Venom now has a stand alone film, according to the studio.

[The Major]

Wolverine could be the first good one.

It's to early to know for sure.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Let's take a close look at it;
He was already a little off his nut when the story began. If you pay attention, Gwen was NOT his girl & he was pretty much stalking her after she made the mistake of granting him what was at best, a simple gesture of friendship & at worst a sympathy date. He then went on to try & fram an innocent man, thereby harming not only his own reputation but that of the one journalist who thaought he was worth something. He then goes to church & prays for God to smite the man who he holds responsible for his downward spiral-because it can't possibly be my fault that I committed fraud & used one of my rival's pics to do it; no, he's the bad guy because he exposed me! How dare he! And then, what does he do to exact his revenge? He kidnaps & threatens an innocent girl, murders AT LEAST one innocent person for getting in his way, (barring him having killed any of the cops that tried to rescue her) & throws himself on an incendiary bomb because he can't bear to live without his newfound power.
His story is done. There's no potential to take it any further. Trying to make him a protagonist behind that would be absurd. Let's just say they bring in Carnage; where's Brock's motivation to oppose him? What is Kasady likely to do that Brock hasn't already done?

Well voluntary manslaughter comes to mind. Venom does believe in god and the bible says no killing. I don't remember him killing a guy in his way. In his mind he believes spiderman is a villain and teams up with a guy that is not really a villain. The new goblin in helping spiderman becomes a villain. He may have associated the cop with spider man. He threatens mary jane for the purpose of attracting spider mans attention. He thinks mary jane is most likely evil for liking spiderman. Kinda makes sense. Remember Venom and Brock are not the same thing. They they converse about thing in brock's mind and sometimes venom wins.

Lethal Protector didn't suck. If you like Venom read it if yoo don't then don't. Venom becomes less motivated torwards killing spiderman when spidey saves his love. So he believes he is not completely wrong, but says if he get's in his way he will kill.

Kletus Kasidy on the other hand will chop 10 people up just because they walked in front of him. Think about it. A serial killer with super powers. He's going more for a record and his methods are usually the same mass murder. He kill's for fun. Venom has morals all though they are very messed up. Now Carnage and Kletus have become one and think the same thought, they have bonded so much that they refer to themselves as I and venom as we.
Venom+Henry Lee lucas(google him)= Carnage.

 

[The Major]

Well voluntary manslaughter comes to mind. Venom does believe in god and the bible says no killing. I don't remember him killing a guy in his way. In his mind he believes spiderman is a villain and teams up with a guy that is not really a villain. The new goblin in helping spiderman becomes a villain. He may have associated the cop with spider man. He threatens mary jane for the purpose of attracting spider mans attention. He thinks mary jane is most likely evil for liking spiderman. Kinda makes sense. Remember Venom and Brock are not the same thing. They they converse about thing in brock's mind and sometimes venom wins.

Agreed.

Lethal Protector didn't suck. If you like Venom read it if yoo don't then don't. Venom becomes less motivated torwards killing spiderman when spidey saves his love. So he believes he is not completely wrong, but says if he get's in his way he will kill.

It would be simple to explore a story in a similar way in the movie.

Give him a clear motivation to allow the viewers to see why Venom's not an evil character.

Kletus Kasidy on the other hand will chop 10 people up just because they walked in front of him. Think about it. A serial killer with super powers. He's going more for a record and his methods are usually the same mass murder. He kill's for fun. Venom has morals all though they are very messed up. Now Carnage and Kletus have become one and think the same thought, they have bonded so much that they refer to themselves as I and venom as we.
Venom+Henry Lee lucas(google him)= Carnage.

Agreed.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Brock would give his life for an "Innocent" as he calls them. Venom is more hesitant but brock prevails normally.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well voluntary manslaughter comes to mind. Venom does believe in god and the bible says no killing. I don't remember him killing a guy in his way. In his mind he believes spiderman is a villain and teams up with a guy that is not really a villain. The new goblin in helping spiderman becomes a villain. He may have associated the cop with spider man. He threatens mary jane for the purpose of attracting spider mans attention. He thinks mary jane is most likely evil for liking spiderman. Kinda makes sense. Remember Venom and Brock are not the same thing. They they converse about thing in brock's mind and sometimes venom wins.

Lethal Protector didn't suck. If you like Venom read it if yoo don't then don't. Venom becomes less motivated torwards killing spiderman when spidey saves his love. So he believes he is not completely wrong, but says if he get's in his way he will kill.

Kletus Kasidy on the other hand will chop 10 people up just because they walked in front of him. Think about it. A serial killer with super powers. He's going more for a record and his methods are usually the same mass murder. He kill's for fun. Venom has morals all though they are very messed up. Now Carnage and Kletus have become one and think the same thought, they have bonded so much that they refer to themselves as I and venom as we.
Venom+Henry Lee lucas(google him)= Carnage.

The person he killed for getting in his way was Harry. Venom has NO morals or he wouldn't have gone to the lengths that he did. I don't buy his BS "moral code" for a second, b/c he contradicts himself at every turn.
Plus, even if I were to buy into any of what you're saying about his morality, there's one VERY big hole in your argument:

"I like being bad; it makes me happy."
Once you say that, any claims of innocence or heroism become COMPLETELY null & void.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

The person he killed for getting in his way was Harry. Venom has NO morals or he wouldn't have gone to the lengths that he did. I don't buy his BS "moral code" for a second, b/c he contradicts himself at every turn.
Plus, even if I were to buy into any of what you're saying about his morality, there's one VERY big hole in your argument:

"I like being bad; it makes me happy."
Once you say that, any claims of innocence or heroism become COMPLETELY null & void.

i dunno --
it depends whether or not Venom in the movie will be eddie brock or some1 else... so w/Brock he couldnt have a moral code but some1 else could do well by being an antiHero Punisher-style.

 

[NavSealShark]

I think this has major potential if done right.

 

[thejon93]

Wolverine could be the first good one.

Wrong, wrong. Don't be rediculous. The little fan-boy inside of you is getting to excited, 'Wolverine' will be a disaster, and it'll make you sad

 

[NavSealShark]

What? Wolverine will be great.

 

[The Major]

I think this has major potential if done right.

Yup.

It all comes down down to it being "done right".

 

[Chris Wallace]

Like I said, either we get some lame explanation for his survival or we get VINO. Neither sits well with me. One of the main things that turned me off of Venom was all the copycats that came along, & making him interchangeable. A villain-or a hero-has nothing going for them if ANYBODY can take on the persona.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

What? Wolverine will be great.

agreed

SHNIKT!

 

[Texas Zombie]

No one ever said venom wasn't bad. The method that he does thing make him one of the most gruesome anti Heroes. Well the New Goblin was bad. Venom survives all kinds of stuff and usually even if he is set on fire his body heals... Over lots of time and rest. In the comic book world he would have survived that no problem.

NVM. Venom was trying to kill spidey and goblin jumped in the way. He wasn't just in the way.

 

[Chris Wallace]

There's a big difference between being burned & being COMPLETELY INCINERATED.

 

[thejon93]

What? Wolverine will be great.

agreed

SHNIKT!

Have you actually paid attention to the diologue. Set reports claim that this film is a complete and utter disaster, the acting was horrible(minus Hugh and Liev), the story was bad, the diologue was bad, the movie was reported to be bad, everything, minus the action; some have said. Anyhow, expect another 'Elektra'(basically one actress giving a great performance and maybe some action sequences, not nearly enough to stop derailing the movie itself to be an absolute suck-fest) with the release of 'Wolverine', proves that 'Fox' can't handle making spin-offs, so let's see how Sony does.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Have you actually paid attention to the diologue. Set reports claim that this film is a complete and utter disaster, the acting was horrible(minus Hugh and Liev), the story was bad, the diologue was bad, the movie was reported to be bad, everything, minus the action; some have said. Anyhow, expect another 'Elektra'(basically one actress giving a great performance and maybe some action sequences, not nearly enough to stop derailing the movie itself to be an absolute suck-fest) with the release of 'Wolverine', proves that 'Fox' can't handle making spin-offs, so let's see how Sony does.

One report from a guy that buzz junkies aren't sure is a Fox rep and hasn't said anything since. It may be true but I think this will be more of a character driven film about a dark past than action oriented. I think Fox wants action action action but I think Gavin Hood has made a movie about a man's struggle to control the animal within.

Don't forget that Braveheart once had rumors that it was going to be a catastrophe and that Mel Gibson would never direct another film.

Same goes for Batman Begins, some studio nerd was pissed that the movie felt more character oriented than action packed "Superhero" style movie. I loved Batman Begins bc of the beginning of trace of the character. I would rather know how Wolverine got to where he is than watch him cut people up for no reason for 2 hours.

 

[thejon93]

One report from a guy that buzz junkies aren't sure is a Fox rep and hasn't said anything since. It may be true but I think this will be more of a character driven film about a dark past than action oriented. I think Fox wants action action action but I think Gavin Hood has made a movie about a man's struggle to control the animal within.

Don't forget that Braveheart once had rumors that it was going to be a catastrophe and that Mel Gibson would never direct another film.

Same goes for Batman Begins, some studio nerd was pissed that the movie felt more character oriented than action packed "Superhero" style movie. I loved Batman Begins bc of the beginning of trace of the character. I would rather know how Wolverine got to where he is than watch him cut people up for no reason for 2 hours.

Whatever, the buzz is a bunch of crap. I'm bettin' they paid to silence the guy to keep the buzz going... I realized once I heard this, and once I saw the trailer that this film was a pile of garbage. And it will be known as a pile of garbage on it's release, I guarentee you that.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

The reason this movie is bound to fail is because it's going to be a Venom movie in name only. It's goin' to be a spin-off, extrapolating on the story of a character from Spider-Man 3 who bares certain similarities to a great comic book bad guy called Venom.
Why is this even being made? Spider-Man 3 ground that franchise to a halt, it's universally accepted that one of the reasons it was so badly received was because of the terrible, unforgivable handling of Venom, now Fox, in an attempt to revive interest in Spider-man without having to make another sequel are trying to remedy the problem by... Making a Venom movie!! And who says Hollywood producers are dense, huh?

 

[WeaponXProject]

Whatever, the buzz is a bunch of crap. I'm bettin' they paid to silence the guy to keep the buzz going... I realized once I heard this, and once I saw the trailer that this film was a pile of garbage. And it will be known as a pile of garbage on it's release, I guarentee you that.

What's wrong with the trailer? They openly said that the CGI wasn't even finished in most scenes. Everyone I know and have talked to loved it. Liev looks great, way better than Mane. The story seems similar to his past.

Who would pay someone to stop them? They would fire him. The trailer was a huge hit at comic con and all the buzz after comic con was how great Wolverine and Watchmen looked.

 

[thejon93]

What's wrong with the trailer? They openly said that the CGI wasn't even finished in most scenes. Everyone I know and have talked to loved it. Liev looks great, way better than Mane. The story seems similar to his past.

Who would pay someone to stop them? They would fire him. The trailer was a huge hit at comic con and all the buzz after comic con was how great Wolverine and Watchmen looked.

Were you too caught up with Gambit and Ryan Reynolds to catch the fact that the diologue was horrible and the acting(apart from Hugh and Liev) was horrible as well? Trailers are met to make a movie look good, for me... this 'Wolverine' trailer didn't do anything to make me believe this will be a good movie. We all felt Jennifer Garner was great as Elektra, but that didn't make her spin-off movie great, now did it? So do me a favour, don't raise your hopes for 'Wolverine', because then you'll claim that you knew it all along and so will all of it's "former" fans by the time of the film's release.

 

[KangConquers]

Were you too caught up with Gambit and Ryan Reynolds to catch the fact that the diologue was horrible and the acting(apart from Hugh and Liev) was horrible as well? Trailers are met to make a movie look good, for me... this 'Wolverine' trailer didn't do anything to make me believe this will be a good movie. We all felt Jennifer Garner was great as Elektra, but that didn't make her spin-off movie great, now did it? So do me a favour, don't raise your hopes for 'Wolverine', because then you'll claim that you knew it all along and so will all of it's "former" fans by the time of the film's release.

I didn't think Jen Garner was any good as Elektra.

She's way too disney princess to be a cold assassin.

Venom is way too 1-dimensional of a character to ever pull of a quality film.

 

[thejon93]

I didn't think Jen Garner was any good as Elektra.

She's way too disney princess to be a cold assassin.

Venom is way too 1-dimensional of a character to ever pull of a quality film.

Well, your opinion doesn't matter, mine does.

Anyhow, back on topic, I'd like to see them go for a 'Venom' "movie" not "spin-off", simply because I'd like to see Venom have a new story born from the film itself, and I'm interested in seeing how 'Sony' handles a character that needs all the help he can get. And no doubt you(Mister 'KangConquers') will try and complain: "Oh, why waste your time with Venom?", "There are other great comic-book characters!". True, but I think that Venom could become something much more than a mindless, muscle-flexing imbusile, if they're willing to take a chance, ignore the fans, and move Venom into a direction where Venom is the bad guy, and Eddie Brock is just normal, not no straight-laced, tuck-in your shirt, boy-scout. Just a normal guy who's experienced many bad things in his lifetime which drives Venom to be the bad guy as he models that rage to the symbiote's own advantage. I honestly hope that this is the path they are willing to take, because if they do take this route, Venom can become something much more than another one of Spider-Man's rogues.

 

[The Major]

Well, your opinion doesn't matter, mine does.

Anyhow, back on topic, I'd like to see them go for a 'Venom' "movie" not "spin-off", simply because I'd like to see Venom have a new story born from the film itself, and I'm interested in seeing how 'Sony' handles a character that needs all the help he can get. And no doubt you(Mister 'KangConquers') will try and complain: "Oh, why waste your time with Venom?", "There are other great comic-book characters!". True, but I think that Venom could become something much more than a mindless, muscle-flexing imbusile, if they're willing to take a chance, ignore the fans, and move Venom into a direction where Venom is the bad guy, and Eddie Brock is just normal, not no straight-laced, tuck-in your shirt, boy-scout. Just a normal guy who's experienced many bad things in his lifetime which drives Venom to be the bad guy as he models that rage to the symbiote's own advantage. I honestly hope that this is the path they are willing to take, because if they do take this route, Venom can become something much more than another one of Spider-Man's rogues.

Agreed.

 

[KangConquers]

Well, your opinion doesn't matter, mine does.

Hush boy; adults are speaking. Go play in your sandbox.

There's no need to completely REINVENT the character just so you can have your black suit fanboyism satiated. He's not worthy of a solo film; his solo comic was a disaster, and the angle you're going with for the reinvention is another bland, anti-hero angle. Yawn. Wow, how original. An anti-hero. In a black costume. Wow.

 

[The Major]

Hush boy; adults are speaking. Go play in your sandbox.

There's no need to completely REINVENT the character just so you can have your black suit fanboyism satiated.

A reinvention may be their best option. They are in a bind if they stay completely true to Spider-man 3's finale and the solo movie would allow Venom to have a better shot in film since he wasn't given a good shot in his introduction.

He's not worthy of a solo film;

He's not worthy to you. For Venom fans and Sony he is worthy of getting a solo film.

his solo comic was a disaster,

So was Blade's.

and the angle you're going with for the reinvention

A reinvention more faithful to the comics.

is another bland, anti-hero angle. Yawn. Wow, how original. An anti-hero. In a black costume. Wow.

While I disagree Venom's bland that is what the character is supposed to be like.