Visualizing A Superman Reboot: Pictures Welcome

[mego joe]

Um, the ones above?

You do understand the principle of a FORUM, do you not?

Every damn one mentioned. It was not a happy ending and the Singer and the writers wrote themselves into a huge corner. If they had a plan for a sequel, they sure did work at writing themselves into that corner.

If I may interject, I think Venom's Mom was being sarcastic, in that from Singer and his writers point of view there are no 'issues' to resolve. Meaning that things we may not like from SR are not issues to Singer, Harris and Daugherty.

If they did view them as 'issues' it would be admitting that they made a crappy movie rife with problems and issues that were left unresolved in SR.

I've thought for a while that Singer only sees possibilities with what's left after SR and he resolved the above 'issues' in SR as much as he was going to resolve the plot points.

I'm guessing SInger and Co. see things things as storytelling opportunities that COULD be expanded upon, not faux pas that MUST to be 'explained' or 'resolved.'

 

[X Knight]

well, I can assure you this......

if a SR sequel involves Jason, and Supes "reconnecting" with his son......or the complicated, messy love-triangle of Supes-Lois-Richard.....or the same rehashed ( although slightly more sinister ) real-estate scheming Lex who surrounds himself with bungling hench-people.........or a Superman who runs around in muted colors and can't throw a single punch..............

IOW.......if Singer returns to do a sequel.....no matter how cool the villian.....no matter how much they up the action......as long as Jason remains Superman's bastard son.....as long as the characters all act the same way......I will NOT be seeing it.

issues to resolve in a SR sequel........EVERYTHING!!!

 

[mego joe]

well, I can assure you this......

if a SR sequel involves Jason, and Supes "reconnecting" with his son......or the complicated, messy love-triangle of Supes-Lois-Richard.....or the same rehashed ( although slightly more sinister ) real-estate scheming Lex who surrounds himself with bungling hench-people.........or a Superman who runs around in muted colors and can't throw a single punch..............

IOW.......if Singer returns to do a sequel.....no matter how cool the villian.....no matter how much they up the action......as long as Jason remains Superman's bastard son.....as long as the characters all act the same way......I will NOT be seeing it.

issues to resolve in a SR sequel........EVERYTHING!!!

Me too. I was just pointing out that Singer and Co. don't see these things as 'issues,' even though we know they are.

 

[X Knight]

and therein lies the problem..........

 

[hammy]

issues to resolve in a SR sequel........EVERYTHING!!!

Ditto. At least Routh was great.

 

[mego joe]

and therein lies the problem..........

Agreed 100%!

 

[VenomsMom]

If I may interject, I think Venom's Mom was being sarcastic, in that from Singer and his writers point of view there are no 'issues' to resolve. Meaning that things we may not like from SR are not issues to Singer, Harris and Daugherty.

If they did view them as 'issues' it would be admitting that they made a crappy movie rife with problems and issues that were left unresolved in SR.

I've thought for a while that Singer only sees possibilities with what's left after SR and he resolved the above 'issues' in SR as much as he was going to resolve the plot points.

I'm guessing SInger and Co. see things things as storytelling opportunities that COULD be expanded upon, not faux pas that MUST to be 'explained' or 'resolved.'

Glad to see you at least understood that...it saves me an explanation.

 

[mego joe]

Glad to see you at least understood that...it saves me an explanation.

Always glad to be of help when possible.

 

[Zigno]

i did vote for the marketing thing. was completly wrong. like the graphic design, the posters was so bad!

i did add some of the things who can change, some "universal" things. i did like to add things like:

*routh's hair
*the kid again (if somebody didnt notice)
*the \s/ on the belt
*lois
*the superman love crisis
*the superman stupid things (like the hospital scene, almost kill him really that scene...) or the superman vs the guys punching him.

I want a superman suffering for people, with all his strong, vs a real villian more powerfull than him, i want the suit destroyer and people crying for him. and epic legendary scenes of the comics who are fantastic.

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Yeah, really, where's the choice that says "Everything But Routh?"

Added.

 

[buggs0268]

What about "With another director and not Singer"?

 

[That'ssuper!]

What about "With another director and not Singer"?

I would love it.

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

Sadly as it is, many people regard Superman as a kind of wimp because of things like Byrne's "Man of Steel", "Smallville", "Lois & Clark" and a lot of other DC-released things like "infinite crisis" and even in the excellent DC animated universe. Everytime a new "threat" appears Superman goes down. Yes. He is beaten and humilated. He never does something useful he is just regarded as a naive fool while he is actually more intelligent than humans.

So here is my solution to the problem: Despite now-popular opinions Superman doesn't hide behind his powers. Even without powers he is courageous, uncorruptable and strong. It bothered me that in Superman II when he abandoned his powers he got thrashed in that bar by that rude *****er. He was just the wimpy Clark Kent. Which is totally wrong. Even without his powers he would still be tall and strong and could kick this guy's ass.

So in a new movie I want to see a scene where he looses his powers and some guys think now they are going to finish him but in fact he fights back and kicks their *sses.

So. What do you think about that idea?

 

[Morg]

So in a new movie I want to see a scene where he looses his powers and some guys think now they are going to finish him but in fact he fights back and kicks their *sses.

been done if you ever bothered to watch

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

been done if you ever bothered to watch

which movie?

 

[Morg]

Mr Reeve and even Routh had his powers taken by the kryponite in SR and those goons beat him and in Smallville and in New Adventures of Superman.
I prefer something different, I want to see Supes go all out and we see a major battle

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

Mr Reeve and even Routh had his powers taken by the kryponite in SR and those goons beat him and in Smallville and in New Adventures of Superman.

Did he win? I don't know. It needs to be on the big screen to make a point. To show that the people that he embodies the best humanity can offer, he is not "one of us", he is better. But what do they do? They make him disappear, give him a bastard child... oh my In SR he must be saved by Lois, husband and a helicopter.

I prefer something different, I want to see Supes go all out and we see a major battle

that would be cool. I would love to see that in Justice League movie. He completely unleashes his power (like in the JLU finale) to defeat a threat and the other heroes can just stay there, gaze and feel small.

C'mon, nowadays, people believe Batman can beat and is more intelligent than Superman so what do I expect Superman is the true ass-kicker.

 

[matthooper]

Mr Reeve and even Routh had his powers taken by the kryponite in SR and those goons beat him and in Smallville and in New Adventures of Superman.
I prefer something different, I want to see Supes go all out and we see a major battle

When did Superman beat up the goons when he had lost his powers? The poster wanted to see Superman fight back and kick butt without his powers. When did that happen? You simply mentioned points in which Superman was weakened by kryptonite and got beat up. That wasn't what the poster wanted.

Personally I don't want to see that but to each his own.

 

[Backdrifter]

I just wanted to see some destruction of Metropolis on the level that TAS was doing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0l5Eoq9-44.

Plus, I think Superman needs an distinct sound effect when he flies like Spider-man had for his webs, and Superman had on TAS.

 

[GlasgowBat]

the main problem with this idea is that when you take the SUPER powers away from SUPERman, you are left with, well, man.

superman is super-strong, but not a skilled fighter. he does not do martial arts. he doesn't need any of that stuff.

i can see to a certain extent your point so far as the "wimpish" stigma given to superman, but i really feel anyone who has such conceptions has not read a comic featuring the man of steel. the reason he is sometimes defeated is because, well, he isn't infallible. he has weaknesses, and he has opponents who can at least go head to head with him on the terms of strength, if not actually being stronger than him.

another thing is that if superman conquers all opponents and overcomes every obstacle with ease, good storytelling it does not make, i'm afraid.

the scene in the bar in superman 2 when clark gets thumped around by that hick to me displays how he is still superman, with or without the powers. he knows this guy could trash him, and he knows he is drunk, yet he still stands up for himself and requests that the vagrant gives back his seat. decency and courage, despite knowing how badly he could be hurt. lois tells him to leave it or something of that sort, and the other people don't want to get involved.

yet clark, without any power whatsoever, refuses to let it go.

without his powers, superman would be pummeled by most criminals, thugs etc. seeing as we've seen that happen before, no, i wouldn't want to see it again, at least in this one.

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

the main problem with this idea is that when you take the SUPER powers away from SUPERman, you are left with, well, man.

Misconception. "SUper" also refers to his personality.

superman is super-strong, but not a skilled fighter. he does not do martial arts. he doesn't need any of that stuff.

Well, pre-crisis he was trained by Batman and at some point he even knew some kryptonian martial art techniques.

gave me the inspiration.

the scene in the bar in superman 2 when clark gets thumped around by that hick to me displays how he is still superman, with or without the powers. he knows this guy could trash him, and he knows he is drunk, yet he still stands up for himself and requests that the vagrant gives back his seat. decency and courage, despite knowing how badly he could be hurt. lois tells him to leave it or something of that sort, and the other people don't want to get involved.

So he trashed him when he got his powers back
No, to this is the wimpish behavior I am talking about. Being attacked and then not fighting back. Stupid pacifist thinking. Superman is not a pacifist.

without his powers, superman would be pummeled by most criminals, thugs etc. seeing as we've seen that happen before, no, i wouldn't want to see it again, at least in this one.

Again, I think it is wrong and it shouldn't be written this way. It would make Superman pathetic.

 

[buggs0268]

Sadly as it is, many people regard Superman as a kind of wimp because of things like Byrne's "Man of Steel", "Smallville", "Lois & Clark" and a lot of other DC-released things like "infinite crisis" and even in the excellent DC animated universe. Everytime a new "threat" appears Superman goes down. Yes. He is beaten and humilated. He never does something useful he is just regarded as a naive fool while he is actually more intelligent than humans.

So here is my solution to the problem: Despite now-popular opinions Superman doesn't hide behind his powers. Even without powers he is courageous, uncorruptable and strong. It bothered me that in Superman II when he abandoned his powers he got thrashed in that bar by that rude *****er. He was just the wimpy Clark Kent. Which is totally wrong. Even without his powers he would still be tall and strong and could kick this guy's ass.

So in a new movie I want to see a scene where he looses his powers and some guys think now they are going to finish him but in fact he fights back and kicks their *sses.

So. What do you think about that idea?

The scene in Superman 2 was done for a reason. It was to humble the character. It was to show that without his powers he can be hurt, as both his father and mother said in both version, like an ordinary human. Since he has lived his whole life with his powers, he naturally relied on them the most. He had no fighting skills as he didn't need to. He had no real strenght as he never lifted weights as he didn't need to with powers. He was attacking the situation as if he had powers, and he didn't, and he got spanked for it hard. Then combining the news reports with Zod, it is a double whammy that the mistake he made was selfish and wrong.

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

The scene in Superman 2 was done for a reason. It was to humble the character. It was to show that without his powers he can be hurt, as both his father and mother said in both version, like an ordinary human. Since he has lived his whole life with his powers, he naturally relied on them the most. He had no fighting skills as he didn't need to. He had no real strenght as he never lifted weights as he didn't need to with powers. He was attacking the situation as if he had powers, and he didn't, and he got spanked for it hard. Then combining the news reports with Zod, it is a double whammy that the mistake he made was selfish and wrong.

"No real strength", "no fighting skills" and BTW, you don't need to lift weights to be strong. Some people are naturally extremely strong.

Superman doesn't loose his Adonis body nor does he shrink and becomes a dwarf. He would still be a impressive bulit guy who is taller than 6'3''. Even without "skills" most people couldn't not trash him - at least not in the way it happend in that restaurant.

Yes, I know it, about the "show him the mistake" but they should have at least used more guys - like a gang. And he should have fought back.

 

[Super Kal]

Mr Reeve and even Routh had his powers taken by the kryponite in SR and those goons beat him and in Smallville and in New Adventures of Superman.
I prefer something different, I want to see Supes go all out and we see a major battle

but Routh and Reeve didn't even fight back... not much of a movie moment there...

 

[Doctor Baywatch]

but Routh and Reeve didn't even fight back... not much of a movie moment there...

what I said

"oh no I have lost my superpowers! I will not even try to defend myself!"