Comics Was it a good idea to destroy the Parker marriage?

[Orest]

yeh. cause look. now Peter Parker is this sort of person who thinks he;s funny and acts stupid. hes like when he was 15. He acts like a little kid. from the beginning, he was a joker but then he started to mature really much like in the Other or Civil War. but now its the beginning all over again....

 

[Web-Head408]

yeh. cause look. now Peter Parker is this sort of person who thinks he;s funny and acts stupid. hes like when he was 15. He acts like a little kid. from the beginning, he was a joker but then he started to mature really much like in the Other or Civil War. but now its the beginning all over again....

Ya know, I have to agree with this. As refreshing as it is seeing Peter at ease again and dishing out the usual quips, all that development in his character is pretty much gone now.

 

[USMC]

Pete made a load of cash and got his own apartment like 1-2 months ago.

And how did he make that load of cash?

Ya, honesty, integrity, responsibility... all the things that Peter Parker is not anymore. :

 

[Orest]

all things true. good point USMC. he got money by being slick and irresponsible. hes like a little kid who doesnt know what to do. as good as the stories are they should bring back the old pete

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ya know, I have to agree with this. As refreshing as it is seeing Peter at ease again and dishing out the usual quips, all that development in his character is pretty much gone now.

Even though I love how Spidey is currently, I have to agree with you, Web-Head.

 

[Galactus]

yeh. cause look. now Peter Parker is this sort of person who thinks he;s funny and acts stupid. hes like when he was 15. He acts like a little kid. from the beginning, he was a joker but then he started to mature really much like in the Other or Civil War. but now its the beginning all over again....

The main reason I decided to stop reading Spider-Man after One More Day. The idea of a twenty-something guy who is written like he was a teenager again... it's not an idea that I like. As for the marriage... To me it just looks like pointless idea so far to erase the marriage. From what I've read about what's going on in Spider-Man now I don't see any stories you couldn't tell with a married Peter. It just seems to be the same old plots.

 

[shinlyle]

The main reason I decided to stop reading Spider-Man after One More Day. The idea of a twenty-something guy who is written like he was a teenager again... it's not an idea that I like. As for the marriage... To me it just looks like pointless idea so far to erase the marriage. From what I've read about what's going on in Spider-Man now I don't see any stories you couldn't tell with a married Peter. It just seems to be the same old plots.

Now we must await the naysayers who will say, "It brings back the drama!"

Then we counter with, "[sarcasm]Yeah...because being married means you never have drama again [/sarcasm]".

The only scenes that couldn't have happened with a married Peter and Mj thus far are the makeout scenes, which have been unneccesary, honestly.

 

[Blader5489]

And how did he make that load of cash?

Ya, honesty, integrity, responsibility... all the things that Peter Parker is not anymore. :

Yeah, because selling pictures of yourself and lying about it on a constant basis for years is textbook honesty and integrity.

 

[Orest]

thy should do something about that

 

[shinlyle]

Yeah, because selling pictures of yourself and lying about it on a constant basis for years is textbook honesty and integrity.

Yeah, but they were still pictures of Spider-man that sold the newspaper. It's not like he wasn't really taking pics of Spider-Man....he just denied that it was him.

Man...imagine if Peter unmasked, and JJJ confronted him about everything that had happened...

Oh yeah. It never happened, now.

 

[DACrowe]

I don't mind erasing Unmasking and BIB (and Other for that matter) as they were intentionally written poorly and out of character (like OMD itself) so we would embrace BND with open arms. Instead it just pisses me off to know that they were intentionally shovelling **** at us for the last 2-3 years so we would embrace a DC Crisis-style retcon. The last 20 years of stories are gone. Peter's depth is gone. I quit because of that. I can only hope the sales continue to plumet and either Marvel reverses the decision or ASM goes into the struggling title category for a long, long time.

 

[Orest]

what ticks e off the most is how they have important characters just slip by like that. like Wolverine for example. He was in issue 555 and they likejust made him slip by. nothing important. He was there and he made some laughs and boom hes gone. they make it a big deal a couple of comics before and advertise it but when it comes its like "wow this blows out the a$$" u know what I mean. its exciting how people like Daredevil is coming (issue 566) and Kraven the Hunter (issye 565) and Venom (unknown) but do u see where I'm taking this. under these last words check the art of issue 555

Do u see what I mean. Look how silly and childish it looks? like Wolverines hands. They look like Popey hands and so fat and flappy without shape. SpiderMan two. I hope you guys see where im going.

 

[Venom 1988]

Well what do u expect? 9 times out of 10 that is how big a role a guest appearance gets. I once read a Ghost Rider comic with Spidey and Vengence teaming up and really it was quite pointless for Spidey to be there. Why they do it? For $$$

By the way, that snow arc your mentioning is probably my favorite BND story so far.

 

[Orest]

sorry. really no offense. cove hate it story like it. my favorite story is 561 I think. not sure.

 

[Orest]

oh and btw...... do you guys think issue 566 (daredevil) will be any good. I am excited but so far I havent been impressed

 

[Blader5489]

I don't mind erasing Unmasking and BIB (and Other for that matter) as they were intentionally written poorly and out of character (like OMD itself) so we would embrace BND with open arms. Instead it just pisses me off to know that they were intentionally shovelling **** at us for the last 2-3 years so we would embrace a DC Crisis-style retcon. The last 20 years of stories are gone. Peter's depth is gone. I quit because of that. I can only hope the sales continue to plumet and either Marvel reverses the decision or ASM goes into the struggling title category for a long, long time.

Oh, for ****'s sake...

And, Peter's depth is gone? Wtf does that even mean?

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I think DACrowe believes that thanks to the Demonic retcon, most of Peter's depth as a character is gone...
But I'll blame Joe Q and the higher ups...

 

[shinlyle]

Oh, for ****'s sake...

And, Peter's depth is gone? Wtf does that even mean?

The same thing it has meant the past 503 times that someone has brought it up...and you/ve refused to listen each time. UGH. I'm SO happy that I'm on your ignore list.

 

[Orest]

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Originally Posted by Blader5489
Oh, for ****'s sake...

And, Peter's depth is gone? Wtf does that even mean?


that means his past is gone.

 

[kainedamo]

Considering that the sales of BND are dropping steadily each month, no it wasn't a good idea.

 

[Blader5489]

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Originally Posted by Blader5489
Oh, for ****'s sake...

And, Peter's depth is gone? Wtf does that even mean?


that means his past is gone.

The only part of his past that is gone is his marriage to MJ. So unless you're saying that Peter was a shallow character until he got married, then his "depth" certainly isn't gone.

 

[kainedamo]

The only part of his past that is gone is his marriage to MJ. So unless you're saying that Peter was a shallow character until he got married, then his "depth" certainly isn't gone.

No. Why do you always, always claim that the only thing different is the marriage? It's blatently false and yet you keep saying it.

Peter's relationship with every character who ever found out his identity is changed. That's YEARS of many, many storylines. That's character development between Spidey and DD, Cap America, all of the Avengers, Aunt May (goodbye JMS' Confession story which was ****ing amazing), etc etc etc etc etc. All gone.

His relationship with Norman Osborn.
JMS entire run might as well have not happened.
Harry is back as though he didn't die, which changes a number of things in Peter's past (such as Harry's plot from beyond the grave, that can't have played out the same way. If that still happened, Peter would surely have went to Europe to confront the still alive Harry).

 

[Blader5489]

No. Why do you always, always claim that the only thing different is the marriage? It's blatently false and yet you keep saying it.

I didn't say it was the only change (and I have never said, in all my posts here, that it was the only option), I said it was the only thing gone. Which, granted, isn't 100% accurate but, IMO, it's the only major aspect of his character that has been eliminated.

I don't consider Harry's death or how Pete interacts with other heroes and villains as fundamental parts of the character's history. They're part of his past, sure, but (just as an example) I don't think whether Harry lived or died 15 years ago has radically altered the Spider-Man character. And I'm still waiting to see "New Ways to Die" before crying foul on Pete's relationships with Norman, Venom, etc.

 

[shinlyle]

I didn't say it was the only change (and I have never said, in all my posts here, that it was the only option), I said it was the only thing gone. Which, granted, isn't 100% accurate but, IMO, it's the only major aspect of his character that has been eliminated.

I don't consider Harry's death or how Pete interacts with other heroes and villains as fundamental parts of the character's history. They're part of his past, sure, but (just as an example) I don't think whether Harry lived or died 15 years ago has radically altered the Spider-Man character. And I'm still waiting to see "New Ways to Die" before crying foul on Pete's relationships with Norman, Venom, etc.

Broken Record.

Hiis past has changed irrevoccably. Harry's death didn't affect that much?! Argh. It helped spur on Norman's hatred of Spidey, and it was Peter's best friend! It wa also one of the only great Spider-stories of the nineties, and now it NEVER HAPPENED. Yeah...it makes a difference. Yes, Kraven's Last Hunt is now different, too. So many sotries have changed...especially if MJ never knew Peter was Spidey, or if she never revealed that she knew he was Spidey. It changes their entire relationship and every interaction they've ever had.

Also, I know this is an alien concept to you, but living together for years is TOTALLY different than beign married to someone...simply because peopl can just up and leave. When you're married, it's a REAL commitment. A commitment before God that you will ALWAYS be with that person (although most end in divorce). Still, the fact is, there are actual ramifications for leaving your spouse....leaving your bf or gf just involves packing up and moving out.

Ugh.

 

[Orest]

yeah. pete doesnt even know Iron Man either which sorta blows. do u think stark is sort of like an enemy of peter but not a villian. i dont know and cant decide