WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[Showtime]

And don't forget the "Return to Krypton" sequence. A full 20 minutes of effects-heavy film that never showed up in the final cut.

Which was a complete waste of time and money.

 

[That'ssuper!]

I don't understand how much money can be for probably the largest fiilm budget in history and produce such a crappy movie. Spider-Man 3 was better than this movie and it made 4 times as much as SR did.

 

[CrazyDavey]

I thought everyone knew I felt that way...

B and R is watchable and entertaining for what it is...a take on the Batman of the 50's and 60's TV show.

SR is just simply not entertaining or enjoyable.

SR is entertaining and enjoyable. It was a tribute to Superman 1 and 2

 

[Showtime]

WHat happened with Batman and Robin was fixable.

Dick goes off to college...

Bruce moves into the penthouse apartment in town...

He's the Dark Knight, solo once again...

You do Scarecrow and R'as al Gul, but not as part of an origin story and there you go.

There is no plot point from B and R that needed resolving or follow through in a sequel. You can change tone and improve quality while referencing nothing from previous films.

Now this doesn't mean it would be successful, the audience may have been burnt out by that point, but time is the only healer there.

WIth SR you have plot points that are necessarily important to a sequel, but also the very problem with the storyline itself.

THere's a big difference.

That is just your version of what could be done to fix a sequel to Batman and Robin, it doesn't mean that the audience or WB would think its fixed. I believe a writer could fix Superman Returns, the only plot point that really hangs over you as a writer is Jason and Richard. Sure it's no small task, but it certainly is fixable.

There is a reason that version of Batman did not continue after Batman and Robin, and its the same reason why Superman might not continue. The movie didn't pull its weight at the box office and the fans were mixed. Whatever way you look at it, it's the same boat up the creek, just painted a different color.

 

[Showtime]

I thought everyone knew I felt that way...

B and R is watchable and entertaining for what it is...a take on the Batman of the 50's and 60's TV show.

I disagree completely, I think it's one of the worst comicbook movies ever made, but that is my opinion vs yours. Nothing we can really do about that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Seems Routh is more popular on this board than certain people give him credit for.

 

[VenomsMom]

I don't understand how much money can be for probably the largest fiilm budget in history and produce such a crappy movie. Spider-Man 3 was better than this movie and it made 4 times as much as SR did.

Apparently many scenes got cut and are still in some room at the WB according to some. Maybe they should put them in the extended cut DVD and capitalize back on some of those profits huh......

 

[VenomsMom]

B and R was a kiddie film and they knew exactly what they were doing. It was a marketing approach for toys and action figures and happy meals geared toward them. We knew that when we saw that travesty. Throw a couple of Hollywood big names in and turn it into a camp fest. You would think they learned their lesson from SIII.

 

[Super Kal]

I really doubt there's gonna be an "extended cut"

 

[VenomsMom]

I really doubt there's gonna be an "extended cut"

why not? They got the footage why not use it. For the money spent there must have been some remarkable scenes.

 

[Super Kal]

Singer himself said that the cut that we have right now is the director's cut, and he doesn't believe in the whole "extended cut" deal

 

[Venom'sDad]

Superman Returns
budget: $270 million
domestic take: $200,081,192

Now this is funny, because many of Singer's supporters chastise me for saying that the film cost more than $260 million to make. Those very same people swore up & down that the film only cost $208 million. What gives here?

 

[VenomsMom]

Singer himself said that the cut that we have right now is the director's cut, and he doesn't believe in the whole "extended cut" deal

Well....I guess we can scratch that idea. We are back to square one. 270 million bucks.

 

[VenomsMom]

Singer himself said that the cut that we have right now is the director's cut, and he doesn't believe in the whole "extended cut" deal

Why would Singer have the final say in that anyways. Doesnt the WB have to make a decision like that?

 

[Super Kal]

Now this is funny, because many of Singer's supporters chastise me for saying that the film cost more than $260 million to make. Those very same people swore up & down that the film only cost $208 million. What gives here?

they're talking about tax rebates and stuff like that... since they filmed in Australia, it was cheaper...


obviously not cheap enough

 

[Super Kal]

Why would Singer have the final say in that anyways. Doesnt the WB have to make a decision like that?

my guess is that even though WB owns the character, Singer made the movie, so he has control over what happens to the releases

 

[Venom'sDad]

they're talking about tax rebates and stuff like that... since they filmed in Australia, it was cheaper...

I understand that, but that's not what they was referring to. As a matter of fact, that didn't come up in the discussion.

WB either paid out or cost them $208 million to do this film or $270 million, that's the bottom line.

Ehh...

 

[Super Kal]

270 mill is the price that includes the other projects that tried to get Superman off the ground.

but, like I said, no matter how you look at it, SR underperformed. big time.
A reboot IS needed.

 

[VenomsMom]

270 mill is the price that includes the other projects that tried to get Superman off the ground.

but, like I said, no matter how you look at it, SR underperformed. big time.
A reboot IS needed.

Of course it is.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Now, like most here and elsewhere, I royally like Brandon Routh as Superman and would hate to see him replace... which will most likely happen in a complete reboot. The way to get around that IMHO, is to do a Prequel. This would allow WB to give an origin story as I have discussed and maintain Routh as Superman for future installment. The Prequel could feature General Zod escape from the Phantom Zone and touch obviously on Lex Luthor. However, I would re-invent Lex as CEO of financial strap LexCorps, hence the reason for swindling the old lady's money, for his company and why Lex got off because there was no evidence or testimoney from Superman to link Lex to an invented crime in the confines of this new continuity.

WB just need to have imagination, creativity, and some profound understanding of the characters and their resources.

I wish I could elaborate more on what I'm trying to say here without getting long-winded and drawn-out; but no one understand the point I was trying to convey?

 

[Super Kal]

i wouldn't want to see a prequel because we already have the prequels in m ovie form and comic book form

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think a prequel to SR is a good idea. There were comicbook prequels anyway. Better to move on, move forward and do something more fresh and dynamic.

 

[Showtime]

I really doubt there's gonna be an "extended cut"

I can almost guarantee there will be at some point, but that is just me.

I don't think a prequel to SR is a good idea. There were comicbook prequels anyway. Better to move on, move forward and do something more fresh and dynamic.

I agree, although if they had to do a movie with a connection to SR, I don't think a prequel is that bad of an idea.

 

[Showtime]

In some instances, I think Routh is more popular than Superman Returns, and to some Routh is even bigger than Superman.

 

[Snoo]

To me the problem with a reboot is that it would most probably exclude Routh if a new director got on board. I know this has been debated already many times. "Would a new director keep Routh? Would he like Routh? And if Singer returns to direct, would he go with a reboot?" Etc, etc.

I just don't know. At this point I'd be happy with anything as long as Routh was in it. I doubt in a new director at the helm because he represents even more uncertainty (more than already exists regarding MOS, anyway), like anything could happen, including Routh getting the boot, which would sadden and disappoint me.

What if the new director thought: "Oh, why should I keep him? I don't even like this kid! I know of another kid who could do this!" You just never know. Unless WB pushes for Routh, I don't see why a new director would need to use him again. It's true the casting would take ages again because it's such a difficult role to cast but maybe he'd be willing to go through that just to get his fave pick for Superman. "Ignore what other people thought of Routh in SR, give me my Superman!" You know?

I can but hope a new director, if there indeed would be one, sees what Routh's fans see in Routh, and lets him wear the cape again.