Batman Begins Upon repeated viewings, this is the best movie I've EVER seen.

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My friends make fun of me because I'm a movie buff. They name any movie, and I can tell you the director, the actors, quotes, etc. I memorized alot of Fight Club. I'm obsessed with Pulp Fiction, The Matrix, Vanilla Sky, American Psycho, Se7en, Cast Away, Memento, Heat, Crash.

You name it. I've seen it.

No movie matches the quality and brilliance of Batman Begins.

It's a bold statement, and some of you might laugh... but allow me to explain.

You see, aside from the fact that this was "the big return" after 8 years of being trapped in the mist of Schumacher's Fart known as Batman & Robin.... this movie means alot more than just that... to me, at least.

The funny thing you have to realize is, if Batman Begins was on HBO one day, and "the average movie-goer" flipped to the channel just as little Bruce was falling down the well, he/she would have NO CLUE that this was a Batman movie, and that's what I love about it. If you don't know who Bruce Wayne is, then you'll have no clue what this movie IS until an hour into it, when Batman himself suddenly shows up. It's so damn brilliant.

I think Nolan seriously treated this movie like it was The Godfather of superhero movies. Honestly... this movie is the best of the bunch, and goddammit, I think it's one of the best movies ever made. Bare with me, it gets worse...

Everytime I pop the DVD in, and I hear those bats flapping, the WB logo in Black&White, and then those thousands of bats flying across the screen, I get so PUMPED. It feels like I'm seeing it for the first time again. No movie I own gives me as much replay value as this does.

It's not even the fact that I'm a huge Batman fan. It's just a damn good movie! I completely despise Spider-Man, and I hated the movies, but if Nolan would've made Spider-Man Begins, and had it be that movie instead of Batman, I would've respected Spider-Man Begins just as much. It has nothing to do with the fact that I'm a Batman fanboy. Hopefully that makes sense?? Nolan's an amazing director, basically.

It's the little things about this movie that make it my all-time favorite:

- The Birthday party sequence (Liam Neeson's speech, with Bale's interactions).
- Cillian Murphy's acting. "He's here. The Batmaaaan."
- Virtually anything that Michael Caine did. The emotions from this man during the scene after the funeral are superb.
- Gary Oldman's simple approach.
- Tom Wilkinson's acting during the restaurant scene.

- When we first see Liam Neeson in the jail cell, and the music builds as he explains to Bale: "But, if you make yourself MORE than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if THEY can't stop you... you become something else entirely." ---- Pay attention to this scene in particular... the way the chords in the music progress and go higher as they cut to Liam's face as he says "And if THEY can't stop you".... and then when they cut back to his face as he says "A legend, Mr. Wayne"... watch how the frame is closer to his face than before. That's GOOD directing, dammit!!

- When Bale goes down into the cave, and the bats fly around him, and that music just builds... and builds... and EXPLODES, followed by a quick cut to Cillian Murphy's line "No more favors".

Nolan's eye for the camera is just so impressive. He has a real instinct, much like a painter knows how to move the brush on the canvas. This is a real "art film", in my opinion. It has "art" to it. It FEELS like looking at a painting and being moved by it, but you don't know why. The scene where Batman is standing on top of the building, motionless like a gargoyle overlooking the city as the camera pans around him and suddenly stops... that MOVES me.

Now, there ARE things that I DON'T like about "Begins".... such as the quick-editing action, of course. The way I see it... a painter isn't good at painting EVERYTHING. If you specialize in caricatures, you can't expect to be a master at landscapes. In my opinion, I would've been okay with NO ACTION in this film, but obviously Nolan knew that he had to do it... since it IS a Batman film, and people are expecting an action movie instead of a intellectual Godfather-ish movie.


So yeah... this is the greatest movie I've ever seen. As many movies as I've seen, and out of all the favorites on my long, LONG list, this one takes the cake by A LOT. And as much as I'm excited to see "The Dark Knight", I'm just not sure that it will hit me on an emotional level like this one did. This one started it all. This one set the gold standard.... and you can SEE how other movies are trying to "copy" it now. As Oldman said at the end, "You really started something." Nolan did, indeed.
 
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^dude . . . I wholeheartedly agree with just about everything you said. . . . I don't know if I'd be so bold as to say it's the BEST movie EVER . . . but it's definitely up there . . .

I saw Begins in the theater twice, and to be honest; the second time around I thought it was a bit dull . . .

but now that it comes on HBO, etc., I will watch it just about EVERY time it's on . . . and I never get sick of it . . . it truly is a masterpiece in filmmaking . . .
 
. . . it truly is a masterpiece in filmmaking . . .

It REALLY is!

I almost wish it WASN'T a Batman movie, so it could've won Best Picture at the Oscars.

Because we ALL know... it would've, if it didn't have that damn "Batman" sticker slapped on it.

The Academy can go to hell... this movie was severely overlooked.
 
^ you never know . . . maybe Nolan will get the nod once he's finished the trilogy a la LOTR . . .
 
I am not sure what to say. I liked the movie a lot but to say it is the best ever?

Have you seen Seven Samurai by Kirosawa? Magnificent Seven? Bullit? There are about a hundred movies I can think of that would compete for best ever and this just wasn't one of them.

It was well done, but predicatable at times and I hate to say it, but the whole scene with the Tumbler? Ouch.

I am glad you enjoyed it ... but maybe try renting something pre-1980 and then you can have a greater basis for your suggested title thread and how it compares to other great films.
 
Magnificent Seven was totally kickass. I'm definitely on the lookout for Seven Samurai now.

BB was certainly very well done, but I don't know if I would rate it as the "best EVER." People's tastes are different, you know? :) I knew some people who didn't like how slow it was in the beginning, but I was completely riveted throughout the whole thing.

BB predictable? At times. Had needless action? It probably had to. But I love it anyway, and I agree with the rewatchability factor. Action, acting, and Batman-ness notwithstanding, I love the artsiness of it.

Godfather was a GREAT movie, but I dunno if I'd want to sit through it more than twice. :p
 
I don't think you guys understood me.

Read the title.

This is the best movie I've ever seen.

And in the post...

This is one of the best movies ever.
 
It REALLY is!

I almost wish it WASN'T a Batman movie, so it could've won Best Picture at the Oscars.

Because we ALL know... it would've, if it didn't have that damn "Batman" sticker slapped on it.

The Academy can go to hell... this movie was severely overlooked.
If Begins could've won Best Picture at the Oscars then it would have. To say that it did not soley on the basis of having that damn "Batman" sticker is just an excuse people tell themselves to ease the fact that it was not even nominated... and if you send the Academy to hell then logically Pfister's nomination must go along for the ride—as the saying goes, you cannot have your cake and eat it to.
 
I watch BB almost once a week, I watch it from beginning to end and every time I see Bale say "I'm Batman” of course that "Nice coat" is a weak one to say after Bale said "I'm Batman" doesn't sound good but it does not ruin the movie and there's Rachel character anyway the Joker card scene I see in the end always makes me say "I wish TDK would get release sooner."
 
My friends make fun of me because I'm a movie buff. They name any movie, and I can tell you the director, the actors, quotes, etc. I memorized alot of Fight Club. I'm obsessed with Pulp Fiction, The Matrix, Vanilla Sky, American Psycho, Se7en, Cast Away, Memento, Heat, Crash.
90% of those on here could tell you the cast and crew to those flicks. It's not exactly boastable material.
 
Maybe you should see more movies. The godfather, Dr. Strangelove, the Seven Samurai, Blade Runner...
 
Best ever may be an exaggeration, but I believe it indeed works very well on repeat viewing, maybe even better than Spidey 2 ou X2 or STM.
 
I don't think you guys understood me.

Read the title.

This is the best movie I've ever seen.

And in the post...

This is one of the best movies ever.

I think we did. That is why the suggestions are pouring in to see other movies. Not to distract from your enjoyment of the film, but to share some other great movies for you to see.

Seven Samurai is the basis for the Magnificent Seven. There are other examples of Kirosawa's films being used for the basic plot of great films that were made famous in the West.

Blade runner is another great suggestion for you. The director's cut is excellent.

I was not trying to dampen your enthusiasm, but rather try to share ideas as to other films you might enjoy.

Nolan is glad you like his film. So is Bale. :yay:
 
I dunno about best, but it's definately one of my favorite movies ever.
 
Definitely not one of the best (it's a stretch to say top 75) but definitely one of my favorites. It's not even Nolan's best (Memento, Insomnia, and The Prestige are all better movies). Still it is a great movie, and for it to be Batman really gives it an extra boost in the ratings.
 
TempleFugit, I applaud you. This post more than makes up for your previous lack of confidence in Nolan's ability to handle the sequel(s). It's great to see a Batman fan with your kind of dedication, and the ability to express your appreciation for great filmmaking, regardless of genre. Though some of your ravings are absurd, I agree with the vast majority of what you've said. The only thing I can't understand is how you could accept a Batman movie with no action. And off-topic, but too curious to resist: why do you hate Spider-Man?
 
TempleFugit, I applaud you. This post more than makes up for your previous lack of confidence in Nolan's ability to handle the sequel(s). It's great to see a Batman fan with your kind of dedication, and the ability to express your appreciation for great filmmaking, regardless of genre. Though some of your ravings are absurd, I agree with the vast majority of what you've said. The only thing I can't understand is how you could accept a Batman movie with no action. And off-topic, but too curious to resist: why do you hate Spider-Man?

I can accept a Batman movie with no action, because I don't think Batman should based on action. Batman, to me, isn't about spectacle - like Spider-Man. Spectacle is when there's something there for no real reason, other than to show-off something, like swinging between buildings, flying around on a glider, or driving the Tumbler through the streets of Gotham. There are plot points leading up to it... but come on... everything in the car chase wasn't necessary, was it? That's why the action in Batman Begins was the weakest point, in my opinion.

I look at movies from a MATURE point of view. It has to be realistic to me... I know, I know... it's a MOVIE, so it's ALLOWED to be over-the-top and silly... but I just can't get interested in Spider-Man. I was a teenager once, sure, but even so... I still can't relate to it. It just seems so cartoony, childish, PC, and patriotic.

Batman, on the other hand, is just a badass... he's the ADULT superhero, and I think Batman Begins was the movie that finally let us know that "Hey, we can take this SERIOUSLY", instead of throwing him in a neon-colored city, or putting him in a plane so he can fight off gas-filled balloons. Do you know what I mean? It feels like to an extent, Batman Begins was completely REALISTIC, and was set in the "real world", and it's action was the only thing that pulled away from that.
 
I still feel BB is a good film but is totally overated by fans of course its their opinion but i just find the whole film forced it tries to hard to be taken seriously the deep psycological, discussions are laughable the fast editing fight and chase scenes are some of the worst i have ever seen i think bale is a great actor in american psycho and the machinest but in BB he is bland and predictable and his movements in the suit seem awkward. it is the supporting actors that carry the film Neeson, hauer, oldman and especially freeman all overshadow bale caine as alfred is a total miscast wheres the posh gentalmans, gentalman? all he is, is a cockney geezer turned butler its not alfred. The realistic aspect is ridicolous its based on a guy who dresses as a bat it shouldent be realistic its a fantasy its not like films like road to perdition or history of violence (which are better) Lastly and most importantly the film isnt ENJOYABLE its boring it doesnt grab you take you to a fantasy for a few hours and leave a lasting impression thats what movies of this genre should do and for me BB certainly doesnt. Dont get me wrong BB isnt a bad film, just overated hidden under the stylish setup is a film that ultimately is very dissapointing to me after the travesy of B&R people have been waiting for a batfilm to rival burtons original two films but this isnt it.
 
Well, agree to disagree.

However, for ME.. there wasn't a boring spot in the movie. I thought it was deeply emotional right from the beginning... all the way to the end.

Some people don't "get it" though. For example, the beginning, when Bruce is seen climbing that mountain... it's not just "Some dude with a beard climbing a mountain"... that's Bruce Wayne taking his first step into becoming Batman. That's Bruce actually seeking his means to fight injustice, instead of just sitting around moping about it in the car with Rachel. Some people don't "see" how deep that is.. instead of analyzing it, they choose to say it's "boring".

The editing during the action scenes... I will agree wholeheartedly. HOWEVER, you have to wonder WHY Nolan is such a damn good director at everything else BUT this aspect. Is it because you're NOT supposed to see Batman in action... Is he supposed to be a beast who moves in lightning speed??

^^ As Ducard says, "This is not a dance." Is this in reference to The Matrix, which takes its fighting to a silly, over-the-top degree... and uses slow-motion for most of its action??

If The Matrix is "the dance", then Batman Begins is its OPPOSITE. Matrix = slow-motion; Batman Begins = fast cuts. That's what it seems like to ME, anyway.
 

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