The Dark Knight Well....this is intresting? (Joker news)

[The Fallen]

^ Ah Presilla, Queen of the Desert. Never seen it though. That was Hugo's break out movie in Australia.

 

[El Payaso]

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[DeFett]

Double post

 

[DeFett]

Havey Dent & The Joker
For people you don't know that is Guy Pearce on the left.

 

[DeFett]

edit - d'oh stuffed up sorry

 

[Ronny Shade]

yeah I saw a peice of that movie.



weird.

 

[trustyside-kick]

disturbing...

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Have Batman showing off his detective skills to find this guy, while trying to deal with another problem (the Black Mask/Maroni/Penguin arms deal). Eventually, Joker's grand plan is revealed and all hell breaks loose.

Then we can bring him back for the third film, where Two-Face tries to get revenge on Joker for what he did to his face. Instead of having Joker a large villain in one movie, then getting rid of him for good (like B'89). Keep him as a constant nuisance. In the comic books, even when there are other main villains at work "Holiday, Hush, etc", Joker is still there, causing trouble for Batman.

Exactly. 30 minutes of screen time for Mistah J would be about right for the second film; thats twice as much as Crane got in BB. I take "small" and "mysterious" to mean that his motivations and origin are a mystery, and that small is in the sense that he does not dominate the whole movie. We'll see a good amount of him, but each time its for a reason and he'll be in a scene with Bats or Maroni. It won't be like B89 where you get lots of scenes just showing what hes up to on his own.

The second movie should have Batman/Gordon/Dent dealing with the Maroni/Sionis/Cobblepot plot, while Joker operates in the background so to speak, not directly connected to the main plot but a presence felt throughout the entire film. He should be the "anti-Batman". Batman shows up to restore order seemingly out of nowhere, and The Joker should just pop up out of nowhere to cause chaos. For both sides, Batman/Gordon/Dent AND Maroni/Sionis/Cobblepot.

Then in the third film after Dent becomes Two-Face he could launch a war of his own against the underworld of Gotham, especially The Joker who he'll see as the personification of the element that helped drive him into being Two-Face and which he obviously hates. Meanwhile Joker is still doing his own thing, and maybe do a big finish at the end with Batman, The Joker, and Two-Face perhaps where Bats has to stop Two-Face from killing The Joker(which is an interesting dilemma for Batman).

 

[Ronny Shade]

I honestly don't think they're going to have Maroni in this movie.

If they want a mob boss it will probably be Cobblepot or Black Mask.


But I could be wrong.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

The rumors have indicated a plot with Maroni where he teams up with Black Mask/Sionis in an arms deal with Cobblepot. Which is a cool plot imo I hope they use it.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Who cares if people think he is gay? I think that would make him to be even more creepy. I mean, he has been hinted at as being a homosexual numerous times in the comics. That or he has a REALLY HUGE man-crush on Batman.

I was with you until you said this. Just no.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

I was with you until you said this. Just no.

Ever read Batman: DKR ? I'm not saying we need to actually make him gay, but a subtle infactuation with Batman would do the trick nicely.

 

[The Guard]

You've predicted it, but what do you think of Jude Law as a candidate?

I've loved it since I saw ROAD TO PERDITION. You want a more realistic, less zany, but still sinister and darkly comedic Joker? Look no further than Law. It helps that he's a big comic book fan.

I'm not too familiar with the comics of that particular era, but I feel The Joker in B89, while an adequate rendition, didn't capture the core of the character at all. For starters, Burton didn't capitalize on The Joker's obsession with Batman.

First, it was their first encounter. And secondly, I saw a film where the Joker called the Batman out for a mano-e-mano fight. I'd consider that obsession.

Instead, we got the reverse, a Batman that has a greater obssesion with The Joker.

Uh...no.

And while Burton more or less nailed the manic nature and attitude of The Joker, he didn't showcase the cunning and sinister intentions behind the maniacal psychopath.

Are you sure?

Accordingly, I hope that the sequel to BB will strive to bring the best of both worlds and theerfore give us a faithful interpretation of The Joker.

The way BATMAN BEGINS gave us a faithful rendition of Ra's Al Ghul?

I hope you're right. But what do you make of this news that The Joker has a "small" part?

Honestly? I take it as "Jett doesn't have a clue what's going on with the story right now and neither do most people", because they're keeping a very tight lid on things. I imagine he'll have a smaller part than Nicholson's Joker. Probably about Ra's Al Ghul sized.

Really? The performance, along with the actual film itself, is one of the most revered by fans. I know I loved it.

The performance, but the actual usage of him is awful. He's just thrown in there because WB said he had to be in the film. And then they just go "OH! Let's arbitrarily connect him to this!" Always felt incredibly forced to me. And derivative of BATMAN.

Although the The Joker himself wasn't veiled in mystery like in ROTJ, his past and connection to the Beaumont conspiracy was certainly presented as a mystery; his involvement with the whole story was a uncertain until the end.

It wasn't much of a mystery. It was pretty damn obvious what the connection was everytime they dropped a "clue".

I just hope everything turns out ok. There's a lot of room to go wrong with The Joker.

There was a lot of room to go wrong with Batman, Ra's Al Ghul, etc, in BATMAN BEGINS. Since most of you don't see how they did those characters as "wrong", I doubt you'll be disappointed in The Joker they present.

And the makeup thing is more than just makeup. Take into account the notion of The Joker as a performer, and think about his psyche.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Ever read Batman: DKR ? I'm not saying we need to actually make him gay, but a subtle infactuation with Batman would do the trick nicely.

No, but trust me when I say I know all about it.

I don't want any homosexual implication of any kind between The Batman and The Joker. It's not what their relation to each other is based on. Accordingly, I don't want him using any lip-stick, dye, or make-up to suggest any type of homosexuality. And quite simply, it just isn't The Joker. It would be too much of a change, and it would be a very quick way for the sequel to commit suicide and bomb at the box-office; these changes would certainly alienate the viewer and diminish any family and general audiences the film needs to acheive in order to have a good run in theaters. Besides, WB simply won't allow it.

And it strikes me as very odd that you actually want for there to be a "subtle" gay connection between the two.

 

[Ronny Shade]

First, it was their first encounter. And secondly, I saw a film where the Joker called the Batman out for a mano-e-mano fight. I'd consider that obsession.

The Joker is very obsessed with Batman. He wants his attention. That one of the big reasons why he keeps doing what he does.

Honestly? I take it as "Jett doesn't have a clue what's going on with the story right now and neither do most people", because they're keeping a very tight lid on things. I imagine he'll have a smaller part than Nicholson's Joker. Probably about Ra's Al Ghul sized.

That would be fine

The performance, but the actual usage of him is awful. He's just thrown in there because WB said he had to be in the film. And then they just go "OH! Let's arbitrarily connect him to this!" Always felt incredibly forced to me. And derivative of BATMAN.

I didn't think he was badly used at all.

What I really liked about that film, though, was even though he wasn't the main villain he stole the spotlight from Beaumont completely. That what the Joker does, steal the spotlight.

It wasn't much of a mystery. It was pretty damn obvious what the connection was everytime they dropped a "clue".

It was good enough. I wasn't surprised, but I didn't think it was too obvious.

There was a lot of room to go wrong with Batman, Ra's Al Ghul, etc, in BATMAN BEGINS. Since most of you don't see how they did those characters as "wrong", I doubt you'll be disappointed in The Joker they present.

All I want is a joker who:
a) thinks he's funny and laughs a lot
b) is evil
c) is scary
d) is flashy
e) is an attention ****e

And the makeup thing is more than just makeup. Take into account the notion of The Joker as a performer, and think about his psyche.

The Joker must be a performer. It's very much a part of what make him the Joker.

 

[Ronny Shade]

No, but trust me when I say I know all about it.

I don't want any homosexual implication of any kind between The Batman and The Joker. It's not what their relation to each other is based on. Accordingly, I don't want him using any lip-stick, dye, or make-up to suggest any type of homosexuality. And quite simply, it just isn't The Joker. It would be too much of a change, and it would be a very quick way for the sequel to commit suicide and bomb at the box-office; these changes would certainly alienate the viewer and diminish any family and general audiences the film needs to acheive in order to have a good run in theaters. Besides, WB simply won't allow it.

And it strikes me as very odd that you actually want for there to be a "subtle" gay connection between the two.

People can make subtle gay connections out of anything these days.

Since we've gotten reports that say the Joker is not going to naturally have red lips, I think him wearing lipstick is fine. I think him wearing make-up is fine. He's a showman, a clown, he'll wear that stuff.

 

[ragdus]

Yeah, when buffalo bill was throwing on makeup in silence of the lambs, it was creepy as hell. if we can just avoid having him tuck his unit up his crack and dance in front of a mirror, it'd probably work without being too gay.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

People can make subtle gay connections out of anything these days.

Since we've gotten reports that say the Joker is not going to naturally have red lips, I think him wearing lipstick is fine. I think him wearing make-up is fine. He's a showman, a clown, he'll wear that stuff.

Na. No lipstick or make-up, please.

Yeah, when buffalo bill was throwing on maeup in silence of the lambs, it was creepy as hell. if we can just avoid having him tuck his unit up his crack and dance in front of a mirror, it'd probably work without being too gay.

It was creepy, but in a very different kind of way (more distrurbing in a sexual way.) It's not the kind of vibe I would like to receive from The Joker.

 

[DeFett]

"IT PUTS THE LOTION ON IT'S SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN"

 

[Dark Knight]

"IT PUTS THE LOTION ON IT'S SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN"

LOL!

 

[GoldGoblin]

Joker's role being small is cool,that means we get the Joker plus a new villain to take on the spot light as main villain,Black Mask.Maybe with the Joker having a small role means that he could be a villain that also pops up in BB3 as well.

Having the Joker have as much screen time in BB2 as the Scarecrow did in the first movie,and then have the Joker have that same amount of screen time for BB3 would be quite good.

 

[ultimatefan]

By realistic i meant in temrs of being a full blown Phsyco who didn't deal in half mesures and sometiems ppl just flip,like kids that are bullied and then shoot up schools

Yeah, but there´s a difference between someone who goes angry and desperate and does a shootout and a full-blown sadistic serial killer. It´s not the same thing.

 

[ragdus]

People who just flip out for the most part don't remain flipped out. When one incident makes you snap, you usually snap for a very brief amount of time. There's much more deep seeded stuff that makes a guy go gonzo for years and years.

 

[wikum]

A few scenes I can imagine The Joker being involved in:

A few very small teaser scenes where you don't see his face.

Ringing up Harvey Dent on a radio phone in show and telling him how he is going to destroy Gotham.

Some sort of robbery or murder to introduce the character. The one I like the most involves Black Mask and Bruce Wayne in a bank.

Gassing Maroni's bouncers and questioning him at gunpoint (TLH). Maybe even using Maroni for some henchmen for one of his schemes.

Then the big face off between Bats and Joker. Possibly in the theatre that Bruce's parents got shot outside of.

Then one final scene of him starting to go completly insane in Arkham, awaiting trial.
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I think that could all be fitted into 30 mins of the film and still have enough of Joker for everyone to be happy about.

He has to be slightly mysterious. The guy can't just walk the street looking like he does in broad daylight. Even B89 used facepaint. The one scene where Joker wasn't using facepaint during the day had mime's with clownfaces.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

GrayGhost~

I'm not referring to Batman having a homosexual fixation on the Joker, but a one sided affair with Joker being completely and erotically obsessed with Batman, is EXTREMELY creepy. When he calls him darling, and stuff like that? It's really creepy. Read a classic Batman graphic novel with the two facing off, it is quite disturbing how Joker looks upon Batman.