Transformers Transformers is not Toy Story

[kzupin]

Megs isn't scared of the humans when he lands thats why he dosn't scan an alt earth mode right? Well after what happens at the end of this one wouldn't it make sense for him to scan an alt mode so the "insects" don't know hes still alive and didn't really blow up when dumbed

 

[mMark]

The word you are looking for is "Chrome".

ah, thanks. my english is bad, so bear with me.

 

[November Rain]

Wow. Okay. I read SIMILAR color, not SAME color. My mistake. Sorry, I don't know what an "unprotected head unit" is. I do know there is plating around his head that is meant to resemble Megatrons helmet look. If you really think his legs don't get thicker closer to the feet then I don't know what to tell you. Not to mention I'm going off of movie footage and not an outdated picture with a head design thats no longer accurate.

alright, chill dude...

grey and silver aren't similar, especially in sunlight. that's obvious

there isn't an obvious clunky boot design, the majority of the original transformers had them but they have all been taking out of the design specs for this film so i guess i could really see that as an updating.

alright, post this movie footage to let me compare then, or a screen cap from it.

if you can show me any footage that instantly brings the image of megatron to mind, especially for those who are oblivious to the new movie adaptation then i'll be all for it.

i feel the change to megatron is as important to making bumblebee like red or prime black and white. it makes them unrecognisable

 

[CFlash]

I don't agree with making the Decepticons snarling "monsters" with fangs. If anything, that is more "kiddie" than Toy Story. This is one of the things that set the original Transformers apart from all other cartoons at the time that all had simple-minded evil "monster"-bad-guys.

 

[mMark]

I don't agree with making the Decepticons snarling "monsters" with fangs. If anything, that is more "kiddie" than Toy Story. This is one of the things that set the original Transformers apart from all other cartoons at the time that all had simple-minded evil "monster"-bad-guys.

hmm, i partly agree with you. in fact, it's always cool to have the evil ones came out appearing like good guys at the beginning. They still have chances to fix that in sequences, get a prettier decepticon leader. t:

 

[CFlash]

I don't agree with making the Decepticons snarling "monsters" with fangs. If anything, that is more "kiddie" than Toy Story. This is one of the things that set the original Transformers apart from all other cartoons at the time that all had simple-minded evil "monster"-bad-guys.

hmm, i partly agree with you. in fact, it's always cool to have the evil ones came out appearing like good guys at the beginning. They still have chances to fix that in sequences, get a prettier decepticon leader. t:

It's a bit too late... ALL the Decepticons in the movie are snarling "creatures." This was obviously a purposeful creative decision to go with the Gobots idea of monster bad guys. I guess Michael Bay thought that by dumbing this down he'd be doing his "general audience" a favor.

 

[mMark]

It's a bit too late... ALL the Decepticons in the movie are snarling "creatures." This was obviously a purposeful creative decision to go with the Gobots idea of monster bad guys. I guess Michael Bay thought that by dumbing this down he'd be doing his "general audience" a favor.

but come to think about it. it's probably only gonna work on those who don't know about the transformers story. For general TF fans, it's so easy to tell the good from teh bad just by looking at that little icon or even the color of the eye. unless the movie remove all those classic TF signals.

Maybe Bay's thought about the same questions himself, maybe he's got his reason to do this.

 

[KenK]

Why is it every change made in this film is being seen as "dumbing down"? So the Decepticons look more evil, I'm sorry, but where's the problem in that?

 

[tviceman]

Some of the changes they made border on parody. I think a lot of fans (hardcore and lapsed) will leave the theater wondering why the movie reminded them of that "other" cartoon that nobody really liked.

As you've said and alluded to this over and over again, I don't think many fans will leave thinking they just watched gobots. They may not like certain changes (or all of them because they're stuck in 1985), and they may wish there was more to this movie than meets the eye (haha), but I highly doubt the movie will be bad enough to call it a Gobot movie.

 

[tviceman]

It's a bit too late... ALL the Decepticons in the movie are snarling "creatures." This was obviously a purposeful creative decision to go with the Gobots idea of monster bad guys. I guess Michael Bay thought that by dumbing this down he'd be doing his "general audience" a favor.

Starscream, Blackout, and Frenzy do not look like snarling creatures. And I don't think Megatron looks like a "snarling creature", either. He looks like a very evil, twisted, and convoluted robot. I don't particularly love his new design, but I don't hate it either. I do, however, think his old design was too 1980's.

 

[mMark]

Why is it every change made in this film is being seen as "dumbing down"? So the Decepticons look more evil, I'm sorry, but where's the problem in that?

blame megatron (or his mama), it's all their fault.

 

[mMark]

Starscream, Blackout, and Frenzy do not look like snarling creatures.

I agree I love that blackout design so much. the next best design to prime in my eyes.

 

[November Rain]

i would forgive megatron's design if he was to scan a tank at the end of this film or some sort of weapon that would give him a more iconic looking design in the next film.

 

[lars573]

i think his original design is far more evil, i mean he has a massive cannon on his arm and that nazi styled helmet on him, his design is everybit as iconic as optimus' prime but because it's been changed so many times, this fact has been somewhat neglected.

That's where your mistaken. Megatrons G1 design is not as iconic because they changed it so many times. And the only almost constant design element was his head shape. And even that was tossed when Gigatron was remaned Megatron for RiD. Really the iconic form of Megatron is either a tank or a jet. He's been those alts forms more often than a gun.

Where as with Optimus Prime they's always kept many of the same design elements. The head that has a blue helmet with a central spire and horns on the side. A sometimes complete facemask. And his chest windows. Every incarnation of OP has those elements no matter the alt form (even Optimus "Prime jr." Primal).

 

[CFlash]

Starscream, Blackout, and Frenzy do not look like snarling creatures. And I don't think Megatron looks like a "snarling creature", either. He looks like a very evil, twisted, and convoluted robot. I don't particularly love his new design, but I don't hate it either. I do, however, think his old design was too 1980's.

Starscream is definately animal-like. The original leaked script made it a point to stress his behavior and mannerisms. I do not know if this has changed in the final product. It came off (to me) as a parody considering Starscream was originally intended to be vain and genteel.

A while back a fan made a really high-quality renderings of Megs and Starscream headshots. Megs was completely updated but he looked like himself.

 

[Drizzle]

It's not "Toy Story".


It's more like "Small Soldiers" than anything.

 

[nosebleed.]

This thread is interesting because its all the same stuff that we argued when the designs first came out. I'll respout my previous spouts...

This movie version Optimus Prime is a perfect example of what many G1 fans would find acceptable. Lots have/had issues with the flames, less had issues with him being a longnose...but most have come to accept him. Why? Its because he's RECOGNIZABLE even with his modernization. Why couldn't they have done this for the other bots? The only other one who is slightly recognizable is Jazz. You can say, "Most robots are the same color"...not enough I say. In making the characters unrecognizable they have taken the risk of alienating the fans...and why do that when they successfully combined old and new in Optimus?

 

[DorkyFresh]

i don't think hardcore fans would be complaining so much about the changes to the designs if they were given more lines, more characterization, and more personality.

as far as we can tell, about the only thing that makes these robots "faithful" to their g1 counterparts are their names and their roles (Prime is the leader, BB is the underdog closest to the humans, Starscream is 2nd in command of the decepticons, etc)...their personalities and their history probably won't be as prominent as their cartoon versions.

that's the main complaint...

 

[DorkyFresh]

grey and silver aren't similar, especially in sunlight. that's obvious

gray and silver ARE similar (that's why many people often confuse the 2 colors)...they're just not the SAME. silver is really just a shiny version of gray...

there isn't an obvious clunky boot design, the majority of the original transformers had them but they have all been taking out of the design specs for this film so i guess i could really see that as an updating.

as an artist, i can easily tell that the movie robots kept the "clunky boot" look in tact...even for Megatron. Starscream and Frenzy are about the only robots in the movie that don't have big feet compared to their legs...

...i'll agree with you that Megatron has little resemblance to his cartoon counterpart but you seem to be reaching for dissimilarities.

 

[thegameq]

Why is it every change made in this film is being seen as "dumbing down"? So the Decepticons look more evil, I'm sorry, but where's the problem in that?

I think most were hoping the creative minds behind this film were going to take a more sophisticated approach to this film, i.e., the characters and their actions would define them moreso than their look.

As for the designs themselves, can you say overkill and over-exaggeration? Talk about not getting it. Even the over-exaggerated, ridiculous transformation sequences prove that the people behind this film just didn't get it.

 

[DorkyFresh]

As for the designs themselves, can you say overkill and over-exaggeration? Talk about not getting it. Even the over-exaggerated, ridiculous transformation sequences prove that the people behind this film just didn't get it.

if you think this way after reading the posts in this thread then you're not "getting it" either. when you tell people that they're about see a live action Transformers movie, despite the predetermined expections, everyone wants to see something they've never seen before. if they dumbed down these designs to make them more "faithful" then we'd be seeing the same technology we saw with the robots from Star Wars. yes, there might be hundreds of moving/transforming parts with the movie designs but could you imagine a real car transforming into a technologically advanced being with 10 to 15 parts and movements?

Michael Bay might not get Transformers but the people who keep ripping on the experienced artists and animators who came up with the designs for the TFs don't get how movies work.

 

[tviceman]

A while back a fan made a really high-quality renderings of Megs and Starscream headshots. Megs was completely updated but he looked like himself.

Are these shots still available for me to see?

 

[tviceman]

if you think this way after reading the posts in this thread then you're not "getting it" either. when you tell people that they're about see a live action Transformers movie, despite the predetermined expections, everyone wants to see something they've never seen before. if they dumbed down these designs to make them more "faithful" then we'd be seeing the same technology we saw with the robots from Star Wars. yes, there might be hundreds of moving/transforming parts with the movie designs but could you imagine a real car transforming into a technologically advanced being with 10 to 15 parts and movements?

Michael Bay might not get Transformers but the people who keep ripping on the experienced artists and animators who came up with the designs for the TFs don't get how movies work.

Good post.

 

[CFlash]

Are these shots still available for me to see?

Go to page 16 of the fan manip thread... and then wait, because they're huge files.

 

[Emotiongear]

I have watched transformers cartoons from the very start. Am I happy how this movie is made?

This movie is going to be like Jurassic Park in many ways.
It will do for machinery in movies what Jurassic park did for animals/living beings. After this movie a lot more people will have confidence that they can do more with machines. Not to mention the fact that you CAN do a movie with more than one huge character wrecking havok at one time.

Secondly, I'm sure there are good reasons for making megatron the way he is. I'd rather have a great movie with Megatron looking like that than have a bad movie with megatron being his G1 self.

Finally, I'm VERY grateful Michael Bay is in charge of this. Because he is not a die hard fanboy of the franchise, he has the balls to pull off some crazy entertaining stuff like we are seeing in the trailer as opposed to pleasing all the fanboys and making everyone else go ???!.

Most people doubted this could be done until they say a full size helicopter transform before everyone's eyes and walked around a military base killing people. I am very happy how this movie has turned out. nit picking is useless.
This summer I wanted something I had never seen before. Spidey 3, POTC 3, SHREK 3 etc etc were the same old things. Transformers is what I'm most excited about even with megatron being an alien spaceship.