The Dark Knight Was Batman in this movie?

[Hole Shot]

He's also mourning the whole time at the place where she was killed. The sun is coming up and he's still standing out there - remember, the two firefighters point towards him?

 

[Frank Noir]

Man, I so agree with you!





I don't think we wanted to see him crying like Peter in Spidey 3, we just wanted Bruce to show a little more emotion. He is after all a human being, not a rock. I'm ok with Bruce showing a little more emotion and human feelings, especially after the death of his lifelong friend and love interest (Rachel). This is a 'realistic' take on the Batman after all, no?

A. He WAS emotional. He's just tough. What good would it do him to completely break down at that point? There's more than enough time for that later.

B. The movie did show Batman going after The Joker more determined than ever.

C. He DID catch The Joker. Alive.

 

[Eggyman]

from me too.

For him, Rachel's death means he NEEDS to catch the Joker for good, so her death wouldn't be just another tick mark on the Joker's list. That's why he asks Alfred what it would take. What else can he do?

Some people just don't stop functioning and cry for days when someone close to them dies. They go to work, and that's how they deal. It's possible Nolan himself holds this point of view, considering his reaction when Heath died - he focused on making Heath's last film a proper legacy, because it's all he could do.

I'm going to run out of thumbs soon

 

[Motown Marvel]

but do you not think that stopping the Joker would have been his main priority, since he's a superhero and all??? You know, that's kinda like.....there job!

If i was him (OMFG that would be amazing!!! ) I would have gotten on with it and taken out the Joker, then after the whole episode with Dent was over, I would have stopped and her death would have hit me.......THEN I would grieve.

yes, i understand in the scheme of things the joker is the main priority toi his mission as batman. but bruce is a frigging human being, man. rachel meant more to him than anything else in life, and now thats gone. first his parents, and now the love of his life. it'd be impossible for that not to incite some sort of dramatic emotional reaction. hell, they took the time to show an emotionless scene between him and alfred, the least they could have done was use that scene to show some emotion and reaction. i mean, the whole love triangle was pretty flat as it was, void of chemistry, but damn....

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

They want to see Batman doing this over Rachel's death:

Personally, I would rather do without! Sometimes less is more, and I loved the way they handled Bruce's grieving for Rachel. He was obviously upset, but they didn't get over the top with it with waterfalls coming from his eyes and snot running down his nose. And Alfred was there not only to encourage him and to console him, but to remind him of his mission and what Rachel would have wanted. So yeah, I agree with you completely.

I agree in every way. Plus, this is Batman we're talking about. I've never seen him raining form his eyes, even when Jason died, he put himself together and was able to take down the Joker and his operation.

Though, thanks for ruining my perfect day by putting that pic on here. May 4 is a day I won't soon forget...

 

[hammy]

It was definitely Joker-centric and I would have liked more Batman, but I understand why they did it. #3 Will see a LOT of Batman.

 

[MBonez12]

i completely agree that the story showed bruce's sorrow with him staying at the scene until sun-up and the alfred scene in bruce's penthouse, but i still didnt feel the sorrow coming from bale himself. maybe thats the way nolan and bale wanted it to be, idk.

 

[The_Raganork]

I wasn't put off by Bruce's lack of emotion; but rather everyone else...


I always took Bruce as being Hardened. Rachel was the only connection to his childhood. The last connection to BRUCE WAYNE before BATMAN. With her gone he might lose sight of who he is. This is just the beginning; this guy IS falling apart and falling apart isn't always people crying and breaking down.

this guy shows he's losing it...The DESPERATION to catch Joker; spying on 30 million people; he's losing the moral fiber that Rachel instilled in him during the:

"Justice is Harmony" Speech in BB.

I felt like Gordon and Alfred could have had a little more emotion. In some of the commercials Gordon looks absolutley enraged at the explosion. I was sad to see that cut

 

[MBonez12]

like i said, maybe thats what nolan and bale were going for... guess well find out next movie whether it continues to break him down or not

 

[ultimatefan]

no time to grieve? he didnt even shed a frigging tear!!! this was the love of his life and his longest known friendship!! time has nothing to do with it. it'd be impossible NOT to have some reaction to it. instead he sat in a chair and was like "aw man, thats a bummer."



batman would never put his fill faith in one man to clean up gotham, other than himself. he should of seen harvey as an alley to work one side of the crusade, while he works the side that harvey's job doesnt allow him too. batman just seemed to have a real lack of inspiration in the film.

theres a difference between moping and grieving. moping would be bruce sitting around feeling impotent about being batman because he couldnt even save rachel. but seriously, he didnt even cry, he didnt get pissed, he didnt react at all. i was hoping for him to be driven further into the darkness, driven by the rage, and becoming more obsessive and methodical.

He certainly looked grieving and mournful in the spot where she died, it just was shot from a distance, in a sober and elegant fashion, with no melodrama. And he was clearly grieving when he talked to Alfred about his feeling of guilty. With the urgency of The Joker´s threat, that´s all the mourning he could afford to do.

Which is why he was helping Harvey and Gordon to clean the city from corruption and attack organized crime at the core. His hope was that Gotham´s police and legal system would be back on their feet and organized crime would be weakened enough that the city wouldn´t need an outlaw masked vigilante. Someone like Batman is far from being the best solution to crime in any city, the best solution is a combination of a solid economy and infrastructure with an efficient police force and legal system, Gotham had none of that, which is why Bruce used Batman. If the city had an efficient enough police and legal system to control crime in the city, Batman would be obsolete, which is what Bruce foresaw. Of course they still couldn´t completely eliminate crime, but that is true whether there is a Batman or not. He was still helping Harvey and had the means to contribute for the city´s economy as Bruce, but hoped he´d no longer need a mask, which is very reasonable. He just didn´t expect the "rise of freaks", such as Joker and Two-Face - and no one would expect that, for that matter -, which is what killed that plan.

 

[stargazer]

A. He WAS emotional. He's just tough. What good would it do him to completely break down at that point? There's more than enough time for that later.

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Tough? Sure..

Sorry, but that scene was very unconvincing to me, no matter what people say to justify it. But if this is how Batman/Bruce is supposed to be portrayed, then, he just isn't my type I guess.

 

[The_Raganork]

Tough? Sure..

Sorry, but that scene was very unconvincing to me, no matter what people say to justify it. But if this is how Batman/Bruce is supposed to be portrayed, then, he just isn't my type I guess.

Are you trying to date the guy?

 

[stargazer]

Are you trying to date the guy?

By 'my type' I meant that he just isn't my type of superhero.

 

[Phsycology]

By 'my type' I meant that he just isn't my type of superhero.

Oooooohhh You only date Superheroes, huh?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Bruce suferred a massive traumatic experience when he was a child.

So, he's not exactly in touch with his emotions. He's actually supposed to be emotionally shutdown. Especially since he's routing all of his emotions into being Batman...realistically, he probably wouldn't go around crying all the time just because of how he throws himself into his work.

He's a cold guy. No doubt, but it's because of what he went through as a kid that he is.

Which is why Christian Bale played the role perfectly the way he did.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Bruce suferred a massive trumatic experience when he was a child.

So, he's not exactly in touch with his emotions. He's actually supposed to be emotionally shutdown. Especially since he's routing all of his emotions into being Batman...realistically, he probably wouldn't go around crying all the time just because of how he throws himself into his work.

He's a cold guy. No doubt, but it's because of what he went through as a kid that he is.

Which is why Christian Bale played the role perfectly the way he did.

Agreed. Couldn't have put it any better myself.

 

[MrQuinn]

I was disappointed with his reaction as well. It was kind of glossed over

I thought his reaction was just fine. It would have been AWFUL to see him cry or break down in some way... Just think Wolverine in X-2, sniffling and voice cracking.....not cool.

 

[hatebox]

Why are people saying Bruce didn't cry? He clearly was crying in the scene with Alfred. Are you blind?

And yes, I'm glad they didn't go all melodramatic with the emotions. This is why Nolan's Batman is better than Raimi's Spider-man quite frankly.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

He was very emotional in that scene.

We gets small cracks in the armor and see his vulnerability in some of those scenes.

We see it at the end with his convo with Rachel in BATMAN BEGINS.

Good portrayal of the character.

 

[stargazer]

Oooooohhh You only date Superheroes, huh?

Is that supposed to be funny? ... pretty immature, dude. Get over it.

I thought his reaction was just fine. It would have been AWFUL to see him cry or break down in some way... Just think Wolverine in X-2, sniffling and voice cracking.....not cool.

I liked Wolverine's reaction in X2. Cyclops on the other hand...not much, yeah.

It was too much. And I'm not talking about seeing Bruce 'crying', just more affected by Rachel's death, and I didn't get that. But let's agree to disagree, right? You guys obviously are all wrapped up in the hype and think the movie is flawless. ok. Enjoy.

 

[MrQuinn]

Is that supposed to be funny? ... pretty immature, dude. Get over it.





I liked Wolverine's reaction in X2. Cyclops on the others hand...not much. It was too much. And I'm not talking about seeing Bruce 'crying', just more affected by Rachel's death, and I didn't get that. But let's agree to disagree, right? You guys obviously are all wrapped up in the hype and think the movie is flawless. ok. Enjoy.

I didn't say the movie was flawless. I said his reaction to her death was fine. Is that some other language for "This movie is flawless"? I hate to think of what I'm typing now will translate to.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Is that supposed to be funny? ... pretty immature, dude. Get over it.





I liked Wolverine's reaction in X2. Cyclops on the others hand...not much. It was too much. And I'm not talking about seeing Bruce 'crying', just more affected by Rachel's death, and I didn't get that. But let's agree to disagree, right? You guys obviously are all wrapped up in the hype and think the movie is flawless. ok. Enjoy.

Is there something wrong with that?

 

[spideyman101]

Take this for what it's worth: he wasn't seen in B&R not one time... what we saw was Bruce Wayne... the entire time. Even when he was in costume.

 

[Shane Diesel]

This thread is silly. BB is an entire film devoted to Batman covering his genesis to his establishment in Gotham. TDK is the next step in the saga. If you want more Batman go back and watch BB.

 

[Motown Marvel]

He certainly looked grieving and mournful in the spot where she died, it just was shot from a distance, in a sober and elegant fashion, with no melodrama. And he was clearly grieving when he talked to Alfred about his feeling of guilty. With the urgency of The Joker´s threat, that´s all the mourning he could afford to do.

im just saying, considering the importance of rachel in bruce's life, his reaction to her death didnt seem to have much of an impact onscreen. it was just another blip moment in the film. like i said before, they had so much going on, i think some things that deserved more attention didnt get it, because there was so much more to get on to.

Which is why he was helping Harvey and Gordon to clean the city from corruption and attack organized crime at the core. His hope was that Gotham´s police and legal system would be back on their feet and organized crime would be weakened enough that the city wouldn´t need an outlaw masked vigilante. Someone like Batman is far from being the best solution to crime in any city, the best solution is a combination of a solid economy and infrastructure with an efficient police force and legal system, Gotham had none of that, which is why Bruce used Batman. If the city had an efficient enough police and legal system to control crime in the city, Batman would be obsolete, which is what Bruce foresaw. Of course they still couldn´t completely eliminate crime, but that is true whether there is a Batman or not. He was still helping Harvey and had the means to contribute for the city´s economy as Bruce, but hoped he´d no longer need a mask, which is very reasonable. He just didn´t expect the "rise of freaks", such as Joker and Two-Face - and no one would expect that, for that matter -, which is what killed that plan.

right, i undersand all that. but all of that is such a monumental task, enourmously gargantuan ginormous monumental task. it would take so much effort, and so much time to not only accomplish it, but to stabalize it, that batman (if keeping true to his mission) really had no place to forsee himself being unnecessary any time soon. certainly nowhere near soon enough where he could be anticipating the day batman would be obsolete, IMO. i mean, i live in detroit, we've been a broken city since the '67 race riots. we've been trying hard to remedy that, but 40 years later theres still an impossible amount of work to do. the idea of batman being obselete just doesnt seem like something he would anticipate, is what i guess im trying to say.

either way, all this is just character details and has nothing to do with the initial intentions of this thread, which was the feeling that batman was sidelined in favor of the many other characters in the film, which i felt he was. it was a batman movie, but it was hardly about batman. to me, it seemed like it was about everything else...oh, and batman is there too.