The Dark Knight Rises Villains you most want to see in sequels? (Post fan art if yee wish)

[Mr. Earle]

I know I run the risk of sounding completely stupid asking this, but I'm watching Batman: Under the Red Hood as I type this, and I'm just wondering...does Black Mask have much more in the way of interesting character traits beyond this angry mob boss with a skull for a face shtick?

He's a sadist and... that's it.

The support must be coming from somewhere.

Fans dont read the comics and see a glorified mobster with a weird mask and think that he's awesome. But he sucks.

 

[Doc Samson]

He's a sadist and... that's it.
Fans dont read the comics and see a glorified mobster with a weird mask and think that he's awesome. But he sucks.

I think it's all a matter of personal opinion and taste. Personally I think Black Mask could be a strong villain, and I read comics. On the other hand, I think Catwoman sucks, and has zero depth that wasn't already explored previously. I think Robin/Nightwing, Penguin and the Riddler all suck too, but in the hands of Nolan, I would at least give it a try because I feel he wouldn't use them unless he found something there that made sense for the story he wanted to tell.

 

[Figs]

He's a sadist and... that's it.
Fans dont read the comics and see a glorified mobster with a weird mask and think that he's awesome. But he sucks.

Meh, I read the comics and while I don't think he's awesome I do like him. It's really the opposite, the people who don't tend to read the comics and haven't read All of his stories are the ones that hate on him.

 

[Mistah K88]

Penguin is one of my favorite villains but he wouldnt work on film - hes just a guy with a long nose and shooting umbrellas, thats why he had to be reinvented for BR. Hes great in cartoons and comic books, but in a movie, in his unchanged form, I dont think he'd work.

There's also the fact that he is one of the few cold stone sane Batman villains. Also, to be honest his normality makes him one of the best rouges for Nolan to take on. He's was the anti Bruce Wayne (whereas Joker is the anti-Batman) far before fellows like Black Mask and Hush showed up. With his "Gentleman of Crime" personality, he could be a completely different spin on the mob element. The other mobsters (Falcone and Maroni) ruled Gotham through fear and intimidation. Oswald Cobblepot would rely on manipulation and is more on the white collared side of crime. He could even generally be well liked by the Gotham public.

 

[baleheadbrasil]

Who I´d like to see in this movie...by order:

1-Talia Al Ghul(I´m crazy to see what Nolan will make with her if she is in the movie...I´m very excited about this possibility)
2-Black Mask(an interesting villain that could work very well in Nolanverse)
3-Catwoman(If not Talia,I´d like to see Catwoman as love interest,but...played by a decent actress...in my pointview,of course t
4-Hugo Strange(reading about him I think it would be interesting to see)
5-Deadshot(he´d be a good menace to Batman)

 

[GothamAlleys]

There's also the fact that he is one of the few cold stone sane Batman villains. Also, to be honest his normality makes him one of the best rouges for Nolan to take on. He's was the anti Bruce Wayne (whereas Joker is the anti-Batman) far before fellows like Black Mask and Hush showed up. With his "Gentleman of Crime" personality, he could be a completely different spin on the mob element. The other mobsters (Falcone and Maroni) ruled Gotham through fear and intimidation. Oswald Cobblepot would rely on manipulation and is more on the white collared side of crime. He could even generally be well liked by the Gotham public.

Perhaps, but the fact remains that outside of his "gentleman" stance and perhaps unique weapons, he's still just a mobster. I think even with the "our reality" approach, Nolan also needs flashy and unique villains. We got Scarecrow in BB and Joker and Two Face in TDK. A chubby mobster would leave a lot to desire after the villains we got in the first 2 movies. Not to sound like I dont like Penguin - hes one of my favorite villains, but for this movie series I think he wouldnt be enough. Thats why I think Bane would be a perfect choice - he is manipulative, extremely intelligent and strong

 

[Matt Mortem]

At this point, I'm cool with whichever villain Nolan wants to use. He has yet to **** any of them up so I say go for it! Do whatcha gotta do.

 

[Spiderine]

Why can't Penguin be reimagined as an arms dealer or weapons supplier given his status in Gotham. He could still be a prominent citizen in Gotham as he moonlights in the underworld without being an all out typical mobster. Maybe even being involved in the Gotham politics. It gives an interesting spin on the character without making him a main villain.

 

[GothamAlleys]

The idea is to adjust the viallin or take the essence of him (like with Joker), but not redo him too drastically to the point it had very little to do with its comic counterpart. Penguin could be reimagined, but it would take too many changes. Then again, it worked for BR, so a total reimagination may work with TDKR too

 

[ModestMr.Green]

Oswald Cobblepot for DA.

 

[Spiderine]

He would only be known by his Penguin alias in the underworld dealing with Gotham's crime bosses or in this case Black Mask. He could be the one supplying the weapon caches to Black Mask's criminal empire. Oswald Cobblepot an aristocrat and politician perhaps city councilman by day all while moonlighting his secret identity as the Penguin. He would be very vocal in helping to spearhead the city's capture of Batman of course for his own personal reasons. Sort of a side villain in the sense like Scarecrow was.

 

[Mr. Earle]

- Black Mask could be a strong villain,
- Catwoman sucks, and has zero depth
- Robin sucks
- Nightwing sucks
- Penguin sucks
- Riddler sucks

 

[Secret Fawful]

He's a sadist and... that's it.
Fans dont read the comics and see a glorified mobster with a weird mask and think that he's awesome. But he sucks.

And some fans do read the comics and still think he's awesome.

 

[Matt Mortem]

damn thats funny

 

[Doc Samson]

This was the same feeling I had from your original post. You made it seem as if anybody who liked Black Mask obviously never read a book or knew much about him, as that would surely be enough to unearth how crappy he was as a character. So I decided to show you that although I'm a staunch Batman fan, and comic book reader, there's a whole host of characters I never thought were that strong IMO. Your entitled to yours, as I am mine. I would also wish if your going to quote anything, make sure you grab the whole quote

 

[Mr. Earle]

And some fans do read the comics and still think he's awesome.

Oh yeah, i know there are fans who do read the comics, but like i said, it is my impression that most comic book readers hate him.

This was the same feeling I had from your original post. You made it seem as if anybody who liked Black Mask obviously never read a book or knew much about him, as that would surely be enough to unearth how crappy he was as a character. So I decided to show you that although I'm a staunch Batman fan, and comic book reader, there's a whole host of characters I never thought were that strong IMO. Your entitled to yours, as I am mine.

Of course we are all entitled to our opinions, but i was suprised to see you untouched by so many beloved characters.

I would also wish if your going to quote anything, make sure you grab the whole quote

I did quote the basic part of it, didnt i?

 

[Doc Samson]

Of course we are all entitled to our opinions, but i was suprised to see you untouched by so many beloved characters.I did quote the basic part of it, didnt i?

No harm no foul. I'm just more partial to the darker characters in the Batman universe, and it's pretty much been that way since my youth. That being said, I respect what those other characters mean to many people, and to the property itself, but I wouldn't lose sleep if they never show up in any Batman film now, or going forward. But I guess that's just me...

 

[Secret Fawful]

Oh yeah, i know there are fans who do read the comics, but like i said, it is my impression that most comic book readers hate him.

I'm honestly surprised that anyone would think he was cool from his design. As a Black Mask fan, it's not very inspired or amazing. His design is what you've said, a gangster with a black mask/black skull for a head. His design was never anything incredible.

For me, it's his snarky wit that makes me love his character. Black Mask is a cheeky, cocky dude. Complete arrogance-The Han Solo of the rogues gallery.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

No harm no foul. I'm just more partial to the darker characters in the Batman universe, and it's pretty much been that way since my youth. That being said, I respect what those other characters mean to many people, and to the property itself, but I wouldn't lose sleep if they never show up in any Batman film now, or going forward. But I guess that's just me...

Doc you're quickly becoming one of my personal heroes on this forum...I agree completly, I've always been more of a fan of the darker characters, the true sadists in the Bat-verse. Black Mask would be great, and I think there's a good chance we might get him.

 

[returntovoid]

The Monk
Hugo Strange
The Riddler (After that Jim Carrey disaster, reinvention is needed)
Deathstroke
Killer Croc
Man-Bat
Catwoman (But there's no need to top the Batman Returns rendition, just a bit different but still on par)

 

[The Englishman]

A poster a while back posted that BB and TDK had the main villains of the movies in this style

Batman Begins:
Main Villain: Ra's al Ghul
Supporting Villan: The Scarecrow
Mob Villain: Carmine Falcone
Cameo Villain; Zsasz

The Dark Knight:
Main Villain: The Joker
Supporting Villain: Two Face
Mob Villain: Sal Moroni
Cameo Villain: The Scarecrow

So if they follow this pattern for the villains of The Dark Knight Rises then i would like to see.....

Main Villain: Talia al Ghul (+ LoS)
Supporting Villain: Bane
Mob Villain: Black Mask/ The Penguin
Cameo Villian: Firefly/ Deadshot

Im still dissapointed that THe Riddler as been ruled out though.

 

[returntovoid]

For Nolan's third film only.

Main Villain: Hugo Strange (2nd choice would be Riddler but he's ruled out)
Supporting Villain: Deathstroke
Mob Villain: Rupert Thorne (Small role, so the film is not too busy)
Cameo Villain: Voice of Joker in darkened Arkham cell (Or no cameo villain)
+Catwoman as thief/anti-hero/love interest

 

[regwec]

I don't understand how Deathstroke would work. The whole point of Slade is that he is a metahuman assassin. Nolan doesn't like metahumans, it is probably fair to speculate. Take that away, and you have David Caine.

In orange.

 

[returntovoid]

I don't understand how Deathstroke would work. The whole point of Slade is that he is a metahuman assassin. Nolan doesn't like metahumans, it is probably fair to speculate. Take that away, and you have David Caine.

In orange.

What if they don't have to say he's metahuman or show him healing.

Or they should just use Deadshot or Killer Croc.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I don't understand how Deathstroke would work. The whole point of Slade is that he is a metahuman assassin. Nolan doesn't like metahumans, it is probably fair to speculate. Take that away, and you have David Caine.

In orange.

Sometimes i hate Nolan so much...