Venom Venom: The Last Dance

[Spider-Fan]

Global take of $175 mil isn't bad. Considering the budget. But it does look like it will come in under the first 2

 

[Goat Galactus]

In regards to the name itself; last dance? i mean wouldn't it have been better as "last stand?" though they can mean the same thing in this case. I hope to see Garfiled vs Venom someday but atleast hes got NWH app. I know Tom Hardy said something about hoping to match with holland someday; how bout venom vs all THREE spider-man? wishful thinking

 

[Venom 1988]

In regards to the name itself; last dance? i mean wouldn't it have been better as "last stand?" though they can mean the same thing in this case

Nah I think The Last Dance fits the quirkiness of this franchise.

 

[kguillou]

So international box office is saving this movie it seems. Thats not a bad opening weekend haul especially for its weekend. But with that cinemascore im wondering if we’re looking at a massive dropoff next weekend.

 

[TheVileOne]

Its because most movie goers aren't really that critical when giving these scores. So most of the scores are probably letter A for the simple fact that they enjoyed the film and scoring a film they just saw isn't that serious. So its not that common to hand out scores like B- or a D unless they really had a bad time watching a movie (Joker Folie a Deux).

Than a B- score still shouldn't be that bad and this should be more like a C- instead.

 

[TheVileOne]

According to the founder Ed Mintz:

"A's generally are good, B's generally are shaky, and C's are terrible.

IMHO a B is a bit better than shaky. In school a C is closer to shaky because it means you are close to failing.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Still more than Joker 2.

And still significantly less than Deadpool and Wolverine, since those are at least both thirds in their trilogies, if we want to make comparisons.

Still, probably doesn't bode well for an even lesser known character like Kraven.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

This shared Spider-Man universe continues to be dead on arrival.

 

[TheVileOne]

An opening like that is not good because studios like Sony rely on a big sequel like Venom to provide big returns and profits. Studios don't release sequels like Venom 3 just to "break even." This was just over half of what the second movie did, and that was during a global pandemic.

And the main reason the sequel did that well was the hook of finally seeing Venom vs. Carnage onscreen, something it didn't even do well.

 

[Ihmago]

And still significantly less than Deadpool and Wolverine, since those are at least both thirds in their trilogies, if we want to make comparisons.

Still, probably doesn't bode well for an even lesser known character like Kraven.

Well it doesn't seem fair to compare it against Deadpool and Wolverine. Those are 2 well known and loved characters.
Now if this movie would have been called "Spider-Man and Venom"...

 

[DarkKnight88]

And the main reason the sequel did that well was the hook of finally seeing Venom vs. Carnage onscreen, something it didn't even do well.

This…

Well it doesn't seem fair to compare it against Deadpool and Wolverine. Those are 2 well known and loved characters.
Now if this movie would have been called "Spider-Man and Venom"...

And this…

Carnage was an event to see on screen. What did this third offer in terms of villain? Nothing that topped Carnage.

Spider-Man was the next likely to really push it over the top - would’ve probably opened on par with No Way Home if it did.

 

[sdgrandia86]

Just came out from the theater, still processing it, but found it fun and a bit frustrating. It had a lot of heart and a lot of moments that really humanized a lot of the characters. It had humor that landed very well but also some that just kind of went overboard and undermined. You can tell the cast and crew had a lot of fun and really cared about their characters. It had elements from the 90s solo series that made me very happy, one in particular was seeing

Spoiler: Spoiler

Venom absorb the xeno-creatures and transforming into the monstrosity behemoth i remember from Venom the Madness

In the end, it keept me wanting more. I do need to watch a 2nd time.

Ranking

Venom
VenomTLD
Venom LTBC

 

[Spider-Fan]

This…


And this…

Carnage was an event to see on screen. What did this third offer in terms of villain? Nothing that topped Carnage.

Spider-Man was the next likely to really push it over the top - would’ve probably opened on par with No Way Home if it did.

Which is why I think the SM4 rumors are going to end up true. This movie existed essentially to introduce Knull and bridge the gap.

 

[RiXi]

I personally thought this could easily be the best one of the trilogy (sure, isn't saying a slot, but still).

The action scenes were really good. I feel Kelly Marcel could continue directing in the genre.

Surprised at the revelation that it's been only a year since the first movie. Sure this one takes place just days after Let There be Carnage, but it felt like a bigger gap between the first and second one.

I know her character didn't fit the story and including her would've felt forced, but the movie lacked Michelle Williams.

Now, so many people saying this leads to Spider-Man 4 but I never really felt that was the case...?
For starters:

Spoiler

They retconned NWH's post credits scene, and I'm seeing a lot of people missing that out. They make sure to show you the bar scene, but this time you don't see Venom leaving the piece of symbiote in the MCU. He leaves it after returning to his universe.

Now, being a huge Spider-Man fan, I don't know what he could do against someone like Knull. A whole team of symbiotes couldn't really beat his minions.

I'd question how would Knull travel to the MCU, but since he's the god of symbiotes and they connect multiversally, I suppose that wouldn't be hard to explain if they wanted to go that route.

But I honestly think, maybe it's wishful thinking, that this isn't leading to SM4. I think Sony is moving forward with their Sinister 6 movie. Except they'll be anti/heroes just like Venom has been.

Venom is alive possessing the roach from his piece kept by Imperium, as seen in the post credits scene and made obvious by the dialogue at the beginning.
Agony is there as well, with a host that seems to be compatible.
They'll bring back Morbious because of course they will.
We'll soon have both Kraven and Rhino in this universe.
They'll retcon Morbious' post credits scene as well, I'm sure, so no Vulture. They'd be missing just one member. Two if they don't use Agony for not being well-known, but it'd be a waste since they already gave us her origin story. Heck, the doctor could end up being Eddie's romantic interest.

If they don't fear the risk, they could have Madame Web be the one to assemble them. She'd be 20 years older than in her movie, so if Dakota doesn't want to come back they could recast.

And lastly I believe Eddie being in NY at the end is very much on purpose. He'll already be there when the team up happens, maybe working at that universe's Daily Bugle, and will reunite with Venom until the third act as the "big gun".

 

[Spider-Fan]

I personally thought this could easily be the best one of the trilogy (sure, isn't saying a slot, but still).

The action scenes were really good. I feel Kelly Marcel could continue directing in the genre.

Surprised at the revelation that it's been only a year since the first movie. Sure this one takes place just days after Let There be Carnage, but it felt like a bigger gap between the first and second one.

I know her character didn't fit the story and including her would've felt forced, but the movie lacked Michelle Williams.

Now, so many people saying this leads to Spider-Man 4 but I never really felt that was the case...?
For starters:

Spoiler

They retconned NWH's post credits scene, and I'm seeing a lot of people missing that out. They make sure to show you the bar scene, but this time you don't see Venom leaving the piece of symbiote in the MCU. He leaves it after returning to his universe.

Now, being a huge Spider-Man fan, I don't know what he could do against someone like Knull. A whole team of symbiotes couldn't really beat his minions.

I'd question how would Knull travel to the MCU, but since he's the god of symbiotes and they connect multiversally, I suppose that wouldn't be hard to explain if they wanted to go that route.

But I honestly think, maybe it's wishful thinking, that this isn't leading to SM4. I think Sony is moving forward with their Sinister 6 movie. Except they'll be anti/heroes just like Venom has been.

Venom is alive possessing the roach from his piece kept by Imperium, as seen in the post credits scene and made obvious by the dialogue at the beginning.
Agony is there as well, with a host that seems to be compatible.
They'll bring back Morbious because of course they will.
We'll soon have both Kraven and Rhino in this universe.
They'll retcon Morbious' post credits scene as well, I'm sure, so no Vulture. They'd be missing just one member. Two if they don't use Agony for not being well-known, but it'd be a waste since they already gave us her origin story. Heck, the doctor could end up being Eddie's romantic interest.

If they don't fear the risk, they could have Madame Web be the one to assemble them. She'd be 20 years older than in her movie, so if Dakota doesn't want to come back they could recast.

And lastly I believe Eddie being in NY at the end is very much on purpose. He'll already be there when the team up happens, maybe working at that universe's Daily Bugle, and will reunite with Venom until the third act as the "big gun".

Spoiler

I cannot see them making Knull the bad guy of Sinister Six and having that be where this ends up simply cause we know Sony wants a multiversal SM4. Why waste your potential threat on Sinister Six? Sinister Six is DOA. Look at the Morbius BO and Kraven is surely gonna flop too. Even Venom 3 is gonna be a decline from Venom 2 to Venom 3. Spider-Man is where the money is going to be. Also is where Sony will be willing to spend over 200 mil on the movie.

 

[Venom 1988]

Spoiler

They retconned NWH's post credits scene, and I'm seeing a lot of people missing that out. They make sure to show you the bar scene, but this time you don't see Venom leaving the piece of symbiote in the MCU. He leaves it after returning to his universe.

Spoiler

I don't really see this as a retcon. Rewatching the NWH credits scene to verify, it looks in this movie they cut away right when Eddie is disapearing on the shot of the bartender's face being shocked. Which is before you could actually see that the symbiote is left behind, after the bartender is complaining that Eddie didn't pay. So I don't see this contradicting anything.

 

[Ihmago]

Spoiler

They retconned NWH's post credits scene, and I'm seeing a lot of people missing that out. They make sure to show you the bar scene, but this time you don't see Venom leaving the piece of symbiote in the MCU. He leaves it after returning to his universe.

Spoiler

I dont think thats a retcon at all...I think that symbiote part is still in Spider-Man universe. They even tricked us with the trailer into thinking they captured it but in the movie they were actually in Eddie's universe.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spoiler

I dont think thats a retcon at all...I think that symbiote part is still in Spider-Man universe. They even tricked us with the trailer into thinking they captured it but in the movie they were actually in Eddie's universe.

Felt like a retcon to me.

 

[kguillou]

I think Sony hasnt had a damn clue since day one how any of these Spiderman-less movies would fit into anything they’ve just been throwing stuff at the wall hoping something would stick and then they’d figure it out later. But they sure are going to keep dangling that carrot of “this MAY be connected to MCU Spiderman…maybe sort of kind of!” to keep fooling people into watching these.

 

[LoganPool]

My wife and I saw this on Saturday, and we both had a blast with it! Sure it's got flaws, but what a fun ride. Looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow.

Venom: The Last Dance 8/10
Venom 7.5/10
Venom: Let There Be Carnage 6/10

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

this was so boring

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

BREAKING: Venom 3 is absolute dog ****.

In other news, water is still wet.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I saw it on opening day, and I can't wait for the Blu-ray to hit. It was darker than it's predecessors, yet there was still the trademark humor. Tom Hardy is one of the greatest castings ever for a CBM. The ending was emotional, although the mid/post credits scenes obviously cast doubt on this being a true end.

I would have liked to have seen more of the symbiotes, and I definitely missed Michelle Williams as Anne Weying, but this film gave us so much, that the criticisms feel very minor. This was chaotic ride, and if this is truly the end for this version of the Lethal Protector, I can't thank Sony enough. That is a sentence that I never thought that I would write.

Also, I picked up this gorgeous popcorn bucket to commemorate the occasion.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I wish we had seen as much action in LTBC as there is in TLD. I don't know what the budget was for LTBC, I assume it was much lower than this movie. These were definitely not the films that I had envisioned when I became a fan 30 years ago.

 

[blueharvest]

I wish we had seen as much action in LTBC as there is in TLD. I dont know what the budget was for LTBC, I assume it was much lower than this movie.

Let There Be Carnage had a budget of $110 million, I think. And Venom 3 was $120 million.