Tron Legacy

[BlackLantern]

people want to come from sort of intellectual high ground....just saying you don't like a movie isn't enough, you have to come up with some sort of highbrow reason for it to make yourself feel smart

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Tron was also one of the first notable movies about Video Games that I remember, next to The Last Starfighter. Both films helped pioneer CG in motion pictures. But it was far from a game changer. Honestly till recently, it was considered a joke and a disappointment. Most people my age talk highly of it, till they watch it again. That is why this sequel looks so good and cool to me, because it is such an overall improvement, compared to the original.

I don't know your age but I'm 35 and it is one of my favorit movie of all time which I watch every year or two.
Anyway, let's say it was game changer for the "geek" community
I share the same feeling that you about the sequel ( the good and cool part )

 

[Nivek]

I'm around your age, but I stand by what I said, Tron wasn't placed in high regard by a lot of general fans till the last 5-10 years.

 

[dark_b]

the dialoge talk started after i saw the video blog from the slashfilm site.

not because of the two guys from Slashfilm but because Dan. he is optimistic and doesnt have high expectations when it comes to those movies. i dont think that it is ''good'' cheesy.


i just think there was no reason to have this kind of dialoge in the movie. doesnt matter how Tron 20 year ago was. the movie is for everyone and not for 10 fans.

 

[BlackLantern]

slashfilm?? never even heard of it till I started hanging out on the Hype

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I don't know... to be honest, I think people get a little too hung up on dialogue in movies. Granted, there are movies with AWFUL dialogue, but sometimes I seriously wonder what fans expect characters in movies to say. Screenwriters have a tough enough job as it is, trying to make characters' speech feel natural while not making it boring. I think the Internet as a whole has blown up the concept of "bad dialogue" to epic proportions.

It's like with James Cameron's movies. Now, I'm not the biggest Cameron fan, but people who hate him and trash his films (usually before they even watch them), say all the dialogue in his movies is "crap." I don't know... yeah, there are some bad lines here and there, but you can find that in any movie. You can find bad lines in The Dark Knight. You can find bad lines in Casablanca. In Gone With the Wind.

So maybe their comments about the film's dialogue are spot on, but I'll wait and see. Until I hear Clu or Sam say "Mesa day startin pretty okee-day with a brisky morning munchy," I'm not going to panic.

I fully agree.

 

[That-Guy]

Good to know. I just wonder sometimes if any these brilliant dialogue critics that populate the Web have ever even ATTEMPTED to write a screenplay in their lives. It's hard to do... a lot harder than most fanboys understand. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head when I hear that a studio has hired a screenwriter (whose previous work isn't all that impressive or who has never worked in the particular genre before) to rework a script by someone, but I try to keep in mind that professional screenwriters have a better sense of what works in a film than first timers or novelists and comic book writers.

 

[Nivek]

I don't know... to be honest, I think people get a little too hung up on dialogue in movies. Granted, there are movies with AWFUL dialogue, but sometimes I seriously wonder what fans expect characters in movies to say. Screenwriters have a tough enough job as it is, trying to make characters' speech feel natural while not making it boring. I think the Internet as a whole has blown up the concept of "bad dialogue" to epic proportions.

Considering what we refer to as great films (Star Wars, Raiders, LOTR, Star Trek, TDK, Blade Runner), genre fans are the last people who should complain about bad dialogue and delivery IMO. This is a Genre that wallows in material that isn't realistic and often fantastic, why should the delivery sound like something you hear every day?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Screenwriting is neither easy nor difficult I would say. And I think dialogue is easier to write than people think. It's harder because you are trying too hard, which happens to me. It's difficult to write out a script with the whole thing in your head and know where everything goes.

I don't have an exact preference of how dialogue should be written. There's alot of dialogue in films that are just for films and people would never say in the real world. It's fine in films, and depending on where the film takes place or what it's all about. But dialogue like Kevin Smith or Quinten Tarantino is welcome because it feels real, yet they are still able to accomplish good dialogue.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I googled "definition of cheesy" for a better understanding of people feeling and it says : Informal. Of poor quality; shoddy.

It that really what people means by cheesy when talking about movies ?

 

[Nivek]

Smith and Tarantino's dialogue is far removed from being realistic.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Considering what we refer to as great films (Star Wars, Raiders, LOTR, Star Trek, TDK, Blade Runner), genre fans are the last people who should complain about bad dialogue and delivery IMO. This is a Genre that wallows in material that isn't realistic and often fantastic, why should the delivery sound like something you hear every day?

True, genre fan complains more about hair color ( Conan ) or body size ( Wolverin ) or if Thor will wear a helmet or not

 

[Brian Braddock]

Loved the new trailer.

One thing that struck me, after reading all the stuff about Clu looking like Bridges from Starman - I actually think they've modelled him on Bridges from The Fabulous Baker Boys; the hair anyways:-

 

[dark_b]

you think this is real hair or CGI hair? because this is the best CGI hair that i ever saw.

 

[That-Guy]

Smith and Tarantino's dialogue is far removed from being realistic.

Yeah, they tend to insert random conversations about things that essentially don't concern the plot, which is realistic in the sense that real people have multiple things on their mind and therefore, everything we say isn't going to concern the "main plot" of our lives.

However, they take it to the extreme and make sure that the dialogue is also funny and often over the top, which is of course, only something you'd see in a movie. So with them, it kind of goes both ways.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^
I thought the exact same thing save for the best I ever saw, the Na'vi hairs were great too.

 

[dark_b]

to me SMith and Tarantino have artistic dialoge. you know like its art.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I'm watching the Tron: Legacy panel, Michael Sheen is so funny!

 

[Brian Braddock]

you think this is real hair or CGI hair? because this is the best CGI hair that i ever saw.

That's just what I thought when I saw it; the weight, definition, colour, lighting.

Top notch.

 

[Figs]

I googled "definition of cheesy" for a better understanding of people feeling and it says : Informal. Of poor quality; shoddy.

It that really what people means by cheesy when talking about movies ?

Yes. I never bothered to look up the definition but have always used it when I was basically trying to say a movie looks cheap and silly or goofy. I didn't necessarily find anything cheesy in that trailer but I did find that Gozer/David Bowie wannabe in the teaser to be incredibly stupid, the one playing air guitar or something. I hope that fool dies.

 

[dark_b]

I'm watching the Tron: Legacy panel, Michael Sheen is so funny!

can oyu be so good and give us the links

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Yes. I never bothered to look up the definition but have always used it when I was basically trying to say a movie looks cheap and silly or goofy. I didn't necessarily find anything cheesy in that trailer but I did find that Gozer/David Bowie wannabe in the teaser to be incredibly stupid, the one playing air guitar or something. I hope that fool dies.

lol at the Gozer/David Bowie comment
The character is a night club manager and a fixer ( provider of stuff ).

Anyway, if those saying Tron ( the first ) is cheesy as the definition describe it, I disagree at 300%.

 

[Nivek]

I googled "definition of cheesy" for a better understanding of people feeling and it says : Informal. Of poor quality; shoddy.

It that really what people means by cheesy when talking about movies ?

Yeah, pretty much, but personally I don't find "cheesy" as that negative as a term. Many movies I love I would define as "cheesy". Usually, it imply that it's not that serious (tongue in cheek).

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^
that was also how I understood the word before looking up the definition.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

can oyu be so good and give us the links

http://www.movieviral.com/2010/07/2...-of-panel-press-conference-and-flynns-arcade/