Age of Ultron Ultron! We Would Have Words With Thee! Official Thor/Chris Hemworth Thread - Part 1

[jaqua99]

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In all honesty it doesn't seem like a wow moment, he doesn't pick it up in time of need. He is literally just born and he picks it up and gives it to Thor not realising it's a big deal.

To me that's less of a wow moment and more wtf is going on moment.

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I agree, but objectively, from the audience standpoint it's kinda cool. Plus I just watched the party scene. Cap is almost worthy? That's not how mjolnir works lol Plus his face after he "budged it"...he may have been worth. That's always what I got out of it. Cap is worthy, we know he is. We just don't know when the moment happens

 

[BoredGuy]

[BLACKOUT]I'm gonna guess Vision is worthy because one, he's great. That needs to be accepted. It's a wow cinematic moment. Looking objectively. But Vision is more than an android controlled by an AI. I remember someone spoiling saying that he's still his own individual.

Plus he's powered by the mind stone. He's not just an ai, he's alive.With a conscious mind. That's the point of him lifting it with the mind stone. And he's born into something pure, and for some reason, Thor has hope for humanity. Thor has bigger things to worry about. Vision is the new champion powerhouse of the Avengers, while Thor goes off to deal with something no other avenger can deal with.

And in terms of science, quantum mechanics, there is consideration for a soul. There's zero evidence that suggests there's no soul[/BLACKOUT]

Yeah, it doesn't sound terribly 'wow'
[BLACKOUT]and again, the mind stone is really what's giving him the life force, so could be what effects the enchantment[/BLACKOUT]
what really, is the difference between an extremely high functioning AI and "being alive"? That's the nature of so many scifi stories, it's difficult to define
and "quantum mechanics giving consideration for the possibilty of a soul" is about as vague as science can get. There may be no evidence of a lack of soul, but there's also no evidence of a lack of God, doesn't make him a scientific theory


but whatever, man, don't s**t in my cheerios
it's making me feel better about a moment I disagree with, dammit t:

 

[jaqua99]

Yeah, it doesn't sound terribly 'wow'
and again, the mind stone is really what's giving him the life force, so could be what effects the enchantment
what really, is the difference between an extremely high functioning AI and "being alive"? That's the nature of so many scifi stories, it's difficult to define
and "quantum mechanics giving consideration for the possibilty of a soul" is about as vague as science can get. There may be no evidence of a lack of soul, but there's also no evidence of a lack of God, doesn't make him a scientific theory


but whatever, man, don't s**t in my cheerios
it's making me feel better about a moment I disagree with, dammit t:

Ah crap, I'll get you a fresh bowl t:

sorry man, just trying to provide some insight that may make you feel better
<- now look at this guy..what is this.

 

[BoredGuy]

it's the 7-up spot

it allows one to tell how old a poster is by whether they recognize it or not
lol

 

[legendx66]

I think it's becoming apparent that Whedon doesn't really have a special place for Thor's character.

Based on what's been seen in the first film and what I've been hearing about him in the second film, it doesn't seem like he ranks high on Whedon's list of characters.

It also sucks that

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either we were lied to about Thor traveling to different realms for his solo arc or that it was all cut in the editing room, along with the fact that Vision has to become glorified at Thor's expense.

What's the need for Thor now with Vision around?

This is despite him being clearly the strongest in Avengers. Don't say hulk he was obviously holding back. And it sounds like he has a large show of power here. Vision being strong doesn't invalidate thor. Makes no sense. Half the avengers would die instantly if hulk looked at them. They're still worthy of screen time

I see where you are coming from, makes perfect sense..

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The whole thing would have worked better if he had merely knocked the hammer away...The bright spot in all this is in Odin"s Enchantment when he sent the hammer to earth following Thor's banishment...Stating "If they be worthy, shall posses the power of Thor"...
And since Vision did not receive his power he is still not worthy of either the Throne or Thor's power........

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Strong enough people can deflect the hammer normally. It was done in Thor 2

 

[obredaan]

Seems like a recurring gag within the MCU.lol

Whedon gives Cap a less than stellar looking costume in "The Avengers", where he's not allowed to really pull off any great fighting stunts.

Russos come in and rectify all of that with "The Winter Soldier".

Your forgetting the part where Whedon took the least popular hero from Phase 1 and made him relatable and the 2nd most popular hero in the MCU coming out of Avengers. The Russo's would laugh at you for saying they had to rectify anything Whedon did with Cap. Yes the costume wasn't 'stellar' but nobody in the general audience cared cause Cap was awesome in Avengers.

 

[Bren]

The worry I have with all these grand theories (and they are good ), is that maybe none of it will be shown/explain/hinted at.

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So we're left with, as Ghostcrow suggested, a WTF moment, or, because of the trailers show Thor explaining the enchantment, CA (the obviously most 'worthy') almost lifting the hammer, seeing Vision lift it gives a pretty clear indication he's therefore worthy. People aren't going to assume or even contemplate the possibility the enchantment sees Vision as a coat rack

*awaits comments ranging from "wait for the movie" to "so don't watch the movie"...

 

[Mjölnir]

Yeah, it doesn't sound terribly 'wow'

*snip*

I wish you would have followed suit from the post you quoted and spoiler tagged your post. Why respond to a well spoiler tagged discussion by posting spoilers in plain sight? It's not like it's hard to tag it and this is not the spoiler thread which is supposed to cater to people that want to discuss spoilers openly.

I don't get why people can't do this minimal effort to show respect to the other forum viewers.

 

[BigThor]

I think it's becoming apparent that Whedon doesn't really have a special place for Thor's character.

Based on what's been seen in the first film and what I've been hearing about him in the second film, it doesn't seem like he ranks high on Whedon's list of characters.

It also sucks that

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either we were lied to about Thor traveling to different realms for his solo arc or that it was all cut in the editing room, along with the fact that Vision has to become glorified at Thor's expense.

What's the need for Thor now with Vision around?

So because

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Vision lifted Mjolnir and kills Ultron who's in a regular drone body he "stole Thor's shine"? None of that stuff comes close to anything Thor has done by the way.

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You do realize that Thor destroys an entire freaking city and directly saves earth from being destroyed right?

Like seriously I'm not happy about eveything I'm hearing but let's not act like the bad outweighs the good.

 

[Herolee10]

So because

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Vision lifted Mjolnir and kills Ultron who's in a regular drone body he "stole Thor's shine"? None of that stuff comes close to anything Thor has done by the way.

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You do realize that Thor destroys an entire freaking city and directly saves earth from being destroyed right?

Like seriously I'm not happy about eveything I'm hearing but let's not act like the bad outweighs the good.

It's not so much about the content, but the presentation that I'm frustrated with.

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Yes, Thor has accomplished some incredible feats in both Avengers' films. And yet, despite all of that, the actions of the other characters are focused more on than Thor's deeds.

When Thor and Hulk was brawling with each other on board the Hellcarrier, even though it was known that Thor was holding back, the scene made it feel like Hulk was still getting the upper hand.

And despite Thor holding back against Iron Man, the latter was made out look to more special because of the fact that he was able to survive the fight.

And even though Thor destroys the city, thus directly saves the lives of everyone on Earth, from what I've been hearing, Vision's victory over Ultron is given more significance on film.

Not to mention that Thor has never really had a decent arc of his own in the Avengers' films like the other characters have had. The only thing that Joss has done with the character is have him come and go off on his own in both films, where he only returns for the big battle at the end for both films.

 

[Azzazel]

Like seriously I'm not happy about eveything I'm hearing but let's not act like the bad outweighs the good.

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It kinda will if the fight ends up in a stalemate though. I just can't wrap my mind around that idea.

 

[BigThor]

It's not so much about the content, but the presentation that I'm frustrated with.

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Yes, Thor has accomplished some incredible feats in both Avengers' films. And yet, despite all of that, the actions of the other characters are focused more on than Thor's deeds.

When Thor and Hulk was brawling with each other on board the Hellcarrier, even though it was known that Thor was holding back, the scene made it feel like Hulk was still getting the upper hand.

And despite Thor holding back against Iron Man, the latter was made out look to more special because of the fact that he was able to survive the fight.

And even though Thor destroys the city, thus directly saves the lives of everyone on Earth, from what I've been hearing, Vision's victory over Ultron is given more significance on film.

Not to mention that Thor has never really had a decent arc of his own in the Avengers' films like the other characters have had. The only thing that Joss has done with the character is have him come and go off on his own in both films, where he only returns for the big battle at the end for both films.

Let's wait until we see the actual film and form our own opinions before we cry doom and gloom okay?

 

[BigThor]

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It kinda will if the fight ends up in a stalemate though. I just can't wrap my mind around that idea.

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I hear they don't really fight it's more of a brief scuffle.

 

[Zoom]

Let's wait until we see the actual film and form our own opinions before we cry doom and gloom okay?

Yeah. From Thor's huge feat alone, I don't see why people would complain about how He's treated in AoU.

Anyway, I'll watch it next Thursday and I'll offer my views on it, being a big fan of the character.

 

[BigThor]

Yeah. From Thor's huge feat alone, I don't see why people would complain about how He's treated in AoU.

Anyway, I'll watch it next Thursday and I'll offer my views on it, being a big fan of the character.

Great that'll be a welcome point of view bro.

 

[Mjölnir]

Let's wait until we see the actual film and form our own opinions before we cry doom and gloom okay?

I don't know what's been said in spoiler tags but I agree with this statement. All characters are likely to get both highs and lows in a good team movie so we need the entire thing to judge if any of them felt misused in the team move context.

Seeing it two times on Wednesday so hopefully I'll have a clear opinion after that.

 

[First Avenger]

Besides people are complaining about lots of things (QS,Vision,Thor,Hulk) so by that logic the movie gets lots of things wrong and I just can't believe that. Not until I see it.

 

[BoredGuy]

I wish you would have followed suit from the post you quoted and spoiler tagged your post. Why respond to a well spoiler tagged discussion by posting spoilers in plain sight? It's not like it's hard to tag it and this is not the spoiler thread which is supposed to cater to people that want to discuss spoilers openly.

I don't get why people can't do this minimal effort to show respect to the other forum viewers.

sorry, thought I was being vague enough in that post to not need the tags
will edit

 

[Zoom]

I don't know what's been said in spoiler tags but I agree with this statement. All characters are likely to get both highs and lows in a good team movie so we need the entire thing to judge if any of them felt misused in the team move context.

Seeing it two times on Wednesday so hopefully I'll have a clear opinion after that.

Yes, agreed on everything.

 

[BigThor]

I don't know what's been said in spoiler tags but I agree with this statement. All characters are likely to get both highs and lows in a good team movie so we need the entire thing to judge if any of them felt misused in the team move context.

Seeing it two times on Wednesday so hopefully I'll have a clear opinion after that.

Man I'm hyped to hear your reactions Mjolnir.

 

[Vartha]

I don't know what's been said in spoiler tags but I agree with this statement. All characters are likely to get both highs and lows in a good team movie so we need the entire thing to judge if any of them felt misused in the team move context.

Seeing it two times on Wednesday so hopefully I'll have a clear opinion after that.

Great to hear!! YOU, Big Thor, and Corpy are three on my Trust list on movies when it comes to Thor. lol
Not that there aren't MORE mind you lol

 

[jaqua99]

it's the 7-up spot

it allows one to tell how old a poster is by whether they recognize it or not
lol

take guess then sir t:

 

[BoredGuy]

since you are unfamiliar, i'll sayyyyyy... 21?
that little bastard even had his own video game back in the day, lol

 

[Silvermoon]

since you are unfamiliar, i'll sayyyyyy... 21?
that little bastard even had his own video game back in the day, lol

I don't think I ever *played* the video game, but I remember it existing


and now for a bit of silliness:

Chris Evans & Chris Hemsworth Eat Doritos

https://youtu.be/S_DYKS8mhvQ

 

[Herolee10]

So is Vision supposed to serve as

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Thor's replacement on the Avengers Team? It seems like War Machine is meant to serve as Iron Man's replacement after Tony retires from active duty. So given on how Thor proclaims Vision to be the savior of Humanity when it came to Ultron, along with how he can wield Thor's hammer, is he meant to serve as Thor's replacement on Earth while Thor goes away?