Visualizing A Superman Reboot: Pictures Welcome

[Mentok]

Yeah I was gonna ask about that Krypton footage being in the sequel. Anyone has a link to that info?

It was at the comic con appearance shortly after the film came out. I will have a look for it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

 

[Bad Superman]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

Sounds like a forced flash back to me. Editing was one of SR problems.

 

[I Am The Knight]

All right, as long as we actually get to see it at some point, it's fine by me....Although I would have preferred to see it integrated to an extended cut of Returns.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Who knows, it may be the opening of the movie and that leads to the sequel's villain? I think that would be cool, or it could be a nightmare Superman has about his return?

 

[Superman45]

Singer is right for saying don't listen to the fans.

Fans have no idea on how to make a movie. All they care about is getting the details right.

A Superman movie made by the fans would be just another generic origin story that brings nothing new to the table. Lex Luthors involvement would be him constantly talking about how untouchable he is thanks to Lexcorp, with no real plan or motivation other than him running a corporation, because apparently thats all you need to make a good villain. Superman would never successfully save or stop anything because the post-crisis fans want a more relatable Superman. The actress cast as Lois would have nothing for her but big breasts. Mike O'Hearn would be cast as Superman. The suit would look completely ridiculous on the actor because all they cared about was how faithful it was to the comics and not how good it looked on the actor. It would be the most boring movie ever with no humour, because humour is campy and the Donner movies were campy and that can not happen! Metallo and Braniac will be shoe-horned in to have Superman fight them for no real reason.

It'd be a big mess.

You hit it straight on the head. I'v learned that as long as you stay true to the comic most fans are happy. But the movie also has to be good for people who don't like Supes or know nothing about him.

 

[matrix_ghost]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

Hmmm....well ít's been a while since i've read TotalFilm or for that matter quotes from Singer post SR.
But i still think it's a big waste for the Krypton scenes to be removed.

 

[Super Kal]

^It was said in this months Total Film that he may use the return to krypton sequence in the sequel.

I'll believe than when I see it...

 

[superbaby]

useless...

 

[Matt]

I think fans also made it clear they wanted a deeper look into how he became Superman.

Also there is a huge interest in knowing what Krypton once was.

Funny how everyone is saying this now, but when Singer said no origin, everyone said how stupid it would be to do that stuff.

 

[The Sage]

Hey I would've preferred an origin montage as opposed to a full origin movie.

 

[phoenix_force]

Guess what superman fans! WB are ditching superman and doing a lois lane movie instead gaspomg superman did so bad that they are going to ddo a lois lane movie instead of superman sequel gasp
According to Britain's Sky News, their may be a Lois Lane spin-off film in the works which would star Kate Bosworth.

"Lois will be back bigger and better in the next movie, and with more of her own storyline", said Bosworth.


The article continues on to suggest that their are plans to give Lois Lane her own investigation spin off. The film would be based on the comic series that also featured Lois as the main character.


In the comic, Lois would often battle with criminals in various investigation, defeating them with her quick wits and the Kryptonian martial art of Klurkor, taught to her in the bottle-city of Kandor
source:http://www.cinescape.com/0/editoria...tion=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338&obj_id=52209

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Funny how everyone is saying this now, but when Singer said no origin, everyone said how stupid it would be to do that stuff.

Not everyone. Even some SR supporters wanted origin elements *cough*

I would have loved a new origin movie but still like the returns idea so what would have been ideal is to of had SR address some of the history of Krypton with a younger Jor-el and just touch on Clark growing up, maybe even before highschool err something.

 

[Weadazoid]

NO ZOD

agreed but just for that Singer will probubly make him the number 1 and only super Villain for a sequal

 

[dar-El]

No sequel to returns, just a total restart without singer. Preferably made by someone who understands the character, has read the last 20 years of books and not spent his time worshipping an old tv show and a classic film. Also no kid cos he's a pontless character who served no purpose, a new suit and a Superman who doesnt leave for no reason or act like a lonely wimp!

 

[harlandarlin]

FIX the suit.
BRIGHTEN up the film.
RECAST Lois.
BEEF UP Brandon.
GIVE us an original, exciting, action-packed adventure.
GIVE us an opponent worthy of Superman.
DITCH the horrible kid.
FIRE Singer.
BEG Donner to return!

I wholeheartedly agree. now I didn't hate superman returns i thought it was good. not as good as Superman 1 and 2 though. But if the above changes were used it would improve the film tenfold.

 

[rduce]

I really would hope that any subsequent film brings back the moral core which has always been Superman. I did not like the dark, creepy, stalker Superman…

A stronger story with more action would be nice as well.

 

[Super78]

I want complete dissasociation with the donner franchise. The past is the past, its time to move the heck on already.

Batman's doing it. Supes deserves it even more.

NO ZOD

Even though hes awesome and I loved the little munchkin. No jason. We don't need that **** yet.

Comics > Donner, as far as which makes the greatest influence on supes. It MUST be this way.

NO MORE WIGS. I NEVER had a problem with lex wearing wigs in STM until I saw how lame it was that he threw one at a little girl in Returns. Let's just not have that... none of that land grab crap either.

Kakarot said it and I agree, up the brightness. Up up and away. Its superman!!!!! He's not batman.

One more request. Please do the shirt rip well for this one. Spidey should NEVER have better shirt rips than supes. It's just wrong.

Singer should open the sequel with Lois in bed -- she wakes up and hears the shower running, opens the shower door and look who's there!!

Its Superman!!! Taking a shower!

No Jason, No Richard, Luthor is still in jail, and Supes never left!

It was ALL A DREAM! t:

 

[antonydelfini]

This is what i want changed for the sequel:
1. The donner tribute was great and nostalgic, but i think people have had enough. People want to see a new but faithful take on the character. Taking old donner ideas for the film makes the movie feel old and dated.
2. Channel the comics more, bring in some art and story elements from the comic books. The ones that got pissed off the most were the comic book fan boys. They are the ones who faithfully drool over superman every month, that is why they deserve to be the number one priority for the film makers.
3. Make the film not longer than 2 H and 15 M this time around. It could improve the box office numbers while eliminating the "dragging" and "slow" critique of the film.
4.Change the costume. Widen the neck area, make the red brighter, put the S on the back, eliminate the S on the belt, etc. I like the 3d S emblem though. This change could indicate that the movie makers are listening to the fans for this film.
5. The kid should be eliminated in some way without making it look like they just want to get the kid out of the way. The elimination of the kid should be executed smoothly and spontaneously. They could either kill him or find a way to take away his powers.
6. A physical villain. We've heard of Brainiac, Metallo, Darkseid, and Doomsday. People want to see Supes cut loose with his power, and he can only do that if he has a superpowered villain. Personally, I'd like to see him fight doomsday because he's so popular. And though people think doomsday is a boring character, i think he could work in the cinema.males are going to line up in theatres hearing the superman vs. doomsday fight in the sequel.

What i want to stay:
1. I like the fact that it was not the typical summer popcorn movie i was expecting. Singer did some serious film making that i havent seen in a superhero film before, which I believe is what made it popular among critics.
2. I like the seriousness and amount of respect they gave the character. They never made superman look and act silly. The scale was epic, and it made the film look bigger and serious than the spidey or xmen films.

 

[The Overlord]

I would like to see Superman get really pissed off in the sequel. Brainiac tries to blast Jason and Lois, but Richard jumps in the path of the laser saving their lives at the cost of his own. superman then goes all out on Brainiac, charging him at super speed, hitting him with punches that create shock waves, etc.

 

[darthbakpao]

Instead of going all "Wrath of Khan", i'd like to see a "Kramer VS Kramer" take on the sequel. I want an Oscar worthy quality drama movie with solid acting from Brandon and Co. I want to see the whole audience cry and comfort each other because of how tragic this Superman story has become... Way to go Bryan!

 

[DavidTyler]

Instead of going all "Wrath of Khan", i'd like to see a "Kramer VS Kramer" take on the sequel. I want an Oscar worthy quality drama movie with solid acting from Brandon and Co. I want to see the whole audience cry and comfort each other because of how tragic this Superman story has become... Way to go Bryan!

LOL

 

[KaptainKrypton]

Instead of going all "Wrath of Khan", i'd like to see a "Kramer VS Kramer" take on the sequel. I want an Oscar worthy quality drama movie with solid acting from Brandon and Co. I want to see the whole audience cry and comfort each other because of how tragic this Superman story has become... Way to go Bryan!

Even though I'm an ardent fan of SR...these ribs of yours are too damn funny not to love. Keep it up.

 

[buggs0268]

You hit it straight on the head. I'v learned that as long as you stay true to the comic most fans are happy. But the movie also has to be good for people who don't like Supes or know nothing about him.

Appellation was banned as he was Saph using another Alias.

 

[ariellem]

Okay, plenty of guys have weighed in. Here's a female POV.

I grew up in the 70s in love with the George-Reeves-as-Superman hero. Lois was smart, sassy, and had the bad but convenient habit of getting caught by the bad guys so Superman could come and get her out. That Lois and Clark were mature, self-confident, and good friends. Jimmy was younger but also a friend. Back in the 70s or 80s, I'd read the early comics in compilation form - my folks used to have a book that had reprinted all of the early ones - and this traditional look was always my ideal. Still is, to the point that "Clark" is still my first choice for a boy's name if I ever have one.

Loved it when Superman came to the big screen (I was ~8); I had a huge poster of Christopher Reeve in Superman garb plastered on the ceiling over my bed until I was ten or so. As I grew up, I thought Reeve was a bit odd-looking in some ways to be Superman - he had to bulk up an awful lot for the role - but he was fine. Margot Kidder, when not too melodramatic, was certainly intelligent enough to play Lois. Fell hard for Dean Cain with Teri Hatcher in Lois & Clark, despite initial misgivings because he looked so short and different. Got convinced anything after that would be a travesty, and haven't seen Smallville at all since it's network - but my parents watch it! I've ordered the first season on DVD & will see how that flies <pun intended>.

Okay, the actual movie under review...
I had HUGE misgivings seeing an apparently unmemorable-looking soap opera stud put into the Superman/Clark role. Then again, that was worlds better than letting skanky Nicolas Cage get anywhere near the role, so I tried to keep an open mind. The pre-production pictures had me very worried all the same - lots of posing; not much feeling. Very wooden.

Put off seeing the movie until this weekend (second-run theatre) because I was very worried I'd be disappointed. Didn't want the new movie to destroy the image of my lifelong hero. Big sigh of relief here. Routh is easily a Superman and - most importantly - a Clark you can fall for and believe in. He returns to Earth (arrival reminded me somewhat of Arnold's in the original Terminator) weak, nearly collapsing, and his mom puts him to bed. When he wakes up, we see that his eyes are brown (Routh's natural eye color). I did think this was an error, especially when it happened again later in the movie, but then I got to thinking that it would be neat to use the change in eye color (applied more consistently, and in future films) to represent his energy level/activation: have them get bluer in the movie when he recharges and/or when he uses his powers. When he's totally spent, they're brown. Would have liked more Martha-Clark dialogue.

Spacey, as expected, was fabulous as Lex. Very appropriate. I took his new hardness as the result of five years of resentment while being locked up. You'd think he'd want to toast Superman after that, though, since the latter's not showing up for the appeal is how Lex walked. Parker Posey was great as Lex's dimwit-but-sweet-for-Superman girlfriend. The other bad guys were plenty mean. I don't much care that the new "land" was absurd - it's a comic book movie. We joked that the new land still had Louisiana, but now in the middle rather than on the coast (look at the map in the movie). Scene with Lex brushing his teeth was classic. We need more like that! Need more scenes with Lex meeting Superman and/or Clark too.

Lois - well, Kate Bosworth is fine as a teenybopper or dopey love interest or whatever, but she is way too young and way too much of a lightweight (literally and in her acting) to be Lois, *especially* Lois with a five-year-old kid. She had the kid while she was in high school? She was working at the Daily Planet as part of a high school work-study program? And she was MEAN to Clark, who'd been her good buddy and reporting rival at the Planet for so long. Parker Posey would be fabulous as Lois/mom and had a lot more chemistry with Routh onscreen, so I propose that the next movie have both women return, but in the opposite role. Or put Posey in as Lois and ditch Kate Bosworth entirely - we wouldn't miss her one whit. Yes, it's similar to sticking way-too-young-and-pointless Katie Holmes into the otherwise fabulous Batman movie. Lois needs strength and power and the sense to at least think for a moment before dragging her kid to a the source of the EMP (even if she didn't know until she got there that LEX was the cause of it).

The kid: he had maybe one dopey line ("I *like* him!") and thankfully was OK otherwise. They could have gotten that so wrong, and they didn't. He has the same quiet wisdom as his dad, no? Main difference being that his powers come unconsciously until a certain point as he's growing up, and *then* he's able to start exerting control over them. The early flashbacks established this well. It was good that they cast a boyfriend for Lois who was tall and handsome, with dark hair and nice qualities, to make the love t(ri)angle work and so the kid would look like both men enough to confuse everyone. Go, Cyclops! :->

We were relieved and quite happy that the filmmakers didn't take the cliched route of having Richard be, or turn out to be, a rich jerk. It would have been so easy. Instead, he's a rich nice guy with plenty of appealing attributes. He truly loves both Lois and her son, whether or not it's his son as well. He certainly doubts that it's his son (scene in the kitchen where Richard asks about the "Night with Superman" article) but doesn't seem absolutely sure until the hospital scene. With the kid in the script, the timeline could have been better. If everyone had said early on that Superman was gone for five years, and Lois had snidely commented, "It was closer to six!" then this would explain the kid's age much better. Also, there should have been some backstory as to when/how Richard started editing for the Planet - even gossip in the background in an office scene. Much prefer the "superhuman" boyfriend so the super-jerk, but now what's to be done with him?

"Stalker" scene bothered me a LOT initially, but then I started to see it from Superman's POV: he doesn't think that way. He's been away, he missed her, she apparently didn't miss him. He's trying to find out the truth without giving himself away. He's trying to find out the truth inconspicuously. He flies there, possibly hoping she'll be moping outside as in the earlier movies. She's inside, with Richard & the kid. So he listens. Gets his heart broken yet again. How come he didn't check her heartbeat when she said "no"? Because love is blind (how ironic - with all those vision tricks he can do).

To improve things for the next movie, in short:
1) new Lois: more substantial looking (not boobs, necessarily; just someone a bit bigger and stronger), more experienced looking, a bit older, someone who can seem bitter and/or frustrated yet sympathetic - not just bitter like this one
2) MUCH MORE of Clark, Lex, Superman in vignettes!!! They look great, but we want to see them doing more than standing/flying, and we REALLY want more Clark dialogue! More Martha and Clark!
3) pay more attention within the final version of the movie to timeline and backstory
4) more texture in general: little jokes, comments from extras that feed into the movie, and so forth. There weren't enough sub-plots. Have Lex & others - or Superman - have some technical discussion about masking Kryptonite with lead or with ordinary rock
5) need more on-screen shirt rips/ducks to change costume for S->C and back
6) want to see *more* of Superman and/or Clark, a la the hospital scene ;-> Often? Please? Brandon can bulk up to where he was in this movie, or bulk up a little more - doesn't much matter. Would like to see his back too.
7) needs more humor - from everyone
8) where the heck did Clark sleep during this movie? Does he recharge THAT much as Superman to be able to just float around up in the atmosphere each Metropolis night? Doesn't anyone come across his luggage?


New ideas/setups - don't much care which villains are used, as I haven't read the more recent comics and don't want the movie to collapse into a bloodbath, so use these as a crash zone for the bad guys:
1) for fun (definitely has nothing to do with the franchise otherwise): have a movie-within-a-movie or commercial-casting bit with a whole bunch of Superman hopefuls "auditioning". Get as many as you can... All different versions of the uniform... Sprinkle in the "So, You Want To Be a Superhero?" finalists... Add some camera folks. Have a villain or two among the Supes, have them start chaos, see what ensues... Best if Lois & Clark start out in their midst, and then Clark vanishes to change once the bad guys start up, and then Lois is trying to find the "real" Superman among the crowd of hopefuls... Pan out to the action around her but far enough away that she can't see it.

2) if Lex is in and Parker Posey stays on as Kitty - and we're of the opinion that she'd be a fantastic Lois instead (PLEASE, someone in moviedom, do this! Don't keep Kate!) - then play up on the great interaction she had with Supes after the car incident. Have her come after him, try to ask him out some more, try to get away from Lex without playing double agent. Have a new bimbo vie for Lex's attention; Kitty will have to decide just how much she values her sugar daddy.

3) Give Jimmy a life outside of the Planet - a girlfriend there, or in the next building, so they can get stuck somewhere (together or apart) and have Superman save them. Have Clark sublet from Jimmy, maybe, or crash on his couch while trying to find his own apartment. Clark could be asleep on the couch; Jimmy & gal could come in after an evening out, find him w/ glasses off or askew; they could start speculating; he could wake up & distract them or make excuses (jokes about being Supes' long-lost twin - "Yeah, I get that a lot... Didn't start until college, thankfully.")...

4) Really complicate office politics: have Perry escort Lois' mother to some fancy awards gala or other social event

5) Hide in plain view! A high-end costume party (Halloween? Mardi Gras? Perry's birthday???), with Kitty AND Lois & Clark in attendance. Jimmy has convinced Clark, due to his resemblance to Supes, to dress as Superman (old-style costume!) for the party. Make it fit well, or make it just a bit "off" so it looks homemade. Jimmy & girlfriend can sew it for him... THEN we can have that costume-comparison discussion again! We'd need to see him put on the costume at the apartment, of course ;->

On the way there and at the party itself, have Lois and a few others say they "just don't see it - something's wrong" (perhaps he leaves the glasses on?). Have a costumed, masked Kitty - possibly a bit tipsy - come up to Clark and hit on him as usual. He responds in a gentlemanly fashion, but in a similar enough way to the first movie that she gets suspicious. Don't have a clear idea as to how Kitty and Lois and Jimmy and gal-pal should dress, but perhaps Kitty and Lois could show up in similar or even identical getups - further confusing Clark! If the villains did show up, then at babe-saving time it would get trickier. Bad guys show up (or not) but he obviously couldn't have his "new" costume under this one, and he has to use powers other than flying to stop the bad guys or at least chase them off until after the party.

6) Clark isn't icky, he's cute and dopey. SOME dopey girl at the Planet or on the street has got to notice him sooner or later. Give the poor guy some distractions! Yes, he's mad for Lois, and he spends most of the rest of his time "listening", but sometimes he just needs to be Clark. He didn't grow up ignoring girls; don't do it now. Or at least don't have them ignore him - he can politely blow them off if needed - like while chasing after Lois.


More later, I'm sure. I need sleep now.