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When Flynn jump into MCP he didn't really integrated himself with MCP, he just distract MCP enough so that Tron could destroy him.
The CLU's it's a different thing, the first one was just a program that looked like Flynn, much same as Alan's to Tron. CLU 2, he's different since he's on par with Flynn (minus the creator powers) and he's was created by Flynn IN the Grid so he's like a extension of Flynn you might say.
 
Clu 2.0 didnt look better because Kosinsky and Digital Domain were naive. and becuse they didnt have enough post production time.
again so that it will be clear as day. if you have the MONEY and the TIME you can do everything 100% realistic with CGI.
they used motion capture data from Bridges face. hes face is fat. Clu has a skinnier face. its the same problem like in Beowulf. Winstone is fat ,but Beowulf was muscular and not fat. so when Beowulf was running it looked like a fat guy was running. because Winstone was fat when he was doing motion capture. they were stupid to ignroe this. and it looked bad.

and yes Clu's eyes and mouth looked weird. but look at all the extra skin around Bridges eyes and mouth. it just couldnt work to jump over the uncanny valley.
 
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Clu 2.0 didnt look better because Kosinsky and Digital Domain were naive. and becuse they didnt have enough post production time.
again so that it will be clear as day. if you have the MONEY and the TIME you can do everything 100% realistic with CGI.
they used motion capture data from Bridges face. hes face is fat. Clu has a skinnier face. its the same problem like in Beowulf. Winstone is fat ,but Beowulf was muscular and not fat. so when Beowulf was running it looked like a fat guy was running. because Winstone was fat when he was doing motion capture. they were stupid to ignroe this. and it looked bad.

and yes Clu's eyes and mouth looked weird. but look at all the extra skin around Bridges eyes and mouth. it just couldnt work to jump over the uncanny valley.
1. I refuse to believe we're at a level of 100% realistic CGI - and YES that includes Avatar - the only reason why it wasn't as noticeable is because they're not human, they're not disproportionate and we have virtually no point of comparison.

2. The issue with CLU's mouth and eyes isn't Jeff Bridges having too much skin, it's that they made him exaggerate the movements and emotions so that they could be properly picked up - clearly this wasn't a good move, but I'm just saying, if you're going to blame it on something, at least blame it on the right thing.
 
its not only an underpeformer at the BO. its also an underperformer with the critics and with the general public.
It's doing pretty well with the general public... :huh:

EDIT: Also it hasn't under-performed at the BO yet... you can't make a call like that until it's out of theatres - so far it's doing well. Not incredible, but well.
 
When Flynn jump into MCP he didn't really integrated himself with MCP, he just distract MCP enough so that Tron could destroy him.
The CLU's it's a different thing, the first one was just a program that looked like Flynn, much same as Alan's to Tron. CLU 2, he's different since he's on par with Flynn (minus the creator powers) and he's was created by Flynn IN the Grid so he's like a extension of Flynn you might say.

he jumped inside MCP, and MCP turned from red to blue right? sounds similar enough.

Regardless, i don't understand the logic of how combining himself with clu would kill both so i agree with you there
 
I saw Tron: Legacy today...and I really enjoyed it. It was a very entertaining, visceral popcorn movie.

Now, let me put into context why I liked it. I am not a huge Tron fan. I saw the first movie at least ten years ago (it may have been longer) only once and was not particularly in awe of it. So, I'm very fuzzy about the original. However, the trailers for this one impressed me. Then I heard all the negativity about it being boring, remote, not engaging for the audience, etc. etc. etc. So, I went into the movie with very low expectations.

And I now strongly disagree. This is a movie that's storytelling lacks the restraint of an experienced, confident hand. This is true. And by that I mean it is rough around the edges as a narrative. The lead actor's performance is only serviceable and the first 10-20 minutes can plod instead of titillate the audience about the wonders ahead (kind of more Cameron and less Speilberg in this regard, IMO). But once Sam gets to the games and there is a moment to soak in just how weird this world is and to submerge one's self in it...it begins to click very well.

The narrative is a very simple one. But that is not necessarily a bad thing. Unlike a lot of Hollywood blockbusters that neither try to intellectually or emotionally stimulate the audience (Nolan films are an exception these days) nor leave a lasting impression on the audience...this goes for a very visceral feeling. It is about mood, atmosphere and feeling. And I don't mean just for visuals sake like a boring Michael Bay movie. The whole notion of subverted humanity into the digital world literally personified has an allegorical meaning to me.

In a lot of ways it reminds me of 1980s sci-fi films, and not necessarily the original Tron. It has a punk noir feel to it and can be almost nihilistic in its depiction of man. Clu is a technological recreation of Kevin by Kevin, one that has literally taken over this man's life until it is the only world he knows. The real world, cynically chronicled (in a Disney movie no less!) by Sam as "wars in the Middle East, rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer" is secondary to him. The fantasy makes reality incidental. It reminds me of Ridley Scott films like Blade Runner and Black Rain.

The plot of Blade Runner is not especially complex either, albeit it is draped in symbolism and high artistic intentions that Tron: Legacy never attempts. But it is a story told in the visuals, not in the plot. It probably helps that Daft Punk's score is every bit as good as I have heard. It echos Vangelis's iconic score of that film as haunting, metallic, depressing and ponderous. It in short is the best thing of the movie. And is probably what associated my mind to that connection.

But in terms of thrills it kept me engaged to all the action and I enjoyed the noirish elements like the femme fatale of Gem and the "Rick's Cafe" that the fiendishly hilarious Michael Sheen operates out of (complete with a Casablanca line reference). And the ending worked for me with Clu and Kevin merging--Flynn's own weaknesses leaving him buried in this technological nightmarescape.

I would also add I was surprised by how much I liked Quorra. There is no denying that from the trailers and posters that Olivia Wilde looked like a knock-out in her leather-tight cyberpunk/geek S&M fantasy outfit. However, Quorra was just not eye candy. She provided a real amount of emotional weight to the ending (where the director wisely chose to focus on her sensations of leaving the digital world behind, as opposed to Sam). Her brief scenes gave some surprising humanity to Bridges's character who, other than his first real father-son scene, did not build much pathos with the actor playing Sam beyond generic scripting. I was surprised that she'd be that important to the plot at all.

Now the movie does have its rough edges. As I've said before, the first ten to twenty minutes crawl by. And then there is Clu's CGI. There has already been so much said about how awful that CGI is, I'll just add that despite it taking me out of the movie on several occasions, I could get past it and still enjoy the film. But it appears as successful as Benjamin Button was, duplicating the process on a regular basis is still not there. Also, the handling of the Tron character (or lack thereof) made for a weak dues ex machina in the third act when he randomly turned good and was left in the air for a sequel.

This movie is not perfect. It has its problems. But it is highly enjoyable. And I do not think it is heartless, but rather visually soulful in its own way. There are scenes or characters that don't work, but the movie does. And it is far more engaging than most summer blockbusters. Like this Transformers movie, or that Pirates sequels. It was far above Iron Man 2 this year and actually left me more satisfied than the half-a-film the Harry Potter machine printed money on during November.

I'm just rambling now, but suffice to say that a combination of low expectations and visual/audible brilliance impressed me enough to overlook the flaws.

8/10

I would recommend this movie.
 
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No offense DACrowe,but didn't you post a review for the movie like a long time ago? Or was I just imagining something that wasn't there?
 
Greetings, programs! I saw Tron Legacy in IMAX 3D yesterday. It was amaze-some. Seriously, one of the coolest movies ever. They did such a terrific job on it. I grew up on Tron, and this made me feel like a little kid again. I almost feel like going and buying all the toys just because. It sort of bums me out to come home and read what the critics have to say about it. Weak story, bad actors, and the like. But it doesn't bum me out too bad. I walked out of that theater like I had just actually woken up into reality from another world: The Grid. It felt so real. Part of that had to do with the 12,000 watts of sound blasting through my body and the awe-inspiring 3D effects, but I still loved the movie. End of line.
 
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LMAO "hugging toasters." :lmao: Olivia is adorable.

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Greetings, programs! I saw Tron Legacy in IMAX 3D yesterday. It was amaze-some. Seriously, one of the coolest movies ever. They did such a terrific job on it. I grew up on Tron, and this made me feel like a little kid again. I almost feel like going and buying all the toys just because. It sort of bums me out to come home and read what the critics have to say about it. Weak story, bad actors, and the like. But it doesn't bum me out too bad. I walked out of that theater like I had just actually woken up into reality from another world: The Grid. It felt so real. Part of that had to do with the 12,000 watts of sound blasting through my body and the awe-inspiring 3D effects, but I still loved the movie. End of line.

Glad you liked it dude. It's a great movie indeed.
 
Seen it. Great movie really. Hope Kevin flynn is alive and we see him in a sequel along with Tron.
 
Whoa apparently the toys have sold so well that they already planned a "series 3" line for release. I didn't even know they were already up to series 2 :wow:

Say what you want about the box office but the merchandising seems to be pretty damn healthy.
 
1. I refuse to believe we're at a level of 100% realistic CGI - and YES that includes Avatar - the only reason why it wasn't as noticeable is because they're not human, they're not disproportionate and we have virtually no point of comparison.

2. The issue with CLU's mouth and eyes isn't Jeff Bridges having too much skin, it's that they made him exaggerate the movements and emotions so that they could be properly picked up - clearly this wasn't a good move, but I'm just saying, if you're going to blame it on something, at least blame it on the right thing.

dark_b is doing nothing but fooling himself if he believed that in 2010, a 100% photo-realistic CGI human could be created. Please.
 
100%photoreal is definatly possible and has been achieved... problem is 100% photoreal movement lol
 
Finally got to see the film thursday night at local imax theater. I enjoyed the film alot. Thought they did a good job. Sure the storyline was a bit basic. But it worked for tron. It was also great to see bruce and jeff on the film. Wish alan was used a little more. The flash back scenes on the grind and real world were pretty good.

I thought young kevin and clue 2 were solid. sfx were overall good there. A bit iffy on mouth/talking bits. But for good for a new technolgy and all. Also I loved how tron saved kevin in the flashback and towards the end of the film. Acting I thought wilde was pretty good in her character.

This was one of the first things I seen her in. And thought she did well and kicked but in action scenes too. Garret was alright, not the best not not a bad actor. With the right films he will probably get better. Jeff I thought did good with voice work for clu 2 and was ok as old kevin. Loved what he did at the end of the film. I wonder if it means he is gone or not. Martin sheen character was an odd ball, couldnt really even tell it was him. But was a fun character. All an all a good film would rate it a 7 out of 10.
 
100% photoreal was achieved with Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith back in 2005. But the animation still had a few tinkers, as you can see how wooden he sometimes was.
 
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