Visualizing A Superman Reboot: Pictures Welcome

[Showtime]

That was quite inventive.

 

[El Payaso]

And so funny I need some pill to stop laughing.

 

[mego joe]

Just posting about it a 1000th time I guess.

Glad you're keeping track for me.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm even more of a self-torturing guy.

 

[VenomsMom]

Actually, I can't think of a single story thread I would want to see followed up on. Even the crystal thing strikes me as boring. The ONLY thing I can think of, which won't even count would be to have an explanation of how everything in SR didn't really happen. That's how bad I think SR was. It's not even worth watching a second time.

There are lessons to be learned. And values that must be....practiced.

 

[El Payaso]

Not really.

 

[superbaby]

Not really.

whay didn't you name some and suggest to us how you would like to see them develop?

 

[El Payaso]

Fatherhood - Supeerman needs to be in touch with his son and at the same time he needs to hide the fact that Jason's is his son, so no one can use him as a way to blackmail him in the future. Superman needs to teach his son he'll be different and might feel alone but their powers are a huge gift to protect humanity and serve jutice. Superman also might feel it's necessary to lecture his son about their Kryptonian heritage (Kryptonian history and society, what Jor-El meant to Krypton in its last days as a Justice Bringer and scientist) as well as his terrestrial heritage (what Martha and Jonathan Kent taught him.)

On another note, Superman will have to decide whether Richard must or musn't know that Jason is not his real son and what will be life for him be as a father or adoptive father.

Love - Superman will have to decide whether he's gonna be with Lois or just let her to live his life with Richard. In the same way he'll have to decxide to show Lois his true identity in order to actually know if Lois is either in love with him or just what he represents.

Luthor - Lex knows Jason is Superman's son so Supes and Jason are not safe as long as Lex is missing, because he can come back and take advantage on what he knows about Superman and his son and he could announce the world Jason's Superman's son so Superman's enemies around the world will pester the poor kid.

A new villiain - as rumoured, a new super-powered villiain will come on stage so Superman has fights to fight aside of his current issues.



Now, how will those be developed?

Superman decides to Tell Lois they should tell Richard the truth about Jason, since Richard is a good-heatred and brave man, Superman should let Jason to live as his adopted son but he should underestand Superman needs to teach the kid about his heritage and mission on the world.

Superman should quit Lois and just wait if she will be happy with Richard or she'll just decide to quit her family life in order to be with Superman forever. If she stays with Richard, Superman should keep his identity a secret, but if she tells him she wants to be with him, then Superman should tell her immediately he is and always has been Clark. And apologize by not having told her before adducing his reasons.

Superman should look for Lex's body (if he thinks he died) because not only Lex is a criminal but he's aware of his fatherhood and Superman should make himself sure Luthor is not going to make it public. Of course, without killing him.

About the new super-villian let's go for Brainiac or a giuant version of Metallo. Some real challenge.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I like the idea of Brainiac finding Lex on the island as an orb. The energy source allows his helicopter to work. He has furthered his knowledge and power of kryptonian technology. Gets Lexcorp off the ground, the government will work with a criminal if he'll supply them with such weapons. Lexcorp is able to happen now. He recruits a villain/pawn creates Metallo as the unstoppable villain against Superman. Something like that

 

[superbaby]

Fatherhood - Supeerman needs to be in touch with his son and at the same time he needs to hide the fact that Jason's is his son, so no one can use him as a way to blackmail him in the future. Superman needs to teach his son he'll be different and might feel alone but their powers are a huge gift to protect humanity and serve jutice. Superman also might feel it's necessary to lecture his son about their Kryptonian heritage (Kryptonian history and society, what Jor-El meant to Krypton in its last days as a Justice Bringer and scientist) as well as his terrestrial heritage (what Martha and Jonathan Kent taught him.)

On another note, Superman will have to decide whether Richard must or musn't know that Jason is not his real son and what will be life for him be as a father or adoptive father.

Love - Superman will have to decide whether he's gonna be with Lois or just let her to live his life with Richard. In the same way he'll have to decxide to show Lois his true identity in order to actually know if Lois is either in love with him or just what he represents.

Luthor - Lex knows Jason is Superman's son so Supes and Jason are not safe as long as Lex is missing, because he can come back and take advantage on what he knows about Superman and his son and he could announce the world Jason's Superman's son so Superman's enemies around the world will pester the poor kid.

A new villiain - as rumoured, a new super-powered villiain will come on stage so Superman has fights to fight aside of his current issues.



Now, how will those be developed?

Superman decides to Tell Lois they should tell Richard the truth about Jason, since Richard is a good-heatred and brave man, Superman should let Jason to live as his adopted son but he should underestand Superman needs to teach the kid about his heritage and mission on the world.

Superman should quit Lois and just wait if she will be happy with Richard or she'll just decide to quit her family life in order to be with Superman forever. If she stays with Richard, Superman should keep his identity a secret, but if she tells him she wants to be with him, then Superman should tell her immediately he is and always has been Clark. And apologize by not having told her before adducing his reasons.

Superman should look for Lex's body (if he thinks he died) because not only Lex is a criminal but he's aware of his fatherhood and Superman should make himself sure Luthor is not going to make it public. Of course, without killing him.

About the new super-villian let's go for Brainiac or a giuant version of Metallo. Some real challenge.

glad to know that you're buying that drama. do you think the general movie goers can engage/relate themselves into that drama?
btw, before singer, since WB dicided to make a new superman movie in 1997 or since the superman character being introduced, have you ever want to see a superman as a father movie?

 

[El Payaso]

glad to know that you're buying that drama. do you think the general movie goers can engage/relate themselves into that drama?

What do I care?

btw, before singer, since WB dicided to make a new superman movie in 1997 or since the superman character being introduced, have you ever want to see a superman as a father movie?

Never. It went over my expectations.



Now that you asked for ideas and arguments and I put them, how about you backing up your complains in a decent way just to make us even?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

^ I honestly wished I cared as much as you did about this Superman being a father storyline. It doesn't interest me at all and I want something to look forward to in the sequel.

 

[C. Lee]

glad to know that you're buying that drama. do you think the general movie goers can engage/relate themselves into that drama?
btw, before singer, since WB dicided to make a new superman movie in 1997 or since the superman character being introduced, have you ever want to see a superman as a father movie?

YOU....asked him to discuss how he would like the storylines from SR to develope in the sequels....he did it.....so why the snarky response back...is it because his views don't totlaly agree with yours?

We get it...you didn't like SR...great....everyone is allowed an opinion (unless of course they disagree with you it appears)....and they are allowed to discuss it.

 

[El Payaso]

^ I honestly wished I cared as much as you did about this Superman being a father storyline. It doesn't interest me at all and I want something to look forward to in the sequel.

With no irony or sarcasm I invite you to talk about that 'something.'

 

[FlawlessVictory]

With no irony or sarcasm I invite you to talk about that 'something.'

Actually, there is one thing concerning Jason and Superman's connection to him that I could look forward to if it was handled in this manner or similar to this. It was an idea that Showtime mentioned yesterday. I'll just post his quote:

I really like the idea of The Eradictor being used in some capacity along with Brainiac. I think depowering the kid would be a very hard choice for Superman, and would really be a selfless act.

At the end of Returns he was finally content that somebody else was out there, one of his kind. Imagine if he knew the only way to save his child was to wipe out his heritage causing him to "bleed like an ordinary man".

Now that Superman's crystals are gone and he has no way to contact his father, the kid's powers can never be brought back either as his were in Superman 2, if that is part of vague history.

Also the chamber was used previously so it is not a cheap novelty in the story such as the case with "Cellophane \S/" throwing. Part of the original intention of The Eradicator was to keep Kryptonian heritage pure I believe, so this would fit in with the character's history.

I really like this idea because it covers both a personal/emotional conflict for Superman and then we can get our physical conflict as well with the Eradicator or an Eradicator/Brainiac hybrid. But I seriously feel that this is just wishful thinking. I doubt Singer has ever even heard of the Eradicator or the potential that character affords him regarding Jason's Kryptonian impurity. I didn't see much of Singer's imagination in SR which makes me think we wouldn't get something along these lines in the sequel. I hope I am proved wrong though.

 

[superbaby]

YOU....asked him to discuss how he would like the storylines from SR to develope in the sequels....he did it.....so why the snarky response back...is it because his views don't totlaly agree with yours?

We get it...you didn't like SR...great....everyone is allowed an opinion (unless of course they disagree with you it appears)....and they are allowed to discuss it.

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oh great... now i'm labeled...

 

[superbaby]

What do I care?



Never. It went over my expectations.



Now that you asked for ideas and arguments and I put them, how about you backing up your complains in a decent way just to make us even?

read the 1st & 2nd posts of the thread to know about my ideas.

 

[El Payaso]

Yes yes, I read them. And I miust say I was glad they picked up the crystals to develop the story in SR. I was asking for backing up your complain when the right time comes.

 

[VenomsMom]

We all can expect Brainiac for the next villain. And all the secrets of Krypton will be revealed.

 

[C. Lee]

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oh great... now i'm labeled...

Fun isn't it. When are you going to stop labeling people who have different views than yours?

 

[superbaby]

Yes yes, I read them. And I miust say I was glad they picked up the crystals to develop the story in SR. I was asking for backing up your complain when the right time comes.

didn't i say enough??? you don't have enough?

ok, i'll take a little time to compose all my thoughts/posts into one.

 

[superbaby]

Yes yes, I read them. And I miust say I was glad they picked up the crystals to develop the story in SR. I was asking for backing up your complain when the right time comes.

since you haven't got enough of us telling you the truth...

Finally, I have time to write up how screwed up superman is under Singer’s hand as asked by el payaso let’s examine singer’s vision of a man with all those amazing superpowers; aka Superman.

First thing first, the sadism I have been complaining that singer trying to sell it hard in SR (he even sells it in all the trailers) and that’s a shame and immoral. In this movie, there is nothing about trust, justice and… all that stuffs. (lex luthor will be back and have more fun with his kryptonite tools)

secondly, Singer has make Superman an arrogant and selfish loser. He chose to leave the world, not considering his very old mother, his lover and the people who trust him. When he returned, he couldn’t get along too well. He complained that people move on without him.

When he knew that his mother has moved on, he went for Lois for a reason to stay on earth. He has never been grateful for lois that she has moved on and having a very good family. He complained about her instead. “I thought a girl like her would never settle down…” Is that why he thought he could have sex with her?

He used all his amazing powers to do the wonders to catch lois’s attention and to stalk, spy and eavesdrop lois for his personal gain. He has never tried to understand her.

While in the rooftop, he has never cared about how she was doing the past 5 year. He wanted her to understand him instead. And he cared only his reputation; the article. He couldn’t wait to bring her up and tell her that she was wrong; the world was still desperate for him. So that he could have a reason to stay.

When he finally realized that he was really alone; Krypton was in debris, Martha moved on, Lois having good life, Richard risking his family to save him, his crystals were stolen and seeing himself couldn’t relate to the earth just as the alien continent, he gave up his life and committed suicide. (He was saving the millions of people in Metropolis! No. we didn’t see anyone in danger at all after the little vibration. And it was just Lex’s theory. It might not work that way as we had seen crystal didn’t keep on expanding to build FOS.)

Fortunately Lois came and told him that he wasn’t alone in the hospital. And he lastly got a reason to carry on his life. And that’s how Superman returns.

Yes, this is the worst superman story I have ever seen.

These are what I like
I love the premise
I love the title
I love it using STM as its origin
I love it using the donner’s superman theme song
I love the sets
I like Routh (but still find him lacking the commanding and powerful charm)

 

[JamalYIgle]

since you haven't got enough of us telling you the truth...

Finally, I have time to write up how screwed up superman is under Singer’s hand as asked by el payaso let’s examine singer’s vision of a man with all those amazing superpowers; aka Superman.

First thing first, the sadism I have been complaining that singer trying to sell it hard in SR (he even sells it in all the trailers) and that’s a shame and immoral. In this movie, there is nothing about trust, justice and… all that stuffs. (lex luthor will be back and have more fun with his kryptonite tools)

secondly, Singer has make Superman an arrogant and selfish loser. He chose to leave the world, not considering his very old mother, his lover and the people who trust him. When he returned, he couldn’t get along too well. He complained that people move on without him.

His Mother knew he left and why he left. He never once complained about people moving on, what scene? He accepted that people were moving on.

When he knew that his mother has moved on, he went for Lois for a reason to stay on earth. He has never been grateful for lois that she has moved on and having a very good family. He complained about her instead. “I thought a girl like her would never settle down…” Is that why he thought he could have sex with her?

How about referencing Superman the movie where Lois plainly said to Clark that she never wanted to settle down, because she'd go nuts having seen her sister, three kids and a mortgage and then doing the exact same thing.. settling down with a family.

He used all his amazing powers to do the wonders to catch lois’s attention and to stalk, spy and eavesdrop lois for his personal gain. He has never tried to understand her.

He never had an opportunity, He tried to get a drink with her to talk as Clark and she blew him off, as a matter of fact every time he tried to talk to her as Clark, she blew him off. In the office before she went to the roof, After the meeting with Perry, etc.

While in the rooftop, he has never cared about how she was doing the past 5 year. He wanted her to understand him instead. And he cared only his reputation; the article. He couldn’t wait to bring her up and tell her that she was wrong; the world was still desperate for him. So that he could have a reason to stay.

Again as an extension of my last statement, He tried to talk to her as Clark but she blew him off. He knew she was angry at Superman, but wanted to talk to see why she wrote the article. He isn't concerned about his rep, he's concerned about her.He explained where he went.
He tried to tell her why he left without saying goodbye.. as Clark.

When he finally realized that he was really alone; Krypton was in debris, Martha moved on, Lois having good life, Richard risking his family to save him, his crystals were stolen and seeing himself couldn’t relate to the earth just as the alien continent, he gave up his life and committed suicide. (He was saving the millions of people in Metropolis! No. we didn’t see anyone in danger at all after the little vibration. And it was just Lex’s theory. It might not work that way as we had seen crystal didn’t keep on expanding to build FOS.)

An earthquake that devastates the city, causing a gas explosion, almost crushing people in falling debris, The continent continuing to grow even after he lifted it into the air, sacrificing his life to save others, and you say he was commiting suicide?

Fortunately Lois came and told him that he wasn’t alone in the hospital. And he lastly got a reason to carry on his life. And that’s how Superman returns.

Yes, this is the worst superman story I have ever seen.

These are what I like
I love the premise
I love the title
I love it using STM as its origin
I love it using the donner’s superman theme song
I love the sets
I like Routh (but still find him lacking the commanding and powerful charm)

You're really reaching and putting alot of things into the movie that aren't there.

 

[El Payaso]

since you haven't got enough of us telling you the truth...

I quote this just to point put the irony of you using the word Truth.

First thing first, the sadism I have been complaining that singer trying to sell it hard in SR (he even sells it in all the trailers) and that’s a shame and immoral. In this movie, there is nothing about trust, justice and… all that stuffs. (lex luthor will be back and have more fun with his kryptonite tools)

First lie.

The movie is about Superman re-gaining people's and Lois' trust, which he accomplishes, he even helps the totally unknown girl (who happens to be Kitty.) Superman made justice by stopping Luthor and Lex received the best justice by ending in an island, no gas for the chopper, his plans ruined and his yatch sunk no matter how much money he had.

There's a lot of truth, justice and all that stuff.

secondly, Singer has make Superman an arrogant and selfish loser.

Second lie.

Superman wins in every field here, which makes him not a loser. He sacrifices himself to save the world, which makes him not selfish and he isn't telling the world how cool he is, so he's not arrogant.

He chose to leave the world, not considering his very old mother,

Yes, he did. It was she who had problems because, as every mother, she would have prefered not to let him go. For that matter, every man who decides to be a catholic priest is not considering his mother's desires to have a grandson. Or every man who decides to be a policeman is not considering his mother's feelings because she'll live afraid that his son could die.

But a man has to do what a man has to do. Superman's motivations about his Kryptonian roots were more important than his mother's fears.

his lover

Again, a man has to do what a man has to do.

It would have been nice if he said good-bye, as I've admitted in many other threads. This was his only big mistake and I critizise it too. It was unnecesary.

and the people who trust him.

The people who trust him should get that Superman is not being paid or has no moral duty for caring for the world. He does it because he wants to, no other reason. Superman has no legal or moral bound to people, so they can't complain.

But if we insist in considering it a betrayal to people's trust, it's the same than in Superman II, so as a vague sequel, SR is consistent with this incarnation of the character.

When he returned, he couldn’t get along too well. He complained that people move on without him.

Third lie.

No, he didn't. He was shocked, but never complained.

When he knew that his mother has moved on, he went for Lois for a reason to stay on earth.

Fourth lie.

He didn't went to Lois because of what his mother did. He went to Lois because he has an unresolved issue there. And even when he knew Lois had moved on, that didn't make him to leave Earth again, so he wasn't looking in Lois a reason to stay, which makes this your

Fifth lie.

He has never been grateful for lois that she has moved on and having a very good family. He complained about her instead. “I thought a girl like her would never settle down…” Is that why he thought he could have sex with her?

Sixth lie. What he thought about what Lois did, doesn't make it a complain.

He just was shocked that Lois moved on by having a son. Superman thought she would never become a mother because it was a thing she never was interested in before.

And they had sex because they were in love.

He used all his amazing powers to do the wonders to catch lois’s attention and to stalk, spy and eavesdrop lois for his personal gain. He has never tried to understand her.

He uses his powers to defend people. It's Lois' problem if she's as shallow as to fall in love because he's able to do such amazing things. Which - by the way - has been this way since STM.

And since STM Superman has been using his powers in order to know what Lois think. Being secretly Clark kent and hiding the truth from Lois has helped him since the first movie to know things from Lois and then ude them as Superman. Immoral? Okay, but consistent with previous movie.

And what did Superman gain by hearing what she said in SR?

While in the rooftop, he has never cared about how she was doing the past 5 year.

He already knows. And she explained to him why people and herself have moved on.

He wanted her to understand him instead.

Nothing wrong with that.

And he cared only his reputation; the article.

He cared for Lois' feelings. His reputation was totally re-gained when he saved the plane.

He couldn’t wait to bring her up and tell her that she was wrong; the world was still desperate for him. So that he could have a reason to stay.

It wasn't about her being wrong, but about putting in his shoes (boots) of being someone who everybody cares about but just because he's able to do such amazing things. And that includes Lois, who cries for his love but hasn't ever been sensitive enough to realize the despises Superman once he is not in his shiny suit showing his powers.

When he finally realized that he was really alone; Krypton was in debris, Martha moved on, Lois having good life, Richard risking his family to save him, his crystals were stolen and seeing himself couldn’t relate to the earth just as the alien continent, he gave up his life and committed suicide.

Seventh lie.

He didn't commit suicide or he would have stabbed with the kryptonite stick himself. He was trying to save the Earth.

(He was saving the millions of people in Metropolis! No.

Eight lie.

Yes, he was.

we didn’t see anyone in danger at all after the little vibration.

Ninth lie.

There was giant neon signs falling, gas explosions, debris falling all over. And we all saw that. Not to mention that if NK would have kept growing the devastation in Metropolis, USA and the whole world would have been lots worse.

And it was just Lex’s theory.

Sure, if a giant continent grown in the Pacific that wouldn't change anything in Earth balance, the new continent wouldn't fill any space and it wouldn't displace enormous amounts of water to the already existing continents. That was pure Lex's delirium.

It might not work that way as we had seen crystal didn’t keep on expanding to build FOS.)

It's not what we see in SR. And tthe FOS crystal was green not transparent so it's possible its characteristics would have been different.

And even if nothing of the obvious stuff here, even if the earthquake that happened and Superman accomplished to stop, is actually true, still Superman sacrificed himself just IN CASE it could be dangerous for people. In no case constitutes evidence of suicide.

Fortunately Lois came and told him that he wasn’t alone in the hospital. And he lastly got a reason to carry on his life. And that’s how Superman returns.

Yes... so?

Yes, this is the worst superman story I have ever seen.

Considering how hard you distort evident truth and lie to yourself and to the rest, that's not much of a surprise.

So now I explain myself - since when you're not writing complains you're forced to lie nine times in a post in order to make your points - why you were so skeptical to actually make them.

Please, I'd like very much to ridicule you and your posture but if you do it yourself, then you steal all the fun from me.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

What comic scenes do you want to be featured in the next Superman sequel(If any comic scenes in other words Superman Returns)...well, don't just sit their couch potato POST!Away!!