Ultimates 3: Bad Comic, Or Worst Comic?

[Blader5489]

Close, but only in the fact that around the same time, Marville came out.



At least in Marvel history, this is the worst piece of garbage they ever produced.

What the hell is this?

 

[Spider-Jay420]

Oh there's another thing they have in common. Completely ridiculous women, even by comic standards. Much like all of Liefelds women, her ass and **** are both bigger than her torso.

C'mon Joker, nothing wrong with **** and ass.

 

[Joker]

C'mon Joker, nothing wrong with **** and ass.

When they're bigger than a womans head, there's alot wrong with them.

Also, to the person asking about what Marville is...Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Dark Victory]

Definitely a bad comic at the least but I've much worse (Punisher: War Journal anybody?).

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I liked U3; nothing spectacular though. Hope Magneto and Doom team up to be the threat in Ultimatum. And I got my Juggernaut back

This book has to be the most needlessly complained about title

 

[Mogwai]

all i can say is that hopefully loeb can redeem himself with volume 4 and explain all the changes.

 

[Saint]

Ultimates 3 was an absolute affront to the Ultimate universe. It was like Marvel's Batman & Robin. Words are not sufficient for describing the trashiness of this book.

Did anyone actually care what was happening? Really, anyone? The characters were cheap, uninteresting caricatures of themselves, the art was a jumbled, muddy mess, the plot was uninteresting and the threat was lame. The action scenes, unlike Ultimates 1 and 2, were stupidly plotted.

Did Jeph Loeb hit his head and lose all his talent? What the hell happened here? I can't believe Marvel allowed this to see print. Didn't somebody there say "Uh, guys? This is the worst crap the universe has ever seen, we shouldn't print this." From Hawkeye--who might as well have worn an "I WANT TO DIE" sandwich board for all five issues (subtle, Loeb!)--to Captain America--with his "I AM THE BLACK PANTHER" t-shirt (ULTRA subtle, Loeb!)--everything in this volume has been a joke. Thor screaming for blood? I'm sorry, did you even read the previous two volumes, Loeb? What's more, congratulations are in order; you managed to off Magneto's kids without making me care at all. Thanks! It sure was fun watching them die stupid, pointless deaths. Why the hell did Quicksilver jump in front of that bullet, anyway? A good old shove wouldn't have done the job? Quicksilver can think fast enough to operate at at super speed, but not fast enough to realize "Hey, a bullet is no threat to Magneto"? Much like Loeb's Hulk, this book was a series of poorly conceived and irrelevant action sequences strung together by a nonexistent plot expressed through awful dialogue. Loeb should be ashamed. Marvel should be ashamed.

There was not a single interesting idea or scene. None of the characters were written competently and certainly not compellingly. This volume was absolutely devoid of any merit of any kind. I felt ill reading it.

 

[bunk]

Agreed completely. I read two issues and had to stop there and pretend it was joke.

 

[Joker]

Ultimates 3 was an absolute affront to the Ultimate universe. It was like Marvel's Batman & Robin. Words are not sufficient for describing the trashiness of this book.

Did anyone actually care what was happening? Really, anyone? The characters were cheap, uninteresting caricatures of themselves, the art was a jumbled, muddy mess, the plot was uninteresting and the threat was lame. The action scenes, unlike Ultimates 1 and 2, were stupidly plotted.

Did Jeph Loeb hit his head and lose all his talent? What the hell happened here? I can't believe Marvel allowed this to see print. Didn't somebody there say "Uh, guys? This is the worst crap the universe has ever seen, we shouldn't print this." From Hawkeye--who might as well have worn an "I WANT TO DIE" sandwich board for all five issues (subtle, Loeb!)--to Captain America--with his "I AM THE BLACK PANTHER" t-shirt (ULTRA subtle, Loeb!)--everything in this volume has been a joke. Thor screaming for blood? I'm sorry, did you even read the previous two volumes, Loeb? What's more, congratulations are in order; you managed to off Magneto's kids without making me care at all. Thanks! It sure was fun watching them die stupid, pointless deaths. Why the hell did Quicksilver jump in front of that bullet, anyway? A good old shove wouldn't have done the job? Quicksilver can think fast enough to operate at at super speed, but not fast enough to realize "Hey, a bullet is no threat to Magneto"? Much like Loeb's Hulk, this book was a series of poorly conceived and irrelevant action sequences strung together by a nonexistent plot expressed through awful dialogue. Loeb should be ashamed. Marvel should be ashamed.

There was not a single interesting idea or scene. None of the characters were written competently and certainly not compellingly. This volume was absolutely devoid of any merit of any kind. I felt ill reading it.

We should go underneath the bleachers and make out...In a totally hetero way, of course.

Also, absonic93, Colossal Spoons, spider_man_2, you all need to explain why. Spoons, I know you responded, but you never gave an explanation of the things you liked about it. Was it the characters acting completely out of character? Was it the fact that they were all wearing their 616 costumes for some reason, except Bulley...I mean, Hawkeye, who was dressed liked Grifter? Was it the terrible dialouge, and useless cameos?

 

[SLVRSR4]

I never bought these, they're atrocious, but found the story somewhat funny when Wolverine was with Magneto's woman.

 

[Joker]

By the way, I'd like to make sure everyone knows about Ultimate Edit Week...

http://www.4thletter.net/2007/12/ultimate-edit-week-day-one/

It's a couple of guys going through and re-writing the entire thing as a comedy, and actually fits together better as an entire story than Loebs did too. They update it pretty much once a week, and are up to the first day of Week 5.

 

[Spade]

Do I even wanna ask why Ultimate Tony is casually letting the people he works with watch his sex tape?

Oh, and for the record: I'm gonna be calling Venom "Blueberry Giger Kool-Aid Man" for some time after this.

 

[Kitsune]

Oh there's another thing they have in common. Completely ridiculous women, even by comic standards. Much like all of Liefelds women, her ass and **** are both bigger than her torso.

Liefeld's women always looked like someone split a bowling ball in half and glued the pieces to their chest...

 

[Sloth7d]

Liefeld's women also all have spinal bifidas. His men all look like they've either recently had cosmetic surgery on their face, or they've lived more than 60 years with all of those gratuitous lines, or they have severe emotional problems with the out of place facial expressions they make at times. Though beyond all that, my main gripe with Liefeld is that their is no love and care in his work. It's either plagarized garbage, or carelessly illustrated mistakes which could have easily been fixed had he felt like it. I mean, how lazy can you be when you don't ever draw feet (and when you do the characters are in a weird pose), and you're too lazy to draw people holding a gun and sword properly. Compared to Liefeld, Joe Mads is art incarnate.

 

[JoeCat]

In my opinion, the thing that makes Ultimates III so bad, is the fact that Ultimates & Ultimates II were so good.

If the style had started out the way it is with III, i think it would be more enjoyable... But yes, I do think this book is a complete letdown.

 

[K.B.]

Anyone else notice all the lines Loeb used that were from movies? Hell issue 4 was pretty much just one liners from movies

 

[Joker]

Ultimate Edit Week 5 Days 2 and 3 are both up.

 

[GyLocke]

I'm no expert in comic book art, but Ultimates 3 looked pretty amazing. Stuff was jumping off the pages. If I just flipped it through in the store it would make me buy it. Stylized, silly, awesome, badass... But the thing is, the Ultimates concept was supposed to be "Avengers in the real world". That's what volume 1 and 2 had been. That's why it needs to have a realistic style.
I have no love for Loeb. I haven't read a thing from him I liked. He started rubbing me the wrong way at Luthor's character assassination in SandB. I've read Long Halloween and Hush... both were rubbish. But in Ultimates 3 he's unintentionally hilarious trying to follow up on Millar's "gritty, realistic" style with the approach of a thirteen year old. "I guess that makes me the mother****er!" great stuff. Everybody is a violent sex-crazed jackass. So on it's own I enjoyed the hell out of it, but as a follow up to Ultimates 1 and 2 it's a shame. It makes you wonder, how some people (in this case editors, writers and artists) just have no idea what makes a success work when they attempt to make a follow up. What they do in this business I'll never know.
I'm a copywriter, and if I approached a brand like they approached the Ultimates (abandoning everything the brand is about), my ass would be on the streets in seconds. Of course it wouldn't get to that, the accounts would never let it reach the client. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Marvel needs some more suits to manage their titles. Say what you want about the "creativity killing Hollywood system" a studio would've caught this.

 

[aka Kal el]

His art is stylized. Like many artists with a stylized kind of look he doesn't try to go for realism and perfect anatomy. His style is meant to look cool and I think it accomplishes that goal.

Of course, to each his own but if you're comparing him with Liefeld you're on crack.

Then we will agree to disagree!

 

[aka Kal el]

In my opinion, the thing that makes Ultimates III so bad, is the fact that Ultimates & Ultimates II were so good.

If the style had started out the way it is with III, i think it would be more enjoyable... But yes, I do think this book is a complete letdown.

Agreed!

 

[THANOSRULES]

Liefeld's women also all have spinal bifidas. His men all look like they've either recently had cosmetic surgery on their face, or they've lived more than 60 years with all of those gratuitous lines, or they have severe emotional problems with the out of place facial expressions they make at times. Though beyond all that, my main gripe with Liefeld is that their is no love and care in his work. It's either plagarized garbage, or carelessly illustrated mistakes which could have easily been fixed had he felt like it. I mean, how lazy can you be when you don't ever draw feet (and when you do the characters are in a weird pose), and you're too lazy to draw people holding a gun and sword properly. Compared to Liefeld, Joe Mads is art incarnate.

I'd be interested to know your opinion on Jack Kirby...especially given that his faces always had deep cuts and he also used "formulaic" poses and looks.

I just don't know what you guys want.

Personally, I like the whole gamut...i like diversity of looks in different books. Styles.

Its what makes comics good.

 

[deemar325]

Yeah Ult3 is pretty freakin bad, so bad that I've returned to SSH just to voice my opinion on how bad it is

 

[Mogwai]

where did you go? just quit posting?

 

[THANOSRULES]

I'm no expert in comic book art, but Ultimates 3 looked pretty amazing. Stuff was jumping off the pages. If I just flipped it through in the store it would make me buy it. Stylized, silly, awesome, badass... But the thing is, the Ultimates concept was supposed to be "Avengers in the real world". That's what volume 1 and 2 had been. That's why it needs to have a realistic style.
I have no love for Loeb. I haven't read a thing from him I liked. He started rubbing me the wrong way at Luthor's character assassination in SandB. I've read Long Halloween and Hush... both were rubbish. But in Ultimates 3 he's unintentionally hilarious trying to follow up on Millar's "gritty, realistic" style with the approach of a thirteen year old. "I guess that makes me the mother****er!" great stuff. Everybody is a violent sex-crazed jackass. So on it's own I enjoyed the hell out of it, but as a follow up to Ultimates 1 and 2 it's a shame. It makes you wonder, how some people (in this case editors, writers and artists) just have no idea what makes a success work when they attempt to make a follow up. What they do in this business I'll never know.
I'm a copywriter, and if I approached a brand like they approached the Ultimates (abandoning everything the brand is about), my ass would be on the streets in seconds. Of course it wouldn't get to that, the accounts would never let it reach the client. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Marvel needs some more suits to manage their titles. Say what you want about the "creativity killing Hollywood system" a studio would've caught this.

Those are legit beefs and some good points.

I always had equally firm opinions on what a 616 book like the Avengers should be.

 

[spider-neil]

mad's art was freaking amazing in ultimates.
okay not the best plotline but I bought it for the art so who cares.
much perfer this to all star batman and robin as jim lee is ridiculously overatted.