The Amazing Spider-Man Uncle Ben's Killer

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah could call it more mature film making, and maybe a brave and different approach to the story

I mean peter is a teenager and teenagers make mistakes, his uncle was killed and his confused over what happened to his parents, teenage hormones and has puppy love for a girl, so i wouldn't say peter is thinking straight at all infact his actions will probably be explored and have consequences in the sequels

Does peter learn a lesson at the end of each comic book?

 

[AF3619]

yeah could call it more mature film making, and maybe a brave and different approach to the story

i mean peter is a teenager and teenagers make mistakes, his uncle was killed and his confused over what happened to his parents hormones and has teenage puppy love for a girl, and i wouldn't say peter is thinking straight at all infact his actions will probably be explored and have consequences in the sequels

does peter learn a lesson at the end of each comic book?

, Peter in Raimi´s was a more mature character, what age was he supoussed to be? but it can´t be the same age as Webb´s (17)

 

[Anno_Domini]

Raimi's age was only about a year older than Webb's Peter, so I always toss out the idea of Raimi's Peter being more mature because he was way older...that claim is false. One year does not make a huge difference, imo.

True, Peter didn't learn much from the first film. I wouldn't say "nothing" though

What could you say he actually learned in the first film?

in order for the sequel to work there has to be serious consequence to Peter's choice to break the promise

There BETTER be some serious consequences in the sequel indeed if Green Goblin doesn't kill Gwen in TAS-M 2, something major better happen in the sequel by Electro's hand or by someone that will show Peter that he made a serious mistake backtracking on his promise with Stacy.

i´ll say more mature
how is he a d**k? seriously , he didn´t broke his promise yet ,even if he did we know how that will turn out
and he just became spiderman in the end of the film, he didn´t do a lot of crime fighting as spiderman i´ll say any ,so he hasn´t become completly responsable and he doesn´t know how this life will affect him or his loved one´s in the future

Not helping someone because of chocolate milk is way more of a dick move than being cheated out of $3,000 or however much money was involved in Raimi's film, imo.

 

[AF3619]

Not helping someone because of chocolate milk is way more of a dick move than being cheated out of $3,000 or however much money was involved in Raimi's film, imo.

can we say that? so you are saying Peter ignoring a simple store bulgar who stole max 300 dollars is more of a di** move than an armed guy stealing $3000?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Dammit i think webb really did miss a chance to teach peter a lesson this film

G.I. Joe: Remember Spidey always keep your promises or bad things will happen
Spiderman: thanks G.I. Joe i know now never to go back on a promise
G.I. Joe: and knowing is half the battle

GEEE IIIIII JOOOEEE!!!

 

[TheWallCrawler]

What could you say he actually learned in the first film?

...I don't know why but I can't think of anything to say That he should the spider powers to help others instead of using it for selfish/biased reasons? He hasn't yet learned the whole responsibility deal, but at least that

 

[AF3619]

...I don't know why but I can't think of anything to say That he should the spider powers to help others instead of using it for selfish/biased reasons? He hasn't yet learned the whole responsibility deal, but at least that

never put "Property of Peter Parker" in your stufft:
"Secrets have a cost, they are not free" maybe

 

[TheWallCrawler]

 

[Jexx]

In 'The Amazing Spider-Man', Peter learned, and is still learning, that he has to think through what he does before he acts.

He learned that even if it seems like they don't deserve it, he should help those who have been wronged (or at least in the process of being wronged).

He learned that if he has the ability to help others, he has the responsibility of helping them.

 

[Jexx]

In 'The Amazing Spider-Man', Peter learned, and is still learning, that he has to think through what he does before he acts.

He learned that even if it seems like they don't deserve it, he should help those who have been wronged (or at least in the process of being wronged).

He learned that if he has the ability to help others, he has the responsibility of helping them.

 

[AF3619]

In 'The Amazing Spider-Man', Peter learned, and is still learning, that he has to think through what he does before he acts.

He learned that even if it seems like they don't deserve it, he should help those who have been wronged (or at least in the process of being wronged).

He learned that if he has the ability to help others, he has the responsibility of helping them.

so, he learned superhero basics

 

[Jexx]

yea, but that doesn't belittle the importance of those lessons.

But, I wouldn't call them superhero basics. I wouldn't say that all superheroes have learned those lessons.

 

[Anno_Domini]

can we say that? so you are saying Peter ignoring a simple store bulgar who stole max 300 dollars is more of a di** move than an armed guy stealing $3000?

Both had guns.

...I don't know why but I can't think of anything to say That he should the spider powers to help others instead of using it for selfish/biased reasons? He hasn't yet learned the whole responsibility deal, but at least that

Boom, lol.

 

[AF3619]

Both had guns.

difference, ASM Peter didn´t know he had a gun

 

[Picard Sisko]

can we say that? so you are saying Peter ignoring a simple store bulgar who stole max 300 dollars is more of a di** move than an armed guy stealing $3000?

They are both pretty bad things to ignore.

Yeah could call it more mature film making, and maybe a brave and different approach to the story

I mean peter is a teenager and teenagers make mistakes, his uncle was killed and his confused over what happened to his parents, teenage hormones and has puppy love for a girl, so i wouldn't say peter is thinking straight at all infact his actions will probably be explored and have consequences in the sequels

Does peter learn a lesson at the end of each comic book?

Nope. I guess they were all poorly written as well. I think people have to remember that this is a part 1 of a trilogy.

...I don't know why but I can't think of anything to say That he should the spider powers to help others instead of using it for selfish/biased reasons? He hasn't yet learned the whole responsibility deal, but at least that

The idea is that he is learning responsibility.

In 'The Amazing Spider-Man', Peter learned, and is still learning, that he has to think through what he does before he acts.

He learned that even if it seems like they don't deserve it, he should help those who have been wronged (or at least in the process of being wronged).

He learned that if he has the ability to help others, he has the responsibility of helping them.

difference, ASM Peter didn´t know he had a gun

Exactly.

He was just robbing a store, and that guy that works there is a complete jerk. He put him down with stupid words like "What? Did your daddy not give you enough milk money today?" I'm sorry, but you don't treat people like that. "Technically" he was right, but he is an *******.

 

[Schrute]

Come on guys, of course Peter learned something in this film.

After he gets his powers he isn't necessarily abusing them (basketball scene is what I can think of), instead he kind of neglects his responsibility of being Peter by keeping Ben and May up all night and forgetting to pick May up from work. He then gets the speech from Ben about having a moral obligation to do good things for others if you can.

Then he witnesses a crime and lets the robber go. What I like about this scene is that it doesn't matter that he is Spider-Man, that any regular person in that instance could call the police or tell the clerk the moment it is happening. But Peter is upset and lets it happen. Then Ben is killed.

Then Peter goes out at night, creates the costume/shooters, to find the man who killed Ben. He is stopping criminals but not to help other people but really for justice against his uncles killer. THEN Captain Stacy gives Peter a reality check and tells him that what he is doing is not protecting innocent people for greater good but really doing all this for himself. Reminds me of what Ben says to him at school "so all of this is about getting even". That scene with Stacy is where, imo, Peter really understands what Ben meant with his speech.

Then that very night he goes to the bridge and stops the lizard, saves the kid, and calls himself Spider-Man. We then see him in his room, staring down at his mask. I've seen people say that small scene is about Peter, after just hearing the dad say "my son"..or something...thinking about his own parents absence. I see it also as him staring at the mask and understanding what he can be as Spider-Man.

Then, he even tells Gwen he has to go after the Lizard because it could have killed innocent people, and that maybe this is his job. He even has another conversation with Gwen in her room and tells her this is his responsibility and he has to stop it (Lizard). Sure, not going out after the carjacker can be seen as bad writing to people, but I also see it as Peter understanding that it isn't about getting even anymore and that he has a responsibility to protect others.

In regards to the ending, I mean I think everyone here knows Peter and Gwen will end up together or obviously still want to be together. The "those are the best kind" line to me seems more like foreshadowing to the events leading to Gwens death. But I don't think just cause he basically implies that he still wants to be with her means he didn't learn anything in the film. Who knows, maybe she will be dating Harry for the majority of the next film

 

[Picard Sisko]

Come on guys, of course Peter learned something in this film.

After he gets his powers he isn't necessarily abusing them (basketball scene is what I can think of), instead he kind of neglects his responsibility of being Peter by keeping Ben and May up all night and forgetting to pick May up from work. He then gets the speech from Ben about having a moral obligation to do good things for others if you can.

Then he witnesses a crime and lets the robber go. What I like about this scene is that it doesn't matter that he is Spider-Man, that any regular person in that instance could call the police or tell the clerk the moment it is happening. But Peter is upset and lets it happen. Then Ben is killed.

Then Peter goes out at night, creates the costume/shooters, to find the man who killed Ben. He is stopping criminals but not to help other people but really for justice against his uncles killer. THEN Captain Stacy gives Peter a reality check and tells him that what he is doing is not protecting innocent people for greater good but really doing all this for himself. Reminds me of what Ben says to him at school "so all of this is about getting even". That scene with Stacy is where, imo, Peter really understands what Ben meant with his speech.

Then that very night he goes to the bridge and stops the lizard, saves the kid, and calls himself Spider-Man. We then see him in his room, staring down at his mask. I've seen people say that small scene is about Peter, after just hearing the dad say "my son"..or something...thinking about his own parents absence. I see it also as him staring at the mask and understanding what he can be as Spider-Man.

Then, he even tells Gwen he has to go after the Lizard because it could have killed innocent people, and that maybe this is his job. He even has another conversation with Gwen in her room and tells her this is his responsibility and he has to stop it (Lizard). Sure, not going out after the carjacker can be seen as bad writing to people, but I also see it as Peter understanding that it isn't about getting even anymore and that he has a responsibility to protect others.

In regards to the ending, I mean I think everyone here knows Peter and Gwen will end up together or obviously still want to be together. The "those are the best kind" line to me seems more like foreshadowing to the events leading to Gwens death. But I don't think just cause he basically implies that he still wants to be with her means he didn't learn anything in the film. Who knows, maybe she will be dating Harry for the majority of the next film

Bravo good sir.

 

[Anno_Domini]

difference, ASM Peter didn´t know he had a gun

So the difference could've been....at least TAS-M's Peter should've tried to do more than what Raimi's Peter did, correct? Lol.

He was just robbing a store, and that guy that works there is a complete jerk. He put him down with stupid words like "What? Did your daddy not give you enough milk money today?" I'm sorry, but you don't treat people like that. "Technically" he was right, but he is an *******.

Again, mentioning the guy was being a jerk doesn't make it any better. Peter lets a guy get robbed and doesn't bother to help because of missing out on chocolate milk because of two cents. I will always just hate that tbh. But such as what Webb said...he's done with the origin

 

[AF3619]

So the difference could've been....at least TAS-M's Peter should've tried to do more than what Raimi's Peter did, correct? Lol.

that´s the point he could but he was angry with T-bone(lol i know his name) so he left him on his own, revenge,

in Spiderman it was clear the guy had a gun and he was dangerous,
he left the killer go away with the same reason, that the guy was a D**k to him and even if it is for 3000 or a milkshake(can´t believe i´m saying that) but it is the same action revenge

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Boom, lol.

I did answer your question, but you apparently decided to ignore the rest of my post

 

[TheWallCrawler]

So the difference could've been....at least TAS-M's Peter should've tried to do more than what Raimi's Peter did, correct? Lol.

Again, mentioning the guy was being a jerk doesn't make it any better. Peter lets a guy get robbed and doesn't bother to help because of missing out on chocolate milk because of two cents. I will always just hate that tbh. But such as what Webb said...he's done with the origin

let's say that the Raimi version of the robber scene was tacked to TASM. Would it be better, if so, why? Answers like "because it's more like the comics" are not acceptable. There it's the same thing, the guy is a jerk and Peter doesn't get what he wants so he let's the robber go

why are you saying that TASM's Peter should've tried to do more than Raimi's Peter? Is it because a milkshake is a far smaller loss than 2900 bucks, or is it because Peter stood up to Flash so according to his character he should've helped the store clerk?

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think he's just trying to find every excuse to bash the film in any way possible.

 

[Spiderdevil]

The ad specifically said, "$3K for 3 minutes." That means Peter had to stay in the ring for a full 3 minutes in order to win the 3 grand. There's no wording that states he will win the full amount if he "wins" the fight or "knocks out" Bonesaw in "less time" than the 3 minutes. You're reading into that and assuming and that's where you are wrong. I agree that the Ring promoter or whoever he was, was indeed being a prick and should have been better about giving Peter the money but unfortunately he is still correct. Going by the wording in the ad, Peter is not owed a dime because he failed to meet the criteria, plain and simple.

I dont see it that way
'3K for 3 minutes' is just a catchphrase to attract the people
It basically means keeping yourself in the ring for 3 minutes or knocking out bonesaw in less than that
We cant read the lower instructions so we'll never know

If anyone was acting like a jerk it was the store clerk/owner. There's nothing wrong with enforcing a store's policy but there's a difference between doing it in a civil and/or nice way rather than being a complete A-hole. The clerk was talking down to Peter and treating him like s**t. That's what led to Peter not trying to help the clerk later on. Would you give a helping hand to someone that just got done either humiliating you or treating you like crap? I'd have a tough time doing so.

Seems legit
But it means Peter isnt supposed 'wrongled' or 'denied' something which is basically supposed to be his,he is just insulted
Peter in SM1 is wrongly denied of his money and I think that plays a better role in the responsibility message

So, a normal person would have stepped in front of the guy running with a bag of money and holding a gun? Yeah, sure. lol.

Except that Peter wasnt a normal man,he was a superhero,he already knew the extent of his powers,he knew he could pick the burglar apart when he had beaten a roid freak just minutes ago
Yet he went out of his way to let his escape
And that plays a major role in the responsibilty message imo

Uncle Ben acted under his own accord and should take responsibility for his death because he tried to wrestle a gun away from the robber. Here's the thing...Peter did NOT see that happen. He hears a shot and then goes to investigate only to find Ben lying on the ground, dying. Peter then learns it is the same guy that just robbed the convenience store. Peter sees this as, HE, didn't stop the robber when he had the chance and therefore feels responsible for Ben's demise. Peter never saw what happened so in his mind, the thief may have shot Ben in an aggressive type manner or just because or to clear a path so he could escape.

Thats all right from Peter's POV but we actually see that happen
From the audience POV,its actually like 95% Uncle Ben's fault and maybe 5% Peter's fault.Thats not a proper responsibily message imo

 

[Picard Sisko]

Ben's death was Peter's fault, and he should feel responsible for what has happened. He got in trouble for breaking the backboard and embarrassing Flash, which made Uncle Ben miss work since he had to talk to the school Principal. Then Peter forgot to go pick up Aunt May and visit Dr. Connors instead (which resulted in the creation of the Lizard as well), and she had to take the Subway home all by herself. This caused a huge fight, and Peter decided to go run out of the house and Ben followed him outside.

Peter could have stopped the robber, and he didn't. He had the power to, but chose not to out of his own selfishness (despite the cashier being a total jerk to him when unnecessary).

Even though Ben tried to stop the robber, Peter could have prevented their whole encounter in the first place.

 

[AF3619]

Ben's death was Peter's fault, and he should feel responsible for what has happened. He got in trouble for breaking the backboard and embarrassing Flash, which made Uncle Ben miss work since he had to talk to the school Principal. Then Peter forgot to go pick up Aunt May and visit Dr. Connors instead (which resulted in the creation of the Lizard as well), and she had to take the Subway home all by herself. This caused a huge fight, and Peter decided to go run out of the house and Ben followed him outside.

Peter could have stopped the robber, and he didn't. He had the power to, but chose not to out of his own selfishness (despite the cashier being a total jerk to him when unnecessary).

Even though Ben tried to stop the robber, Peter could have prevented their whole encounter in the first place.

exactly, he chose to ignore the responsibility