Sci-Fi Tron Legacy - v2.0

I know what you mean, IMO Tron feels longer because there are parts that shouldnt be in the movie, some scene's go on far too long and should have been cut, in T:L the pacing is spot on IMO, hence why it goes by quicker.
 
VIDEO: ‘Tron’ team reflects on ‘Legacy,’ technology and spirituality

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/22/tron-team-reflects-on-legacy-technology-and-spirituality/
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When it comes to “Tron” and the digital world it led to both on- and off-screen, there’s no bigger expert than Jay West, a guest writer over the past year for Hero Complex on all things considering the Grid. He checks in once again on a pair of L.A. events that illuminated the growing (and glowing) legacy of the 1982 film.

In the month prior to its debut on Blu-ray, the original 1982 “Tron” movie was explored at two landmark Los Angeles events. First was a sold-out 70mm showing at the Aero Theatre on March 5 where its filmmakers discussed the challenges of the film’s production and the development of its pioneering visual effects and techniques. That was followed by the Directors Guild of America on March 12 — where the same group of filmmakers regrouped and further expounded upon the film, there joined by the filmmakers of its visually stunning 2010 sequel: “Tron: Legacy” — which also just premiered on Blu-Ray — and who also discussed their unique challenges in the sequel’s production, and the cutting-edge techniques they utilized to realize the movie’s state-of-the-art visual effects.

The packed screening of “Tron” at the Aero Theatre was both a time of discovery by persons seeing the movie for the first time, as well as a welcome reentry for previous “passengers” into its highly stylized digital fantasy world. There was a “charged atmosphere” (pun not intended but certainly appropriate!) — with hoops, hollers and applause erupting in the audience throughout the movie. After the lights came up, audience members were asked by the filmmakers’ panel moderator — Gene Kozicki of the Visual Effects Society: “How many saw this on the screen for the first time tonight?” — to which about 55% of the audience raised their hands. Another question asked: “Who here was born after 1982?” (the year of the movie’s initial release) — and here too, it was an almost 50/50 ratio, with both men and women of various ages responding.

The “Tron” filmmakers took the stage and engaged the audience with stories of the context and challenging history of how the movie was brought to fruition — and often shared humorous anecdotes.

Here’s the men who brought the original “Tron” movie to life:

Steven Lisberger – writer/director. Lisberger produced and directed award-winning commercials, documentaries and animated programming before creating “Animalympics,” an animated parody of the 1980 Olympic Games that aired as a special during the Summer and Winter Games. He then went on to write and direct the ground-breaking “Tron,” and introduced the world to cyberspace and the pioneering use of computer graphics, virtual sets and back-lit effects. After “Tron,” Lisberger wrote and directed the very low-tech “Hot Pursuit” starring John Cusack, then helmed “Slipstream,” starring Mark Hamill and Bill Paxton. Most recently, he served as a writer and producer of “Tron: Legacy.”

Harrison Ellenshaw – visual effects supervisor. Ellenshaw began his film career in the 1970s as an apprentice matte artist at Disney Studios. In 1974, he created visual effects for “The Man Who Fell To Earth,” then did the matte paintings for “Star Wars” and worked on “The Black Hole,” which received an Oscar nomination for visual effects. In 1980, he supervised matte paintings for “The Empire Strikes Back.” He also worked on “Superman IV,” “Ghost” and “Dick Tracy,” as well as the 3-D theme park film “Captain EO” — which is currently experiencing a renaissance playing at Disney theme parks worldwide. From 1990 to 1996, Ellenshaw headed Buena Vista Visual Effects. He also supervised the first all-digital restoration of a feature film, the classic “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.”

Richard Taylor – visual effects supervisor. Taylor received four Clio awards for his work on the 7UP Bubbles, 7UP Un-Cola and Levi’s Trademark commercials. He worked on “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” and in 1980 became the creative director at Information International Inc. He has been the cinematic director at Electronic Arts and directed cinematic sequences for “The Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle Earth” and its sequel. Recent work includes “Shrek 4,” Turner Classic Movies, Disney and Ubisoft Games. Presently, he is the director of XLNT FX. Taylor serves as vice-chair of the Visual Effects Society.

Bill Kroyer – computer image choreography & storyboards. Kroyer was trained in hand-drawn animation at Disney before taking on the role of Computer Image Choreographer on “Tron.” He pioneered the technique of combining hand-drawn animation with computer animation on projects including his Academy Award-nominated short “Technological Threat” and the animated film “Ferngully: The Last Rainforest.” As senior animation director at Rhythm & Hues Studios, Kroyer directed animation on many commercials, as well as feature films like “Cats and Dogs,” “Garfield” and “Scooby Doo.” He serves as director of Digital Arts at Chapman University and co-chairs the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences’ Science and Technology Council.

John Scheele — technical effects supervisor. Scheele has worked on a number of effects-driven movies and television shows. He served as visual effects consultant on “The Last Starfighter” and handled motion control and visual effects on “Dick Tracy” and “Darkman.” Scheele was a senior visual effects supervisor and vice president of visual effects at Warner Bros. from 1993-1998, and films he worked on at that time included “Batman Forever” and “The Devil’s Advocate.” Scheele has also been the visual effects supervisor on projects such as “World Trade Center” and the 2007 final cut version of “Blade Runner.”

Here now is your “front row seat” via exclusive Hero Complex footage of the filmmakers’ panel at the Aero Theatre event — approximately 25 minutes of highlights from the discussion — with topics including: the inspiration for the story of “Tron”; the limitations of the technology the filmmakers had to deal with — including the use of only one computer on the Disney lot; the reaction by one of Walt Disney’s “Nine Old Men” to a screening of the film; the spiritual components of the movie; and how the movie predicted much of the technology that is used today.

The DGA event “From ‘Tron’ to ‘Tron: Legacy’ – Game Changing Moments in the Art of VFX” occurred the week after the Aero screening and featured a first-time synergy of both directors and filmmakers involved with each film being present for an event. While no video or audio recording was allowed, here is an exclusive Hero Complex photo that commemorates that pivotal gathering.

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Does anyone else think that young Boxleitner looks better than young Bridges? I know he was only in a few scene's but he just looked more convincing to me.
 
Also Clu could create armies almost instantly right? Look at that factory where all those programs were turning into minions. Even if you killed a large army of his he probably would have another one up and running in no time

And: does Clu have the ability to create programs?
No, just repurpose and destroy.
 
I know what you mean, IMO Tron feels longer because there are parts that shouldnt be in the movie, some scene's go on far too long and should have been cut, in T:L the pacing is spot on IMO, hence why it goes by quicker.

Meh. Tron Legacy to me also had pacing problems.
 
Does anyone else think that young Boxleitner looks better than young Bridges? I know he was only in a few scene's but he just looked more convincing to me.
-he never talks in close up
-never alone in a close up

this is what they should have done with Clu.like with Tron. only use close ups for important dialoge . everything else hide him in shadows and in distant shots.

but hey its about ego. in hollywood everything thinks they are the best. so it failed.
 
the student activities board here at SLU is having a showing of Tron Legacy on one of those big inflatable screens tonight.

I thought that was decently cool.
 
-he never talks in close up
-never alone in a close up

this is what they should have done with Clu.like with Tron. only use close ups for important dialoge . everything else hide him in shadows and in distant shots.

but hey its about ego. in hollywood everything thinks they are the best. so it failed.
Or gee...I dunno, it's about ****ing money....how about that.

They couldnt do what they did with Clu to Tron because of how goddamn expensive it would be.

I have no idea where you pulled this from. Because it doesnt make any sense.
 
I remember hearing the reason why Tron/Rinzler never revealed his face in the movie was because originally Rinzler was never meant to be Tron. That subplot was tacked on later. It was reported a year or so before release that the director took the movie up to Pixar (probably at the request of Lasseter) to get their critique/feedback of the movies. That the Pixar guys added in the subplot that Rinzler is now actually Tron. They went back and did reshoots to tie it all up. The director said when he started shooting the film the studio didn't give him a completed script. I love how studios treat new directors! :cmad:

Can you imagine a film without Tron in it, without the Pixar guys we wouldn't have!
 
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Meh. Tron Legacy to me also had pacing problems.

Not as much as the original, IMO Legacy just seemed to flow better.

-he never talks in close up
-never alone in a close up

this is what they should have done with Clu.like with Tron. only use close ups for important dialoge . everything else hide him in shadows and in distant shots.

but hey its about ego. in hollywood everything thinks they are the best. so it failed.


There a close up on Tron were had had dialogue, were he tackles Clu and shouts "Flynn, GO!" We get a close-up of his face when he is talking and it looks amazingly real.
 
I remember hearing the reason why Tron/Rinzler never revealed his face in the movie was because originally Rinzler was never meant to be Tron. That subplot was tacked on later. It was reported a year or so before release that the director took the movie up to Pixar (probably at the request of Lasseter) to get their critique/feedback of the movies. That the Pixar guys added in the subplot that Rinzler is now actually Tron. They went back and did reshoots to tie it all up. The director said when he started shooting the film the studio didn't give him a completed script. I love how studios treat new directors! :cmad:

Can you imagine a film without Tron in it, without the Pixar guys we wouldn't have!

So what was the original reason for Rinzler crashing his Light Jet into Clu? I guess the "Rinzler, take a shot!" dialogue was added to make it seem like Rinzler was hesitating?
 
So what was the original reason for Rinzler crashing his Light Jet into Clu? I guess the "Rinzler, take a shot!" dialogue was added to make it seem like Rinzler was hesitating?

I'm thinking that was added later, maybe originally Rinzler was shot down by Quorra.
 
Or gee...I dunno, it's about ****ing money....how about that.

They couldnt do what they did with Clu to Tron because of how goddamn expensive it would be.

I have no idea where you pulled this from. Because it doesnt make any sense.
i meant that they shouldnt have so many close ups on Clu. they should do Clu like Tron.
 
i don't really see a problem with clu, he's a program, so its not that offputting if he's not 100% realistic
 
I've been saying this for quite a while, but CGI is so easy to tell anyways. Zodiac is the only example where I haven't been able to spot it. People praised Davy Jones and Gollum, but I thought Clu was just as good.
 
He wasnt. But ok.

He was decent. But looked way too much like a cartoon in the opening scene (Kevin)
 
Yeah, decent is about as far as I would go...but I don't know if I'd really even give it that. I really just don't get understand all this praise for Clu I see here; it feels like I must've watched an entirely different cut of the film.

i don't really see a problem with clu, he's a program, so its not that offputting if he's not 100% realistic
People keep saying this, but forget that Kevin looks the exact same way in the beginning and when he's shown throughout. He's suppose to be a complete copy of Kevin; there's nothing in the film to suggest otherwise.
 
He wasnt. But ok.

He was decent. But looked way too much like a cartoon in the opening scene (Kevin)

To be honest, I when I watched that first scene, I honestly thought "his face looks like something outta Polar Express".

Clu really wasn't as good Davy Jones or Gollum, but I think that's an unfair example. Creatures have been always been easier to make CGI and more passable than human CGI.
 
Yeah, decent is about as far as I would go...but I don't know if I'd really even give it that. I really just don't get understand all this praise for Clu I see here; it feels like I must've watched an entirely different cut of the film.

People keep saying this, but forget that Kevin looks the exact same way in the beginning and when he's shown throughout. He's suppose to be a complete copy of Kevin; there's nothing in the film to suggest otherwise.
He's not supposed to...but that's a way I, and other people use to justify the poor CGI at times.
 
Well, yeah, I agree there, but my problems with the pacing were more towards the middle of the the movie, but it picked up.

The middle did get a little slow, but it had got the point were they had to explain the story, so that was expected.
 
In some scenes Clus face looked pretty good but in others it really didn't.

I could at least let Clu slide since it was in a digital world but the younger Kevin Flynn who was in the real world in the beginning stuck out like a sore thumb. They tried to hide it with lighting in some shots but looked terrible at times

Otherwise I loved Tron Legacy and thought a great job was done by all. Can't wait for Tron Uprising or Tron 3.
 
^Thats pretty much my feelings on Clu on the film in general, Clu doesnt distract me from enjoying the movie, but it takes me out of the movie on the odd occasion.
 
Hey all waswondering if any one can help me. Was there a 2 disc special edition released for the film on dvd?
 

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