World Webbing formula

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I failed. I am willing to try again, but not this design, because the budget factor. Reverting to "Hot Glue."
 
So guys, any thoughts on the formula that (no offense) don't have anything to do with hot glue? Any questions or new theories? We might want to close this forum and just work on the other one.
 
Well, does your formula on your website still work? The one you explained a page or two back?
 
Well, I'm ready to buy de dry ice and probably the magnesium, but i have one question, do we really need a glass container for the dry ice? From what I can tell in the link White Whidow posted a few pages back, the reaction it's made in the container, but in the youtube videos its made without one, and what we need it's the stuff that it's left in the center of the dry ice right?
 
To Ultimate Spider: It should. I'm thinking about maybe adding a catalyst to the formula to speed up the rate at which cyanoacrylate hardens but depending on the ratios, that could be problematic.

To Tardisdoo: I wouldn't just yet. First off, let me say that magnesium burning is supposedly one of the hottest flames that can be made at home, second only to thermite. They had a scientific lab with them, an instructor, and a fire extinguisher on hand. I wouldn't try it just yet until You've read through a couple lab reports on that experiment.

To Symbiote man: Tally ho!
 
White_widow said:
To Tardisdoo: I wouldn't just yet. First off, let me say that magnesium burning is supposedly one of the hottest flames that can be made at home, second only to thermite. They had a scientific lab with them, an instructor, and a fire extinguisher on hand. I wouldn't try it just yet until You've read through a couple lab reports on that experiment.
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I know the risks, I looked trough several links, I know it's dangerous, but my uncle is a chemistry teacher and he's gonna help me, or at least guide me. I said i was ready but not that ready, I have to buy everything first :oldrazz: I need a blowtorch too. I'll do it by the end of september I guess, just to have more time to prepare everything, and have better security measures.

I can give you a few links so you can see the risk and the procedure:
http://www.chem.umn.edu/services/lecturedemo/info/Magnesium_and_dry_ice.html
http://www.ilpi.com/genchem/demo/co2mg/

And of course you can search more in Google or some videos in youtube.

Another thing i´ve seen it´s that you can make the PVA much easier, but what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LD3GExjB1s (watch it in mute unless you love the ghostbusters theme)
 
Does everyone have a cool family member with scientific skills? Anyway, That's interesting. That's cool, but don't rush. It's better to be safe then sorry after all.

Thanks for the links. I appreciate it.

For the PVA, I thought it was cool. However, it's much cheaper to buy than make.
 
I wont be doing much on this project for a while, I just broke my collar bone.
 
No, I was playing soccer and i stole the ball from one of the guys then he tripped me. It was a cheap shot.
 
spidey44 said:
No, I was playing soccer and i stole the ball from one of the guys then he tripped me. It was a cheap shot.
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Ahh. I was joking about the web line thing. But damn that suck. Your collar bone? You must have fell hard.
 
yeah I fell in an awkward position, I think I got a slight concussion from it.
 
Nope. Well, something I haven't tested. My goal is a strong, safe, inexpensive fluid. Kinda hard to do. But I theorize that removing the water and adding superglue to flubber will make it stronger.
Do you think Spiderman from the reboot will meet the Avengers? On a slightly different note, I am making a hulk costume for the Avengers movie that will be 8' tall. If you haven't guessed, I LOVE making costumes! I've done it for YEARS.
 
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Nope. Well, something I haven't tested. My goal is a strong, safe, inexpensive fluid. Kinda hard to do. But I theorize that removing the water and adding superglue to flubber will make it stronger.
Do you think Spiderman from the reboot will meet the Avengers? On a slightly different note, I am making a hulk costume for the Avengers movie that will be 8' tall. If you haven't guessed, I LOVE making costumes! I've done it for YEARS.
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Honestly, I never would've guessed. :wow: But i really doubt that about spidey meeting the avengers.
 
Hey guys. Just checking back in, and I have new news on possible webbing ideas.

So for me, I'm relying heavily on graphene's strength to compensate from the natural weakness that occurs from expansion. With Graphene being 250x stronger than steel and the foam weakening the formula significantly, I figure it will equal out when it dries.

But other than me, I'm going to guess that most of you don't want to be chemical engineers. It takes at least 4 years of expensive schooling, if not more if you don't work really heavily at it to get graphene, an experimental material that still has lots of prodding before it is fully understood.

That sort of debunks that theory, if peter couldn't get magnesium or couldn't get it to work, assuming my theory is wrong.

Now I noticed something interesting after some research. Plants may be the answer. I just found a couple articles that suggest that cellulose maybe stronger than steel when chemically altered. Not only that, but tulips have chemicals that make them very hard to destroy.

You know what else contains cellulose? Crackers. Some people have suggested that when peter said crackers and milk, he was referring to the web formula. It might be worth looking into. Cellulose is biodegradable, translucent, and stronger than steel when manipulated on a micro-level. Milk contains proteins that create an established plastic.

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There are several articles that suggest that this is true. I won't post one of them, because it is extracted from cellulose from an illegal plant to make a car composite. If you care about it, type "cellulose stronger than steel" in google.

http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/news/nrc/2011/02/01/nano-biovision.html

it only takes one oxidizer to make the nano material.

This doesn't contain anything about the adhesive, but I thought you guys might like that. Technically, If that process was easy to do, and that oxidizer is cheap, then you can make these out of saltines for really cheap.


P.S.: I know some of you like that 90's cartoon. Someone showed me a video that explains the web shooters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiIefH9ITEg&feature=player_detailpage#t=280s
 
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So just bouncing ideas off of you guys here:

The current formula is:

sodium lauryl sulfate
cyanoacrylate
polyvinyl acetate
graphene
magnesium oxide
acetone

Now if anyone has ever heard the phrase "we are only as strong as our weakest link," that is true for us. Our weakest link just happens to be polyvinyl acetate. It's good, and with great dispersment, it becomes as strong as steel, and hopefully makes our formula so.

However, what if something doesn't take?

The biggest problem with this formula is that cyanoacrylate may or may not attatch to the formula. This can weaken or strengthen the bond.

Not only that but with water (for the acetate) , it becomes necessary to add a catalyst, because it takes a while for the acetone to clear. Adding a catalyst to an already extensive list of ingredients will raise the price and rationing, which is already hard to do without knowing how these ingredients will combine, will become harder.

So why not replace polyvinyl acetate with the nano-cellulose?

This stuff is supposedly already stronger than steel or very strong. Our goal is to match steel, which may or may not happen with the polyvinyl acetate.

Now if you remember, those of you who have been with this for a while (BTW I started this as a hobby a year ago, almost to the day.) One of the older suggestions was a polymer using cellulose acetate. It wouldn't be strong enough and that it would be flammable. The main issue though is whether or not it would bond with the borax. Now that Cyanoacrylate and graphene are the crosslinkers, and I know for a FACT that cyanoacrylate will bond to cellulose, then there shouldn't be any problem.
Even with flammability, the magnesium oxide is flame ******ant.

One final awesome link in the chain. Other than the fact it is biodegrable, cellulose has one more property that is shared with polyvinyl acetate. The solvent for this particular type of cellulose is water, and it is uniformly dispersed. That means that just like graphene and magnesium oxide, it is completely dissolved in water. We don't need to worry about using a sonicator, we just need to put it in water.

Just a thought, there's still the problem with rationing and the cyanoacrylate doing too much damage to the cellulose, but it gives us much more assurity.
 
I meant polyvinyl alcohol, instead of acetate. They are too similar.
 
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