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Iron Man Was this really Iron Man?

Just get the **** out of here. When you say X-men was dark but Iron Man is a comedy...just shut up already.

It had comedic moments but was not a 'comedy'.

The fact that you say that you can't have it Light and Dark shows what an ignorant bastard you are. So in your views, movies have to be fully one or the other??
Agreed! Dude made this thread in mind to put doubt in the minds of those who haven't seen it by finding fault ANY way he can but it didn't turn out like he thought so he "liked" the movie. Now its a comedy?! :whatever: Just stop dude. You look like an idiot!
 
Guys, Iron Man is a comedy...accept the FACT. FACT is FACT, you cannot hide from it.

X-men was dark

Batman Begins was dark

Iron Man was light

You can't have OH, IT WAS LIGHT AND DARK

Nope. Iron Man was a family drama/comedy as confirmed by the director, Jon Favreau

End of discussion.

Still liked Iron Man but was not that great or special
please point me in the direction of the scenes in Batman Begins that were darker than the terrorist scenes in Iron Man, especially when they were lining up the fathers to kill them while chasing children and mothers into a hut and shooting them. Actually Batman Begins is more kid friendly content wise than Iron Man, its just the kids wouldnt get into Batmans story as much
 
Just get the **** out of here. When you say X-men was dark but Iron Man is a comedy...just shut up already.

It had comedic moments but was not a 'comedy'.

The fact that you say that you can't have it Light and Dark shows what an ignorant bastard you are. So in your views, movies have to be fully one or the other??

Hey, hey, calm down.

Jesus ...
 
please point me in the direction of the scenes in Batman Begins that were darker than the terrorist scenes in Iron Man, especially when they were lining up the fathers to kill them while chasing children and mothers into a hut and shooting them. Actually Batman Begins is more kid friendly content wise than Iron Man, its just the kids wouldnt get into Batmans story as much

I think BB is only darker than IM in that it has more scenes in the nighttime, when Batman is on the prowl. Even with the fear gas and swarms of bats, the film itself doesn't have any scary or disturbing imagery, like Stark being tortured, villagers getting killed, etc.
 
Hey, hey, calm down.

Jesus ...

Nothing wrong with showing a little anger and rage! Look at OJ. He left out his rage and he was on every channel and has written numerous books. Or look what happens when Bruce Banner gets mad. Imagine holding all that in. Someone would seriously get hurt. And if you want that to happen, I question your humanity! :mad:
 
Hey, hey, calm down.

Jesus ...

Nothing wrong with showing a little anger and rage! Look at OJ. He left out his rage and he was on every channel and has written numerous books. Or look what happens when Bruce Banner gets mad. Imagine holding all that in. Someone would seriously get hurt. And if you want that to happen, I question your humanity! :mad:
 
Guys, Iron Man is a comedy...accept the FACT. FACT is FACT, you cannot hide from it.

X-men was dark

Batman Begins was dark

Iron Man was light

You can't have OH, IT WAS LIGHT AND DARK

Nope. Iron Man was a family drama/comedy as confirmed by the director, Jon Favreau

End of discussion.

Still liked Iron Man but was not that great or special

Dude, just because something has comedic parts or an overall fun tone it doesn't make it a comedy. Begins had a lot of humor, was it a comedy? What about the Die Hard series? All those are comedies too, I guess. Spider-Man? Laugh riots! And tell me why IM can't be light and dark? Only Sith deal in absolutes buddy. By your standards Begins must have been a romantic drama, or Hulk a psychological thriller. Stop trying to scewer things to fit your perception of what you think is right or wrong. I think every poster here has called shennanigans on you. IM is a competitor with your precious Batman, you felt intimidated, you bash IM. Case closed.


P.S. Tony Stark has always been a humorous guy. Check out the 90's cartoon on Jetix. Alot of those stories and lines were pulled right from the comic book.
 
Well it comes on tv on Jetix now. That, the Spidey's 90s cartoon, Spidey and his amazing friends. I also expect the Hulk's 90s cartoon to start soon as well. I guess Disney, Marvel and Fox settled on the lawsuit they had going. Now, if only they'd sell them on dvd I'd be happier than a pedophile at a sweet 16 party!
 
Hey, hey, calm down.

Jesus ...


Sorry about the swear words or anger. If you look at the rest of my posts in this thread towards him, you'll see I tried to debate with him in a non fanboyish mature manner.

After awhile you get worn down by statements that are just incredibly incorrect as well as the obvious bias he has.
 
Don't worry about it. You did something I've wanted to do but I already got a few warnings about it from the same mod who seems to have it out for me but whatever. You did us all a favor. :o
 
Iron Man is a lighter film than BB, it is because of how stuff happened.

If you watch old cartoons, they're pretty violent, but don't seem like it because of how the violence is done, in BB, the violence and what happened was more disturbing because of how it was shot, you thought that someone might die. There wasn't a single image in IM as disturbing to children as the demon bats.

I compare the two like Ledger to Nicholson, Nicholson wasn't at all intimidating, yea, he killed people, but it was done in a way that didn't seem serious, you see Ledger in the trailers and you imediately take him like if he were real, he'd kill some people.

Don't know how this turned into IM vs BB. Here's how I see it. It's apples and oranges, they're both great at what they do, they both taste great, different, but great.


I never read many IM comics, but I loved the movie and it was a "cool" movie IMO.
 
sigh....why did you have to mention nolan/bale, fav? Do you see what you've caused?
 
How the heck can you tell me that Iron was not a light movie. You want to now argue how the terrorist bit was so REAL and DARK. Guys, let's be mature and get serious....Iron Man was intended to be a light movie for all people of all ages to connect to. It's not a BAD thing, it's just how it is.
 
Iron Man is a lighter film than BB, it is because of how stuff happened.

If you watch old cartoons, they're pretty violent, but don't seem like it because of how the violence is done, in BB, the violence and what happened was more disturbing because of how it was shot, you thought that someone might die. There wasn't a single image in IM as disturbing to children as the demon bats.
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How the heck can you tell me that Iron was not a light movie. You want to now argue how the terrorist bit was so REAL and DARK. Guys, let's be mature and get serious....Iron Man was intended to be a light movie for all people of all ages to connect to. It's not a BAD thing, it's just how it is.
watching familys get massacred by terrorists is way more disturbing to children then a demon bat. i'm not trying to argue that Iron Man was a better movie here, but it defintly was had more objectionable content for children
 
watching familys get massacred by terrorists is way more disturbing to children then a demon bat. i'm not trying to argue that Iron Man was a better movie here, but it defintly was had more objectionable content for children

Iron Man's setting is more real world than Batman's Gotham City, and instead of fear gas and demon bats, IM has terrorists who like the Taliban kill innocent lives. BB's a great film, but its brand of "disturbing imagery" just isn't really disturbing at all, unless you have a phobia for bats. And having nighttime scenes in most of the movie doesn't mean it's "dark", just that it's harder to see the action shrouded in darkness.
 
Having terrorists in a film (although they weren't exactly that) does not make the film dark. Almost any action film has weapons in it, that doesn't mean it's dark and serious. Iron Man for good or for bad was a very light film.
Apart from a couple of terrorist scenes, the film's dialogue was almost as light-hearted as the FF films. Everything was a chance to crack a joke, not many scenes had real gravity or emotion to them. It was an entertaining film, but that doesn't mean it was deep and serious.
I know it's not the best time to say this, since the enthusiasm hasn't yet died down, and I'm probably going to be labeled a TDK fanboy, but that's how it is.

P.S.: I don't think BB is disturbing and it's not really dark, it just has a more sober tone.
 
you can watch Iron Man online? can you link me, i can't find anything on Jetix

if only they'd sell them on dvd

Are either of you from the UK? Cos if you are, you can buy a whole load of Marvel series on Amazon.co.uk that aren't available on Amazon.com.

After awhile you get worn down by statements that are just incredibly incorrect as well as the obvious bias he has.

Fair enough, but it's always a good idea to take several deep breaths.

I never read many IM comics, but I loved the movie and it was a "cool" movie IMO.

I never read ANY Iron Man comics, but after seeing the movie, I'm gonna start.
 
How the heck can you tell me that Iron was not a light movie. You want to now argue how the terrorist bit was so REAL and DARK. Guys, let's be mature and get serious....Iron Man was intended to be a light movie for all people of all ages to connect to. It's not a BAD thing, it's just how it is.

It wasn't dark, but it also wasn't a "light family fun film". Iron Man is a lot like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard. The action is dead serious, but the hero of the film throws in some witty comments to give the audience some laughs. Stark bangs chicks, gmbles, gets drunk, is held hostage by terrorists, has the guy he's imprisoned with die in front of him, kills terrorists by the dozens (either by setting them on fire, shooting them in the head, or smashing them into things), and gets very serious when it' time for business.

Stark himself... as a character... uses his wit and excesses (like booze and women) to try and shield himself from the tough truths of life. People like this exist in real life, and telling a story about such a person is not a comedy. Stark does present a playboy image of himself to the public, but when it gets down to business, he's far more serious. Or did you guys miss his arguments with Stane and Potts (and later his reconciliation with Potts)?

Just because a movie doesn't have a "dark" tone doesn't mean it doesn't take itself seriously. Fantastic Four rarely took itself seriously and was filled with funny situations outside of the final battle scene and one or two Doom-centric scenes.

In contrast to FF, Iron Man is no more a comedy than BB. Stark's witty remarks toward Potts or Stane are no more "comedy" than Wayne's witty exchanges with Alfred or Earle. But let's apply your very loose definitions of "comedy" and "light family entertainment" to Batman Begins.

Earle: Why is no one answering the phone?
[sees Bruce from behind, teaching Jessica to play golf]
Bruce Wayne: [turning around] It's Wayne Enterprises, Mr. Earle, I'm sure they'll call back.
Earle: Bruce? You're supposed to be dead.
Bruce Wayne: I'm sorry to disappoint.

If that's not comedy, what is?

Batman: I'm Batman!
[Batman knocks Falcone out with a headbutt, then notices a bum watching him. The bum is wearing the coat Bruce gave him years ago]
Batman: Nice coat.
[Batman flies off with Falcone]
Homeless Man: Thanks.

Funny exchange with a homeless guy during battle? How can this NOT be comedy? Also, it helps keep the kiddies laughing to distract them from the violence. Very family friendly... just like Die Hard.

one of Ra's' henchmen watches Wayne Manor burn, to make sure no one comes out; Alfred sneaks up and knocks him out with a golf club]
Alfred Pennyworth: I hope you're not a member of the fire brigade.

I'm sure the priceless British comedy of Caine had families rolling in the aisles.

Bruce Wayne: Too expensive for the Army?
Lucius Fox: I don't think they tried to market it to the billionaire, spelunking, BASE-jumping crowd.

Comedy gold right here. Because witty remarks can never be a natural part of dialogue, this must be a comedy.

Maitre D: Sir, the pool is for decoration, and your friends do not have swimwear.
Bruce Wayne: Well, they're European.
Maitre D: I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
[Bruce starts to write a check]
Maitre D: It is not a question of money.
Bruce Wayne: [gives him the check] Well, you see, I'm buying this hotel, and uh, setting some new rules about the pool area.

One of the funniest scenes in the movie. That makes BB a comedy, right? Hanging out with dumb gorgeous models jumping into hotel swimming pools is also similiar to how Stark keeps around gorgeous dancers to be his airline attendents. I guess BB really is a comedy then.

Bruce Wayne: Well, it's a good thing I left everything to you, then.
Alfred Pennyworth: Quite so, sir. And you can borrow the Rolls if you like. Just bring it back with a full tank.

Hahahaha!

Valet: Nice car.
Bruce Wayne: You should see my other one.

LOL!

Homeless Man: [watches as Bruce Wayne is thrown out of Falcone's establishment] Should've tipped better!

A laugh sensation!

[Alfred smashes a prototype cowl with a baseball bat]
Alfred Pennyworth: It's a problem with the graphite, sir. The next 10,000 will be up to specifications.
Bruce Wayne: At least they gave us a discount.
Alfred Pennyworth: Quite. In the, uh, meantime, Sir, may I suggest you try to avoid landing on your head?

Oh, that Alfred!

Alfred Pennyworth: What would you call *that*?
[points to a TV news report showing a helicopter shot of the Batmobile being chased down the freeway by police cars]
Bruce Wayne: [as he fixes his tie] Damn good television.

Wow, that's a lot of witty remarks and humor for such a "dark" movie. Or can it be that a film can have some comedic moments and still be dark? And likewise, a film can be "serious" without be dark. Or didn't you get the memo?
 
It wasn't dark, but it also wasn't a "light family fun film". Iron Man is a lot like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard. The action is dead serious, but the hero of the film throws in some witty comments to give the audience some laughs.

Excellent comment, and dead on.
 
Excellent comment, and dead on.

Well hello there, Tony. I'm Clark. I know us DC guys aren't supposed to fraternise with you Marvel guys but I thought I'd say hello anyway. Maybe we can have an air race some time, Supes vs. Shellhead. How does that sound?
 
Well hello there, Tony. I'm Clark. I know us DC guys aren't supposed to fraternise with you Marvel guys but I thought I'd say hello anyway. Maybe we can have an air race some time, Supes vs. Shellhead. How does that sound?

Shhhh! Not so loud Clark, people aren't supposed to know who we really are. Oh wait.....I told everyone already. Well guess you have alot of explaining to Lois.
 
Shhhh! Not so loud Clark, people aren't supposed to know who we really are. Oh wait.....I told everyone already. Well guess you have alot of explaining to Lois.

Oh, her. S***, thanks for reminding me, :grin:.
 
Iron Man for good or for bad was a very light film.

VERY light? You're VERY wrong.

Apart from a couple of terrorist scenes, the film's dialogue was almost as light-hearted as the FF films. Everything was a chance to crack a joke, not many scenes had real gravity or emotion to them.

First off, if the dialogue were like FF, this film would've never made this much money. FF had a horrible story and horrible dialogue... hence, it made a mediocre return at the box office and was generally trashed by viewers and critics. Iron Man is succeeding because it's a vastly more serious film. Not "serious" as in "it's a dark drama". More serious in that characters act like human beings, responding to situation in ways that audiences can identify with. A solid story helps to move the plot along, and because it's an action flick, there's also *gasp* action!

Like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon and Batman Begins, humor is interspersed (sp?) to show the audiences: Yes, the characters themselves realize these situations are out of the ordinary. Just like you would, they're making light of strange situations to cope with them.

But let's focus on your idea that "every scene was a joke set up" and few scenes had any emotion or gravity to them.

Every single minute of Stark's imprisonment had gravity to it. No one was talking about their dead parents and how grim the world is (batman, batman, batman), but Stark's fellow captive dies while talking about how he'll finally meet his family... Stark and the man discuss how Stark my have riches but that he is "poor" in friends and meaningful relationships. The lead terrorist even threatens to shove a hot coal down the co-captive's mouth. NOTHING about any of these scenes was played in a "light hearted" or "family friendly" way.

The only laugh-worthy moment in ant of the captivity scenes was during the break-out when one terrorist kills himself while trying to shoot the armor.

That whole chunk of the film ALONE disproves your ridiculous assertion, but let's continue.

Stark's interaction with Potts at the party where she's wearing the dress. Stark's longing for a real relationship was played up in the scene... no humor. The awkwardness evident in Potts mannerisms might get a chuckle, but it was genuine (not comedic) awkwardness. The resolution of the scene has Potts barely knowing what to do, and Tony (now feeling awkward himself) goes to get drinks for them.

Another scene: Stark hears news of the Ten Rings terrorists storming throygh the middle east. We see his frustration build as he watches the news. Eventually he suits up and flies off. In the middle east, Ten Rings members are slaying families in the streets. Jericho missiles are destroying towns. Women and children, screaming in fear, are shoved into trucks. One son tries to run back to his father. A terrorist leader throws the boy aside and begins stomping on the father. The father is to be shot in the head... the Ten Rings member ordered to do so is clearly reluctant to shoot a defenseless man in the face. Trembling with fear, the terrorist shouts at the man to look away.

Iron Man arrives on the scene, coldly eying the events around him. Battering and blasting several Ten Rings members, he kills or critically injures them all in a violent display. Other terrorists use women and children as human shields. Iron Man lowers his arms, uses his targetting systems, and shoulder-mounted guns shoot all of the terrorists square in the foreheads.

Iron Man then gives the terrorist leader to the people of the village and flies off.

Yet again... another chunk of the movie without humor. After that, Iron Man dispatches a tank easily... so easily that audience members could get a laugh out of how awesome the scene was, but it was not light-hearted at all.

Stane's talk with Potts when she's trying to spy for Tony: tense moments. No humor. Stane yelling at his engineers about miniaturizing an arc light reactor: no humor. Stane's battle with Tony (minus the "how did you solve the freezing problem?"): no humor.

Stark's talk with the press following his return home: showed character development. Showed him questioning the morals he'd built his life around. Questioning the work of his own father. No humor.

Stark himself is a playboy billionaire. He's smart, and he's arrogant. He also likes to lighten up any situation he's in. This is displayed best in the humvee scene. He can't stand the silence. He HAS to get people's attention focused on himself. But as anyone whose watched the film can see, when it's time to get serious... Tony gets serious.

Now this film may be more family friendly than Batman Begins, but that doesn't mean it IS a family friendly, light-hearted flick.

Because really, Batman Begins is more family friendly than Predator or Schindler's List. That doesn't mean BB is family friendly or light-hearted entertainment.
 
^ EternalMaster, that was eloquent and very spot-on. One of the best post I've read in awhile. :up:
 

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