural Born Killers??? Ask Quentin Tarantino (he wrote it) what he thinks about the screenplay that he feels Don Murphy (personally) had massacred and ruined and twisted into something it wasn't suppossed to be.

What I mean by that is he's not solely responsible for the content. He has others around him that are better. I know imdb can sometimes be hacked, but right now Rogers is listed last, and only given story credit, not screenplay.

Also, you have to admit that the screenplay you've read (I'm assuming you read it based on your comment) is pretty old. And the argument that "everything I've seen in the trailers backs up the old script" just doesn't hold water. We haven't seen dialog in the trailers. Dialog can do a WHOLE lot towards improving a story.

 

[blind_fury]

No, Rogers definitely has screenplay credit.

 

[blind_fury]

Well said... but that being brought out...This is a movie being made for fans of Action Movies first and foremost. People who have never been a fan or known shred one about transformers will come see this movie . Back in the eighties the audience was 10 year olds getting home from school. Provide the same story, and you get a pokemon movie...

Action movies fail without good characterizations or an engaging story. LXG was an action movie first and foremost. It was also a complete waste of time. I don't care how much money Don Murphy made, it was a complete waste.

I cannot believe people are still complaining about the character designs...Prime looks tougher than he ever has. And even though I was a lil concerned about most charaters, they are turning out great. That pic initial pic of bonecrusher was crap...but in the TV spot he looks like a wicked bada$$...and ultimately sickly scary!!! I'll save my impression of megatron until I see him in action. But from the TV spots, I have yet to see anything that didn't just wow me.

I disagree. I'm glad Prime is recognizable but I wouldn't go so far to say he looks tougher or more iconic. The Decepticons look terrible. I don't mind Bonecrusher looking the way he does, but I don't think all the Decepticons need to look like bug-monsters or robotic chickens. This aint Starship Troopers or Godzilla vs Mothra. It's more like the Matrix where some robots mirror humans physically and others have no sign of humanity. I always thought Megatron was creepy when he would smile with those glowing red eyes. Starscream flying under the bridge then grabbing onto the bridge was cool but I think that scene would've been far better if they used the iconic G1 designs and Starscream grinned mischievously after he did it.

This is not a rewrite of Transformers...its a different chapter. And I'm sorry , but a better one. If they would've rolled out those generic designs of 84 they would of failed miserably, and probably looked like a polished up version of robot jox...

It really depends on their movements and mannerisms. I don't see why a Starscream who looks like chicken with the a bugface works perfectly but the iconic G1 design would "result in failure".

I really just people are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

M73 out

I understand why lifelong TF fans would spend so much time debating this movie's direction but I don't understand why others who don't even care for the original characters spend so much time defending Bay's "vision".

 

[CFlash]

What I mean by that is he's not solely responsible for the content. He has others around him that are better. I know imdb can sometimes be hacked, but right now Rogers is listed last, and only given story credit, not screenplay.

Also, you have to admit that the screenplay you've read (I'm assuming you read it based on your comment) is pretty old. And the argument that "everything I've seen in the trailers backs up the old script" just doesn't hold water. We haven't seen dialog in the trailers. Dialog can do a WHOLE lot towards improving a story.

Yeah... and the story at its core is a complete dumbing down of the original TF core mythos.

I agree on your "Dialog" comment. However, there is a very important facet to dialog. It's completely dependent on Direction. And, Michael Bay... well, you know. He's not exactly a master at directing actors...

... Unless, of course, you consider his D.W. Griffith style "raising eyebrows" and "blinking" the apex of modern cinema.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Also, no offense, but The Island (which shares screenwriters) wasn't the pinnacle of dialogue. And Bay, the director, is actually notorious for taking out dialogue and replacing it with more action. This usually ends up exhaserbating any plot problems as his films lack the character development and sufficient "lulls" to explain the action.

 

[Cth]

The purpose of adapting the source material is to show audiences why the source material is appealing. You can't do that by revamping the characters and concepts. The stories change the audience not the other way around.

Tell that to the people who made Blade, which brought back the comic book film genre after Batman Forever killed it.

LXG had the invisible man teaming up with Mr. Hyde. Doesn't make it a faithful adaptation.

Y'know why? Cause some screenwriter got the great idea of stealing someone else's story that was similar and slapping LXG on it cause they were lazy. And they were caught and sued for it too.

hmmm. Emphasizing the worst the property has to offer.

Joel Schumacher? Is that you???

If you can honestly say that G1 had no cheese, then you're more of a deluded fanboy than I give you credit for.

When's the last time you've watched the cartoon?

Yeah there were cheesy things in Batman comics too. I guess Nolan should squeeze Bat-Mite into the Dark Knight film.

You said Bay was making an epic film. One idiotic comment deserves another.

You're the one who swears the source material is just short of some Shakespearian story. Even going so far as to toss around the word epic.

It sounds like you're desperately in need of a dictionary. Look up the word epic.

We all know you have this irrationally, borderline insane hatred of Bay. That's fine, but to say he's not attempting to do something epic is proof you don't understand the word.

Visually, it's absolutely epic. Storyline, probably not, but it's got enough of the source material's basic for it to not be called epic.

I would probably adapt the one with the strongest and most loyal fanbase.

Well, maybe you should make films then, right? Oh wait, unless you're rich, you can't do it by yourself. Do you even have any concept of how many people it takes to make a movie? That's pretty ignorant.

Yeah that's a great reason to do crappy, half-assed adaptations.

The truth hurts doesn't it?

You'll always have your toys and comics, so who cares if this one bombs?

You'll even get to get online and do your little angry fanboy dance and show the world that you were right all along. And that's something you'll always have and no one can take away from you

Still focusing on the worst Transforers has to offer? Joel Schumacher would be proud.

Thanks. I'm glad you two know each other so intimately.

Just once, can you be honest enough to admit there was some pretty awful stuff in G1?

If you can't, it's pretty obvious you're just trolling.

because it was easier to cut Jar Jar's screen time?

Nice try, also wrong.

Episode I - 133 min.
Episode II - 142 min.
Episode III - 140 min.

I thought you said it was the fans who made the change. Make up your mind.

haha! Most complaint about Jar Jar didn't come from people who had a casual interest from Star Wars. It came from people who loved Star Wars.

Star Wars fanboys loved Boba Fett that's why he was a major character in the prequels. Not because reviewers praised the character.

Wow, step out of your basement and try talking to people.

As far as people who loved Star Wars, are we talking the comics, the toys, the video games, the books, or just the original film? There's some who loath Return of the Jedi.. do they not count cause they hate one of the films?

Fanboys, you guys crack me up

Are those the same guys who buy up Energon and Armada toys? lolz!

Their standards are pretty low. They're like Batman "fans" who love Batman Forever and that movie resulted in Batman and Robin.

Heh, ignorant of TFW and Seibertron. Not really much of a Transformers fan are you?

Why didn't they go with Go bots?

Yay for defelection arguments. Address the point I brought up unless you're afraid to do so

If it was so popular, why was GI JOE the first choice and is JOE the bigger franchise?

 

[Cth]

Again you attempt to tell people what their opinions ought to be (which by the way is fueling the SHH admins belief that you are a plant). Fans reacted fairly poorly to Catwoman and LXG, but they did not ruin it somehow for casual moviegoers. Fan reaction is the first reaction you get on a film, because they are the only one's who give enough of a sh** to track the film months away. Casual moviegoers and "concerned fans" can only be ruined by a bad product.

Hahaha, oh wow, thanks Formerly-Known-As-Cyclops!

A plant? That's rich.

Taking the Aint it Cool News Talkbacker tactics now..

By all means, put up or shut up. If you're saying a SHH admin thinks that, then please, name them.

Better yet, I'll ask them myself why they chose you to speak for them.

I wonder how they'll react to having someone pretending to be an admin around here. I know you led the X-Men in some RPG, but around here, you're just another board member.

You're piss poor Spider-Man analogies pretty much eat your own logic here. Very very hardcore fans argued against Spider-Man, yet the overall response (from both fans and non fans) was overwhelmingly positive. Transformers is hardly in the same ballpark. Past the designs, past flames, past Bay himself is a clunky script, with poorly designed plot points and movie camp that, in many ways, is worse than Seaspray falling in love with a meremaid.

That is what ruins it for us.

Interesting. You say "very very hardcore fans" and then pretend that same hardcore TF fanbase is the casual fanbase.

I guess we'll see come July 4th who's right, huh?

 

[Cth]

Anyone wana play a quick game of "Out the plant"? Well pretty obviously Modernize73 Yugis BS and Cth are, but who else do you guys think are? I would almost say spideyfan but that guy is bat-**** insain. I think the mods should do thier best to figure out who the plants and and ban the hell outa them, cause if that stuff aint aginst the rules, the it damned well should be.

Hehe, I love this kind of fan reaction

"She's a witch! Burn her!"

I'll make you a bet if you're man enough to do so.

If I'm proven to be a plant, I'll leave.

If I'm not a plant, YOU leave or post a public apology.

I think we all know the answer to this one. Will you have the guts to back up your words or not?

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

Anyone wana play a quick game of "Out the plant"? Well pretty obviously Modernize73 Yugis BS and Cth are, but who else do you guys think are? I would almost say spideyfan but that guy is bat-**** insain. I think the mods should do thier best to figure out who the plants and and ban the hell outa them, cause if that stuff aint aginst the rules, the it damned well should be.

My name is Yūgi's BM thank you very much mister. You know, you're only showing your maturity level by instantly assuming I'm a mole.

"Quick, kill him! He's a opposing view, he MUST BE EVIL!!!!!!!!"

decade: period of 10 years

20 years = 2 decades

And I'm pretty much sure he's talking about Transformer fans as a whole. You're being narrow minded.

Twenty years is two decades, decades is more like forty or fifty years.

I agree with you.
But, when have you ever heard good dialogue in a Michael Bay film?

This'll be my first Michale Bay film.

Yes, I am a virgin, too.

Why is it that any opinion not focused on bashing the movie is automatically under suspicion? Every day I come to this place and most of the time I just want to throw a big sign up in front of people's faces that says, "YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS MOVIE."

Transformers could very well suck. Then again, it could be any number of different adjectives between suck and great. Until the day that you pay your obscene ticket price, however, that adjective is going to remain a mystery to me, you, and everyone else on here. Just relax.

Sweet Golly Miss Molly, A voice of reason!

 

[CFlash]

Now, I convinced Cth is Don Murphy. He writes just like him.

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

Now, I convinced Cth is Don Murphy. He writes just like him.

You really need to get that paranoia checked out dude, it can be pretty annnoying.

 

[jdre_124]

Yeah CFlash your humor is either out there or your just paranoid and its annoying. Anyone who defends the movie is called Michael Bay or Don Murphy. Yes I am Michael Bay. I take this time now to come on these boards to dismiss rumors for I AM MICHAEL BAY MUHAHAHHAH!!!!! WATCH IN HORROR AS I R4PE YOUR CHILDHOOD!! No I'm being over exaggerated to prove how you fanboys treat Michael Bay as the Anti-Christ, Yes Michael Bay has messed up in the past but you have NOT seen this movie yet. I am a fan of the Transformers and I have worries of the film but I'm not running up in arms about the director or the designs. I rather like them. Look at Zack Snyder. He made the wonderful 300 after Dawn of the Dead which was ok but no one would have expected for someone who directed that to create such a great and faithful adaption. Same with Michael Bay, he can make a great Transformers movie if he tries. Go ahead and hold your opinion but we will see who eats there words on July 4th.

 

[YÅ«gi's BM]

Yeah CFlash your humor is either out there or your just paranoid and its annoying. Anyone who defends the movie is called Michael Bay or Don Murphy. Yes I am Michael Bay. I take this time now to come on these boards to dismiss rumors for I AM MICHAEL BAY MUHAHAHHAH!!!!! WATCH IN HORROR AS I R4PE YOUR CHILDHOOD!! No I'm being over exaggerated to prove how you fanboys treat Michael Bay as the Anti-Christ, Yes Michael Bay has messed up in the past but you have NOT seen this movie yet. I am a fan of the Transformers and I have worries of the film but I'm not running up in arms about the director or the designs. I rather like them. Look at Zack Snyder. He made the wonderful 300 after Dawn of the Dead which was ok but no one would have expected for someone who directed that to create such a great and faithful adaption. Same with Michael Bay, he can make a great Transformers movie if he tries. Go ahead and hold your opinion but we will see who eats there words on July 4th.

By the way, I'm the daddy.

 

[blind_fury]

Tell that to the people who made Blade, which brought back the comic book film genre after Batman Forever killed it.

Blade elevated the source material like Battle Star Galctica did.

Bay is giving Transformers the LXG treatment. That's why you Bay drones are focusing on the mindless action instead of the characters or subtext.

Y'know why? Cause some screenwriter got the great idea of stealing someone else's story that was similar and slapping LXG on it cause they were lazy. And they were caught and sued for it too.

Bay is using the same approach as LXG. Distorting the original characters and themes to widen the audience but in doing so he is hiding the true appeal of the original fantasy and concepts.

If you can honestly say that G1 had no cheese, then you're more of a deluded fanboy than I give you credit for.

When's the last time you've watched the cartoon?

Well I'm glad your the first to resort to childish insults. It's a good indicator you have a weak argument to begin with.

Again Batman comics had cheese but there some other stuff there too. I never said there was no cheesy moment in the G1 cartoon, but you keep bringing up Optimus Prime playing basketball as if that's all he ever did in the cartoons. For most of the cartoons, comics, and animated movie Optimus was dignified and honorable.

You're the one who swears the source material is just short of some Shakespearian story. Even going so far as to toss around the word epic.

The characters and concepts reasonated with me like Superman does. Is Superman epic and have Shakespearian themes? Most culture snobs would say no, but then again they never really thought about the characters and themes. They dismiss it automatically simply because it's a cartoon/comic book. Pretty narrow minded huh?

It sounds like you're desperately in need of a dictionary. Look up the word epic.

lolz. You're the one who used the term epic to describe Bayformers, not me. Nice attempt to back peddle though.

We all know you have this irrationally, borderline insane hatred of Bay. That's fine, but to say he's not attempting to do something epic is proof you don't understand the word.

So your saying the source material isn't anything near epic but Bayformers is? What did he add to the Transformers universe that elevates it to epic status? Just because a movie has a big budget and 'splosions doesn't mean it qualifies as epic.

Visually, it's absolutely epic. Storyline, probably not, but it's got enough of the source material's basic for it to not be called epic.

Yeah, Peal Harbor is a "visual epic" and most people despise that movie. But then again the source material (bombing of Pearl Harbor, WWII) didn't have epic potential so I guess Bay's hands were tied.

Admit it, Bay missed the mark. That movie missed the point.

The truth hurts doesn't it?

You'll always have your toys and comics, so who cares if this one bombs?

You don't care. That's why I don't understand why you spend so much time discussing the merits of this film. Did Bay save your cat from a fire or something?

You'll even get to get online and do your little angry fanboy dance and show the world that you were right all along. And that's something you'll always have and no one can take away from you

Yeah and when the movie makes money you will pretend like it means something like the Phantom Menace apologists.

Just once, can you be honest enough to admit there was some pretty awful stuff in G1?

I never said there wasn't. There's bad stuff in Batman comic books too. It's up to the filmmakers to take the Joel Schumacher approach or the Chris Nolan approach.

If you can't, it's pretty obvious you're just trolling.

How am I trolling? By suggesting that Transformers be more like Transformers???

Nice try, also wrong.

Episode I - 133 min.
Episode II - 142 min.
Episode III - 140 min.

I thought you said it was the fans who made the change. Make up your mind.

Are you serious? Everybody who has seen the prequels knows Jar Jar's screen time goes down each prequel. and It's most likely due to the backlash from the fans.

Wow, step out of your basement and try talking to people.

As far as people who loved Star Wars, are we talking the comics, the toys, the video games, the books, or just the original film? There's some who loath Return of the Jedi.. do they not count cause they hate one of the films?

Fanboys, you guys crack me up

Step out of your narrow, unimaginative mind. Then maybe you can come up with a less predictable insult.

Heh, ignorant of TFW and Seibertron. Not really much of a Transformers fan are you?

Just because I don't buy Energon and Armada toys doesn't mean I'm not a true TF fan. It just means I have standards dude.

Yay for defelection arguments. Address the point I brought up unless you're afraid to do so

If it was so popular, why was GI JOE the first choice and is JOE the bigger franchise?

afraid? Don't flatter yourself.

Well I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with GI Joe fans but I will say there's a reason they chose Transformers over Go Bots. So it aint all just about giant robots fighting.

 

[Cth]

Now, I convinced Cth is Don Murphy. He writes just like him.

Heh, gee thanks. Why not slap me around too while you're at it?

Would you like to accept the terms I offered Batx69?

Put up or shut up if you've got the guts.

 

[blind_fury]

Twenty years is two decades, decades is more like forty or fifty years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plural

 

[blind_fury]

You really need to get that paranoia checked out dude, it can be pretty annnoying.

Well Yugi BM, if that's your real name!!! It doesn't make much sense for people to spend so much time attacking fans of a franchise they don't really care about.

I have a passive interest in the Hobbit but if Bay was put in charge of that franchise and started revamping stuff I wouldn't go to a Hobbit foum and attack the fans for opposing the changes. Why would I care?

So the studio plant concern is valid.

 

[Cth]

Blade elevated the source material like Battle Star Galctica did.

And yet, there was a ton of BSG "fans" who were talking boycotts and loathed the direction they were "elevating" things.

So, is this supposed to support your argument any?

Bay is giving Transformers the LXG treatment. That's why you Bay drones are focusing on the mindless action instead of the characters or subtext.

If you say it enough, it'll be true. And be sure to wait for the moment in the film where you're supposed to clap to bring Bumblebee back to life.

Bay is using the same approach as LXG. Distorting the original characters and themes to widen the audience but in doing so he is hiding the true appeal of the original fantasy and concepts.

Which again is what? You keep avoiding the issue and tossing out nebulous terms like "true appeal of the orginal fantasy and concepts"

What that means to YOU is totally different from another fan.

Well I'm glad your the first to resort to childish insults. It's a good indicator you have a weak argument to begin with.

Just thought you might appreciate having your own tactics used against you.

So predictable

Again Batman comics had cheese but there some other stuff there too. I never said there was no cheesy moment in the G1 cartoon, but you keep bringing up Optimus Prime playing basketball as if that's all he ever did in the cartoons. For most of the cartoons, comics, and animated movie Optimus was dignified and honorable.

So again, point blank, if you can be bothered to answer the question.

Did G1 have cheesy moments?

And by your reasoning, if Optimus is mostly dignified in the film and has one of two moments like G1 did, it's faithful.

Keep supporting your argument, it only bolsters my own

So your saying the source material isn't anything near epic but Bayformers is? What did he add to the Transformers universe that elevates it to epic status? Just because a movie has a big budget and 'splosions doesn't mean it qualifies as epic.

Try sticking to what was actually said genius

Define what the word epic means. We'll wait.

Yeah, Peal Harbor is a "visual epic" and most people despise that movie. But then again the source material (bombing of Pearl Harbor, WWII) didn't have epic potential so I guess Bay's hands were tied.

So, does Bay do visual epics or doesn't he? You can't say it's ridiculous and then apply the term yourself. Do you even read what you post?

Admit it, Bay missed the mark. That movie missed the point.

I suppose so, since I never bothered with it, I don't feel I have any business saying it succeeded or not.

So you actually saw it, eh? For someone who hates Bay, you seem to be an authority on him..

You don't care. That's why I don't understand why you spend so much time discussing the merits of this film. Did Bay save your cat from a fire or something?

Who says I don't care? Oh right, YOU do.

There's that whole "say it enough and it'll be true one day" tactic.

If you actually bothered to read what I post, you won't see me discussing the merits of the film as you put it. I generally post to give information or correct false information being spread by "haters"

Yeah and when the movie makes money you will pretend like it means something like the Phantom Menace apologists.

So, which is it? I thought those fans were to be praised for removing Jar Jar and curing cancer and everything else fans are responsible for in the world.

Oh right, have your cake and eat it too, gotcha.

I never said there wasn't. There's bad stuff in Batman comic books too. It's up to the filmmakers to take the Joel Schumacher approach or the Chris Nolan approach.

Both have their problems, admittedly Schumacher having more of them.

Nolan's a great director, but made some horrible choices for BB.

Are you serious? Everybody who has seen the prequels knows Jar Jar's screen time goes down each prequel. and It's most likely due to the backlash from the fans.

Wait, "most likely".. I thought you KNEW that fans were single handedly responsible. Not the soccer moms, not the jocks, etc...

Seriously, if you could pick one argument and stick to it, that'd be great.

Just because I don't buy Energon and Armada toys doesn't mean I'm not a true TF fan. It just means I have standards dude.

There's the problem.

What is a TRUE TF fan?

You might as well be fighting the Crusades and saying you have God on your side and everyone else is wrong.

By belitting other TF fans as not "TRUE TF Fans" you're insulting a lot of people.

afraid? Don't flatter yourself.

Well I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with GI Joe fans but I will say there's a reason they chose Transformers over Go Bots. So it aint all just about watching giant robots fighting.

Ladies and gentlemen, you'll note he avoided the issue again.

It's ok to be scared.

 

[Cth]

Well Yugi BM, if that's your real name!!! It doesn't make much sense for people to spend so much time attacking fans of a franchise they don't really care about.

I have a passive interest in the Hobbit but if Bay was put in charge of that franchise and started revamping stuff I wouldn't go to a Hobbit foum and attack the fans for opposing the changes. Why would I care?

So the studio plant concern is valid.

Ironically enough, most studio plants are from studios who OPPOSE a film's big project.

So if anything, YOU'RE a plant, simply cause studios infiltrate rival company boards and bad mouth films to stir up negative comments.

So, again I ask, if you want to put up or shut up:

If I'm proven to be a plant, I'll leave.
If I'm not proven to be a plant, YOU leave and post a public apology.

I doubt you have the guts to follow through with it.

Prove us all wrong. Unless you're scared.

 

[blind_fury]

Yeah CFlash your humor is either out there or your just paranoid and its annoying. Anyone who defends the movie is called Michael Bay or Don Murphy. Yes I am Michael Bay. I take this time now to come on these boards to dismiss rumors for I AM MICHAEL BAY MUHAHAHHAH!!!!! WATCH IN HORROR AS I R4PE YOUR CHILDHOOD!! No I'm being over exaggerated to prove how you fanboys treat Michael Bay as the Anti-Christ, Yes Michael Bay has messed up in the past but you have NOT seen this movie yet. I am a fan of the Transformers and I have worries of the film but I'm not running up in arms about the director or the designs. I rather like them. Look at Zack Snyder. He made the wonderful 300 after Dawn of the Dead which was ok but no one would have expected for someone who directed that to create such a great and faithful adaption. Same with Michael Bay, he can make a great Transformers movie if he tries. Go ahead and hold your opinion but we will see who eats there words on July 4th.

Bayformers is nothing like 300 or Sin City. .

It's far closer to movies like GINO, Catwoman, LXG, or Batman and Robin.

But you probably love those movies. Plenty of mindless action without much else.

 

[blind_fury]

Ironically enough, most studio plants are from studios who OPPOSE a film's big project.

So if anything, YOU'RE a plant, simply cause studios infiltrate rival company boards and bad mouth films to stir up negative comments.

So, again I ask, if you want to put up or shut up:

If I'm proven to be a plant, I'll leave.
If I'm not proven to be a plant, YOU leave and post a public apology.

I doubt you have the guts to follow through with it.

Prove us all wrong. Unless you're scared.

haha! Yeah actually it makes perfect sense for lifelong TF fans to argue the direction of a Transformers movie. What makes absolutely no sense is why people who have no interest in the characters spend hours attacking fans and defending a movie they have no great interest in.

Highly suspect. If I'm not a fan of Thundercats why would I spend hours debating Thundercats fans?