Iron Man Was this really Iron Man?

[8blades]

Guys you need to CHILL.

I like Iron Man, it was goood and a competent comic book adaptation. All I'm saying is that I really did not dig RDJ's interpretation of a character. He was himself and did not inhabit a character. The charisma and quick-talking is what RDJ always does. At least he was a character in Chaplin but come on, dont give kudos by being himself. He wasn't even really acting. He rolled up the script and threw it away because he just wanted to wing the whole thing. Sorry guys, but I want to watch a film were guys inhabit specific characters.
I am no fanboy but only a film critic. Like it or not, Iron Man was safe film that was FAMILY-FRIENDLY, Favreau even said it was family-friendly. It's just a shame that Batman is the ONLY comic-book film that is trying to be serious while everything else has attempted to be Iron Man, but failed.

 

[Franklin Richards]

John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, and Clint Eastwood played themselves in every movie they ever appeared in.

You got a problem with them?

*Prepares the anthrax email*

 

[Spider-X]

all i'm getting from this thread is the insecurity of batman fans because Iron Man has proven to be an amazing movie and TDK is in competition with it.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

oh boy.

Are you kids familiar with the Star Wars movies...I mean the good ones, from the 70's and 80's?

Notice how Star Wars is a kind of fun romp, and then Empire Strikes Back is darker and more depressing?...the second movie in the series, like, in the first one, they introduced the characters, got you to start liking them, and THEN throw crap at them so you went, "WTF will happen?! "


This was the first Iron Man movie. They clearly were setting up the early stages of a drinking problem when he wanted to go to drinking and Rhodes was all, "No...no."

That's how it starts, you drink because it's a blast, then, it starts ****ing up your life.



They've said that they're going to deal with the darker issues if they get to make sequels.
You can't necessarily just start with it. Bruce Wayne's stuff started when he was a little boy.
Things spin out of control for Tony Stark, AFTER they've gone well for a while.

 

[EML]

Kid. Singular. There's only one 'tard dissenting.

 

[X Knight]

OMG!!!! THERE'S GOING TO BE A SEQUEL!!!! You mean.....they don't have to cram every issue into the 1ST movie!!!????

What a Freakin NOVEL idea!!!

 

[Figs]

Guys you need to CHILL.

I like Iron Man, it was goood and a competent comic book adaptation. All I'm saying is that I really did not dig RDJ's interpretation of a character. He was himself and did not inhabit a character. The charisma and quick-talking is what RDJ always does. At least he was a character in Chaplin but come on, dont give kudos by being himself. He wasn't even really acting. He rolled up the script and threw it away because he just wanted to wing the whole thing. Sorry guys, but I want to watch a film were guys inhabit specific characters.
I am no fanboy but only a film critic. Like it or not, Iron Man was safe film that was FAMILY-FRIENDLY, Favreau even said it was family-friendly. It's just a shame that Batman is the ONLY comic-book film that is trying to be serious while everything else has attempted to be Iron Man, but failed.

He rolled up the script and threw it away because, as Favreau himself said in a few interviews...Downey Jr. said the dialogue was ****! Looking at a lot of comic films, there are plenty of lame/cheesy lines in them that should have been changed.

You can turn it around to say he just wanted to play himself or wing it all you want but maybe Downey Jr. ad-libbing a good number of lines is what helped make this film so enjoyable and stand as one of the best comic films yet.

Just because the majority of scenes weren't at night or in the shadows like Batman doesn't make it Family-Friendly...at least to the level your putting it at.

Honestly, when it comes to violence and death BB might have only been worse by a teensy tiny bit. All in all, if your saying really young kids would be perfectly fine watching Iron Man the same can be said about BB.

The only comic films off the top of my head that were truly Family-Friendly were the Fantastic Four films. By Family-Friendly, I mean kids in the 4/5+ range can see them.

Almost forgot, aside from Stark's playboy attitude of having fun and being a smartass...this film was also at the same time trying to be serious. It's just the material has never been that dark and depressing as Batman. Not exactly a fair thing to say about Iron Man or X-men for that matter.

 

[8blades]

Look guys, this ain't a comparison contest. You can't compare Favreau and Nolan...come on, let's get real. Memento? Prestige?

Cant compare Bale and RDJ...come on man. There isn't any competition

I will still say, no matter what you think, I liked Iron Man

 

[kakashi]

Look guys, this ain't a comparison contest. You can't compare Favreau and Nolan...come on, let's get real. Memento? Prestige?

Cant compare Bale and RDJ...come on man. There isn't any competition

I will still say, no matter what you think, I liked Iron Man

 

[Figs]

Look guys, this ain't a comparison contest. You can't compare Favreau and Nolan...come on, let's get real. Memento? Prestige?

Cant compare Bale and RDJ...come on man. There isn't any competition

I will still say, no matter what you think, I liked Iron Man

I wasn't trying to compare the actual directors and their style/vision. Iwas basically just saying that the world of each of these characters is fairly different in tone and visuals.

I don't doubt that you liked Iron Man, I just don't think it's as Family Friendly as you make it out to be.

To each his own though.

 

[Iceman]

Personally, I find it idiotic and mind boggling why people keep comparing those two and not comparing Iron Man with any other 1st/origin comic film.

I think people got too carried away with the notion that their both millionaires/billionaires and don't have much for family.

The main reason is probably because Batman Begins & Iron Man are so close in quality & easily the best superhero origin films.

 

[kakashi]

Look guys, this ain't a comparison contest. You can't compare Favreau and Nolan...come on, let's get real. Memento? Prestige?

Cant compare Bale and RDJ...come on man. There isn't any competition

I will still say, no matter what you think, I liked Iron Man

So..you finally admitted it. This wasn't about you being slightly disapointed by the iron man movie.

This is about you trying to convince everybody thatBatmn bagins was the better movie than iron man...

Good luck with that.

Look guys, this ain't a comparison contest. You can't compare Favreau and Nolan...come on, let's get real. Memento? Prestige?

We're discussing the Iron man movie. Nolan and favreau previous movies got nothing to do with it.remember, james cameron was once the director of Piranha2, but that doesn't take away the fact that he turns out to be a great director .

Cant compare Bale and RDJ...come on man. There isn't any competition

your man-crush with Bale aside, they are BOTH great actors...with great accomplishments. RDJ was even nominated for an oscar,so i don't really know what you're trying to prove here.

 

[Syncos]

Hang on a second. Someone needs to fill me in as to why RDJ playing himself is a bad thing... Him and Stark are very similar in a lot of ways.

8Blades, that's called good casting.

Get over it.

 

[Raiden]

Look guys, this ain't a comparison contest. You can't compare Favreau and Nolan...come on, let's get real. Memento? Prestige?

Cant compare Bale and RDJ...come on man. There isn't any competition

I will still say, no matter what you think, I liked Iron Man

RDJ is a better actor than Bale. RDJ is an extremely talented actor, and even earned an Oscar nomination. It's RDJ's messed up personal life that undermined his career, otherwise he'd be a huge star already.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'm not going to compare them as actors, because I think both Bale and Downey are brilliant actors. What I am going to dispel is this notion that Bale was some sort of household name and was a popular choice. In fact I'd bet hard earned cash that 90% of the fanboys never saw Bale in another film role outside Batman.

In fact Bale was instructed by Warner, to do all of his interviews with his Bruce Wayne American accent, rather than his native Welsh, to avoid confusion. Hell, even fellow Welshman Ioan Gruffudd didn't have to speak with an American accent for Fantastic Four.

Again, this has nothing to do with him as an actor, but it shows the studio's lack of faith in Bale and lack of faith in the overall production. Sure after it was a hit, they poured all kinds of money into it.

But most of all, don't come on here and say Bale is better than RDJ, when you haven't even watched any of his movies. Or are the fanboys admitting they were a huge fan of "Newsies".

 

[30+Dark]

Iron Man is a better film than Batman Begins, in my opinion.

 

[8blades]

I'm not going to compare them as actors, because I think both Bale and Downey are brilliant actors. What I am going to dispel is this notion that Bale was some sort of household name and was a popular choice. In fact I'd bet hard earned cash that 90% of the fanboys never saw Bale in another film role outside Batman.

In fact Bale was instructed by Warner, to do all of his interviews with his Bruce Wayne American accent, rather than his native Welsh, to avoid confusion. Hell, even fellow Welshman Ioan Gruffudd didn't have to speak with an American accent for Fantastic Four.

Again, this has nothing to do with him as an actor, but it shows the studio's lack of faith in Bale and lack of faith in the overall production. Sure after it was a hit, they poured all kinds of money into it.

But most of all, don't come on here and say Bale is better than RDJ, when you haven't even watched any of his movies. Or are the fanboys admitting they were a huge fan of "Newsies".

Let's hit it.
Films i watched of Bale before Begins

Empire of the Sun

American Psycho

Shaft (New Version)

Equilibrium

So, don't label me as a fanboy. Guys in the know flipped over their heads in excitment when they heard Bale was cast as Batman...guys in the know.

Look, RDJ is a real nice guy and all but apart from Chaplin...what else he done? Clowning around in every movie. Guys just love him and will support him no matter what. There is a time for clowning around in Iron Man, and time for some serious stuff in Batman.

 

[X Knight]

but why can't a movie be both serious AND fun?

To me IM was both.

And, for the record, I loved BB and I loved Bale as Bruce / BB. But to compare the level of "seriousness" in BB and IM is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. They're TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS!!

Batman SHOULD be darker and grittier than IM. Does that mean it was more "serious?" Not really, as it is a DIFFERENT TYPE OF SERIOUSNESS!

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

To compare the level of "seriousness" in BB and IM is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. They're TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS!!

That's what 8blades doesn't seem to understand.

 

[Raiden]

Let's hit it.
Films i watched of Bale before Begins

Empire of the Sun

American Psycho

Shaft (New Version)

Equilibrium

So, don't label me as a fanboy. Guys in the know flipped over their heads in excitment when they heard Bale was cast as Batman...guys in the know.

Look, RDJ is a real nice guy and all but apart from Chaplin...what else he done? Clowning around in every movie. Guys just love him and will support him no matter what. There is a time for clowning around in Iron Man, and time for some serious stuff in Batman.

What, you never seen any RDJ movies besides Chaplin and Iron Man?

 

[8blades]

Ive seen some others, can't remember their names. He was a guy that always kept on creeping up in so many movies that you just flick to.

Fact is, RDJ is clown. A funny clown, but still a clown. Iron Man had a more family friendly TONE to it. It's not a bad thing. Yes, there were serious moments but it was more of comedic feel than anything else.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

This thread's great for a laugh. Its always funny to see how quirky and obsessive people can become about these things.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Fact is, RDJ is clown. A funny clown, but still a clown. Iron Man had a more family friendly TONE to it. It's not a bad thing. Yes, there were serious moments but it was more of comedic feel than anything else.

No, that's not a fact, it's an opinion. Kind of like how in MY opinion, RDJ could act circles around Bale while blindfolded and being beaten to death.

See that? OPINION.

 

[Figs]

Ive seen some others, can't remember their names. He was a guy that always kept on creeping up in so many movies that you just flick to.

Fact is, RDJ is clown. A funny clown, but still a clown. Iron Man had a more family friendly TONE to it. It's not a bad thing. Yes, there were serious moments but it was more of comedic feel than anything else.

What exactly makes him a clown?

Not sure what movies you've seen him in but if you feel like it or get the time check out some of these.

Zodiac
Natural Born Killers
A Scanner Darkly
In Dreams
Chaplin
U.S. Marshalls
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Good Night, and Good Luck
Heart and Souls
Air America

Those are most of the ones I've seen him in. I don't see what makes him a clown exactly.

 

[NoirMan82]

What exactly makes him a clown?

Not sure what movies you've seen him in but if you feel like it or get the time check out some of these.

Zodiac
Natural Born Killers
A Scanner Darkly
In Dreams
Chaplin
U.S. Marshalls
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Good Night, and Good Luck
Heart and Souls
Air America

Those are most of the ones I've seen him in. I don't see what makes him a clown exactly.

Dude, you have to see Charlie Bartlett. It's actually a pretty good flick and Downey was outright scary in it towards the end. RDJ a clown, 8blades? You obviously don't know your stuff. I love Bale, I jumped for joy when he was annouced as Batman, he was my dream choice. But when it comes to acting, Downey can run rings around him.

By the way, I tought Iron Man was a fun, action oriented flick, but not really "family-friendly". It was more "movie-goer friendly". I mean, Iron Man had sex, alcohol, terrorism, death, war, and destruction. I don't think those things make it family friendly at all.