World Web shooter shop class - Part 4

Interesting... Well if we can't use that then dry spinning seems like the way to go. I don't want to use a heating coil for my webshooter. Seems to experimental. I'll probably look into dry spinning.

I used a heating coil on mine... the problem is getting the effective heat conductivity between the coil and the ejection point.

I found that using a copper wrap, thermal paste, and a final wrap of heat-retaining gutter insulation tape worked just fine.
 
That's a good idea but personally I'll just stick to no heating coil. (Web pun intended) (lol)
 
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I want to use all organic chemicals so it will be biodegradable and safe on skin. So my idea is: polymer + adhesive + additives. Polymer = elasticity and strength. Adhesive = strong as polymer and solidifies instantly.
Additives = flame ******ants, color, conductivity, ect...
 
My idea for the polymer is actual spidersilk. The main structure is Fibroin which can be purchased and strengthened with pva or cellulose acetate or both. I'm not sure about the adhesive or additives.
 
For the shooter I want to keep it simple. High carbon steel cuff, solenoid valve, batteries to power solenoid, co2 cartridges with refillable top for fluid and co2, piping, two push buttons with protective seals, and spinneret. I am going to nickel plate the shooter for extra strength. I am also going to to coat inner pipes with Teflon for non stick properties.
 
No it's really just on paper. I don't really have the money for supplies. But I'm really am gonna try to build the real deal. I already have started constructing a solenoid valve out of a old transformer and some magnet wire.
 
Hey y'all. I haven't forgotten about this project, but I haven't had anything really to say until recently. I owe wadaltmon the credit for my most recent thoughts because of his video, the solidification complex. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgI1-ZZ7rOQ

His video showed his processing on how to heat and remove the solvent from his web fluid formula which I can only assume is acetone or something similar to it, being that he was able to touch the heating coil.

Problem:

My formula is based in water soluble polyvinyl alcohol which means I need to boil water instead of acetone. This is problematic because the boiling point is higher. I need to heat my fluid to over 100 degrees celcius. That is alot of heat, so I've been curious as to how to heat the fluid for long enough if it's only going to be in the heated spinneret for a fraction of a second.

This is our current shooter layout:

Pressure vessel--> tubing+connectors--> valve--> heated spinneret.

Solution: As I've been talking to my protege' about it, he asked me why I couldn't heat the fluid for longer. He made a good point. I thought about it and I think I've come up with an easy solution that will allow heat resistant materials to touch the heated part s without damaging the other parts, while simultaneously allowing the fluid to heat up for longer.

Layout: pressure vessel-->solenoid valve--> connectors and SILICONE tubing-->a bunch of tightly coiled HEATED metal tubing--> heat resistant check valve with built in spinneret.

So how this works is that the fluid will try to escape through the pressure vessel but is blocked by the solenoid. When the solenoid unlocks, the fluid rushes through the tubing to a network of metal tubing that is arranged kind of like intestines (so that you can fit a lot of tubing in a small space). This allows the fluid to heat up for at least as many feet of tubing as it takes to get though the maze and to the valve. The fluid will then build up enough pressure to escape a heat resistant schrader valve with a filter in it so that it will split the fluid into strands. Now here is the real key. When you cut the solenoid valve, the fluid in the tubing and the "maze" will stay between the solenoid valve and the schrader valve. This will allow the solvent to boil until the next shot is fired. If too much water boils, it will be hot enough to liquefy the Polyvinyl alcohol (which I didn't think was possible until I saw maker bot do it.)

In short, you can charge a shot that's in the "chamber" until it's transitioned to liquid from solvent to liquid from heat.

This idea isn't perfect. The heat ratio needs to be perfected, and I'm not sure how steam will affect things as the water boils, but at least nothing will be destroyed and noone needs custom parts.

Tell me what you all think.
 
Here is an example of a schrader valve with a built in spinneret that is heat proof.

http://www.lf.psu.edu/Projects/Pics/IMI.jpg

IMI.jpg



Also, I feel I need to apologize for my behavior throughout this three or four year endeavour. I've been looking through the posts to catch up, and I realized that I seem callous and arrogant when I write. I suppose when I am in my head, it makes sense, but it looks like I'm kind of a jerk. I'd like to apologize and thank everyone for working on this project. This thread has been around for years thanks to you all. Thanks for the help and support.

The first post was on 10-28-2010 effectively making this a 5 year gig.
 
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Also it's great to see this thread is still active. For a while I thought I was the only person here.
 
You probably were. That's for sure.

Thanks for the video updates. I didn't know of "The.amazing". He seems to have made very good strides in the prototyping. So now we have Wadaltmon and this gentleman. Does "The.amazing" exist on this forum? If so, what is his username?

On a different note:

I've noticed that some of us have skills that the others lack. Whereas I have the theoretical knowledge, I am terrible at crafting anything home made. Wadaltmon is very good at making things at home and experimenting, but he lacks time. I think we all lack funds. What if we each worked on a different piece of the shooter and brought our resources together?

-For instance, I will be working on crafting the spinneret and a heating source to evaporate the fluid. One of my best friends, Spider_man4208, will be coming into the forums soon, and he is working on the pressure vessel with the solenoid valves. He is good at crafting, whereas I am better at research. We are splitting the cost and we are meeting up in a little more than a month to work on it together.

-If we had an artist, a programmer, and a chemist (to make the formula and tweak it) We could split the cost among us all.

What do you all think about that?
 
You probably were. That's for sure.

Thanks for the video updates. I didn't know of "The.amazing". He seems to have made very good strides in the prototyping. So now we have Wadaltmon and this gentleman. Does "The.amazing" exist on this forum? If so, what is his username?

On a different note:

I've noticed that some of us have skills that the others lack. Whereas I have the theoretical knowledge, I am terrible at crafting anything home made. Wadaltmon is very good at making things at home and experimenting, but he lacks time. I think we all lack funds. What if we each worked on a different piece of the shooter and brought our resources together?

-For instance, I will be working on crafting the spinneret and a heating source to evaporate the fluid. One of my best friends, Spider_man4208, will be coming into the forums soon, and he is working on the pressure vessel with the solenoid valves. He is good at crafting, whereas I am better at research. We are splitting the cost and we are meeting up in a little more than a month to work on it together.

-If we had an artist, a programmer, and a chemist (to make the formula and tweak it) We could split the cost among us all.

What do you all think about that?

He is not on this forum that I am at all aware of.

Also, yes, I do lack a lot of time now due to my entry into university, and I was lacking it before as well. I am doing what I can, but I also have some other things that need to be taken care of. Rest assured, though, that I will be working more on the shooter in the coming weeks, since I'll have a lot of free time therein.
 
I don't know if he's on the website and I don't know his real name. The isobutane method seems genius and would eliminate the need for a heating coil since it evaporates instantly. It might even work as a solvent. If you use this just put isobutane in a freezer for half an hour and pour it out afterwards.
 
The isobutane method seems genius and

would eliminate the need for a heating coil since it evaporates instantly. It might even work as a solvent.

I do agree that the isobutane method is genius. It's a way that I have never even considered using to keep pressure consistent in a cartridge. It would also make it much easier to create a pressure vessel than having to rely on air alone.


As for the heating coil, I'm not sure I can go along with that just yet. See my webbing fluid is polyvinyl alcohol which is a polar substance. isobutane is what you can a hydrocarbon. Most hydrocarbons are nonpolar. That means that polyvinyl alcohol and isobutane don't dissolve in eachother. I need water/ethanol to dissolve it. That means that I need a heating coil to evaporate the water.

However, if you use a nonpolar polymer that dissolves in isobutane, you could probably succeed with the easiest web shooter. I highly recommend looking into it.
 
The thing I'm still concerned that not a lot of people are looking into is the actual ejection of the fluid from the canister while the canister is at any orientation.
The only real way to accomplish this is to make the actual container size dynamic around the fluid, and if anyone has any ideas on this, it would be a great asset to the project. I've already elaborated on my GPM3 concept but I don't know if I've put it totally in depth yet.
 
The thing I'm still concerned that not a lot of people are looking into is the actual ejection of the fluid from the canister while the canister is at any orientation.
The only real way to accomplish this is to make the actual container size dynamic around the fluid, and if anyone has any ideas on this, it would be a great asset to the project. I've already elaborated on my GPM3 concept but I don't know if I've put it totally in depth yet.


That is a really good point. I've been curious about that. The first prototype would most likely be a gravity feed with pressure to Accelerate it. As you mentioned though, if it is upside down, it won't fire. We could add a piston to the pressure vessel though. The piston would then squeeze the fluid out. It would be pretty easy to make. We just need a slightly smaller PVc pipe with o rings on it to make it air tight. I can draw up a schematic. Do you think that could work?
 

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