The Dark Knight Well....this is intresting? (Joker news)

[Mr. Socko]

When?!?!?!

 

[Whack Arnolds]

When?!?!?!

Uhhh, Batman Returns STARTED the Naked Men Statue trend... see the Gotham Square where they are naked pulling HUGE levers.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Uhhh, Batman Returns STARTED the Naked Men Statue trend... see the Gotham Square where they are naked pulling HUGE levers.

Oh, so Shoemaker just made them giant and put them on every street corner

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Oh, so Shoemaker just made them giant and put them on every street corner

Well they're giant in Batman Returns as well, Shumacher just decided to replicate that look and then add neon lights.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Well they're giant in Batman Returns as well, Shumacher just decided to replicate that look and then add neon lights.

And put them on every possible street corner in Batman & Robin

 

[Whack Arnolds]

And put them on every possible street corner in Batman & Robin

Yeah, lol. It was all downhill after B89...

 

[Mr. Socko]

I've heard some pretty bad ideas. Like those fools saying The Joker should be a normal white guy who's just crazy. No pale face, no red lips, no green hair. Just a recreation of Hannibal Lector. Lets call him Dr. Zector.

Top candidate: Crispin Glover

 

[Mr. Socko]

I don't know. For some reason he likes dude??? His utility belt maybe? I don't know? Maybe cause he is the only one who stops him or can stop him, and he's semi-responsible for the Joker being and they represent perfect ying to yang.

Now I like that idea, but I think the Joker should be just fixated with him, I'll leave the homo part out.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Haha, you don't want your fav. character to be looked at like that, heh?

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

[Katsuro]

Has anyone here read The Long Halloween. There's a scene where Joker's flaying a plane and Batman is haning on trying to stop him.

"Quick question, When the clock strikes twelve, do I get a little kiss?"

Just wanted to point that out.

 

[C. Lee]

Now I like that idea, but I think the Joker should be just fixated with him, I'll leave the homo part out.

This is a warning to you....you can discuss people'e or characters' sexual proclivity without resorting to rude crude comments. Do not get into gay bashing....talk civily.

 

[CConn]

There's always been at least a sexual-like attraction with Joker to Batman. I can show you panels right now that have Joker calling Batman "cupcake" and such. Honestly, I hardly think it's because the Joker is "gay," but is due to deeper, psychological tramas, which we all the Joker has gads of.

Socko is just being homophobic, and frankly, is showing a great lack of understanding of the character itself.

Personally, no, I wouldn't like to see any overly sexual Joker/Batman relationship - simply because, I dunno, it would, IMO, make the film a bit less innocent - but the stuff they normally do (pet names, and soforth) would be perfectly fine.

 

[zer00]

There's always been at least a sexual-like attraction with Joker to Batman. I can show you panels right now that have Joker calling Batman "cupcake" and such. Honestly, I hardly think it's because the Joker is "gay," but is due to deeper, psychological tramas, which we all the Joker has gads of.

Socko is just being homophobic, and frankly, is showing a great lack of understanding of the character itself.

Personally, no, I wouldn't like to see any overly sexual Joker/Batman relationship - simply because, I dunno, it would, IMO, make the film a bit less innocent - but the stuff they normally do (pet names, and soforth) would be perfectly fine.

...exactly. **** you for stealing my ideas

 

[Whack Arnolds]

There's always been at least a sexual-like attraction with Joker to Batman. I can show you panels right now that have Joker calling Batman "cupcake" and such. Honestly, I hardly think it's because the Joker is "gay," but is due to deeper, psychological tramas, which we all the Joker has gads of.

Socko is just being homophobic, and frankly, is showing a great lack of understanding of the character itself.

Personally, no, I wouldn't like to see any overly sexual Joker/Batman relationship - simply because, I dunno, it would, IMO, make the film a bit less innocent - but the stuff they normally do (pet names, and soforth) would be perfectly fine.

That's what I meant. Perfect, Cconn.

 

[kytrigger]

Has anyone here read The Long Halloween. There's a scene where Joker's flaying a plane and Batman is haning on trying to stop him.

"Quick question, When the clock strikes twelve, do I get a little kiss?"

Just wanted to point that out.

But when he says that (or anything else like calling Batman cupcake), do you actually believe that he wants a kiss from Batman? I never do. I feel that he says this because it fits the theme of a childhood fairy tale that everyone knows and that is it. IMO this is the same reason that he is with Harley, because it fits some sort of pre-conceived notion that everyone (or almost everyone) shares. He doesn't "date" Harley because he likes her and is attracted to her, he does it because certain parts of him want to live that perfect 50's lifestyle. I have said it earlier, but I honestly believes that his interpretation of life would be like watching Leave It To Beaver mixed with S&M.

Yes, he has said many things like "cupcake" and the previously mentioned "kiss at midnight", but if he doesn't actually want a kiss, then he really isn't homosexual. The thing I have a problem with by having him have a "homosexual fascination" with Batman is that while he has shown tendencies, those tendencies have (to me at least) never shown that he is actually sexually attracted to Batman. He says them just because, not because he actually wants Batman in a sexual way. Since he doesn't want Batman in a sexual way, he is technically not homosexual. It is very much like how rape is not a sex crime, it is a crime of violence. Generally, a rapist does not attack their victim because they are just really attracted to them, they do it out of a necessity to feel in control. I feel that the Joker is the same way. He doesn't want to have sex with Batman, he just wants his attention and to control him.

P.S. I think this is what some are getting at when they say "homosexual attraction", but I am not sure because I am pretty drunk right now.

 

[The Guard]

Uhh, Ra's Al Ghul was very much in essence a faithful rendition of the character of Ra's Al Ghul from the comics.

Oh, we're going to play that game. In essence, Mr. Freeze was in many ways a very much a faithful rendition of the Mr. Freeze from the comics (sadly). I tend to just ask that their essences show up onscreen, so I wasn't too disappointed in Ra's Al Ghul's portrayal. But I'm talking about whether the major aspects of the character are touched upon. So did anyone see Ra's Al Ghul's Lazarus Pit? Anyone see him seeking to destroy the entire human race because of the state of the planet? Anyone see Talia, or see any mention of him wanting Bruce Wayne to be his heir and bear children to continue his lineage. "It should be you standing by my side, saving the world" is not remotely the same thing as "Be my heir". Anyone see a massive worldwide organization behind him, not just the League of Shadows/Assassins? Anyone see him utter the word "Detective"? Anyone ever remember Ra's pretending to be someone named Ducard in the comics? Or pretending to be anyone?

The Joker may in fact be asexual. But since what he does is what gets him off, that is his sexual outlet. Since Batman is involved in this, I'd say there's definitely some kind of attraction by The Joker to Batman, but I don't know that I'd call it overtly sexual or homosexual. It matters not, anyway. If you limit these characters with such terms, you really do them a disservice.

 

[kytrigger]

Oh, we're going to play that game. In essence, Mr. Freeze was in many ways a very much a faithful rendition of the Mr. Freeze from the comics (sadly). I tend to just ask that their essences show up onscreen, so I wasn't too disappointed in Ra's Al Ghul's portrayal. But I'm talking about whether the major aspects of the character are touched upon. So did anyone see Ra's Al Ghul's Lazarus Pit? Anyone see him seeking to destroy the entire human race because of the state of the planet? Anyone see Talia, or see any mention of him wanting Bruce Wayne to be his heir and bear children to continue his lineage. "It should be you standing by my side, saving the world" is not remotely the same thing as "Be my heir". Anyone see a massive worldwide organization behind him, not just the League of Shadows/Assassins? Anyone see him utter the word "Detective"? Anyone ever remember Ra's pretending to be someone named Ducard in the comics? Or pretending to be anyone?

Well, I would say that the League of Shadows was a huge operation since they started the plague, Gotham's financial crisis, burned London etc. but the rest are good points.

The Joker may in fact be asexual. But since what he does is what gets him off, that is his sexual outlet. Since Batman is involved in this, I'd say there's definitely some kind of attraction by The Joker to Batman, but I don't know that I'd call it overtly sexual or homosexual. It matters not, anyway. If you limit these characters with such terms, you really do them a disservice.

What he does is what gets him off, but generally speaking, that doesn't always classify people as their sexual preference. There are drug addicts that can only experience happiness or "get off" when they are on drugs, but we don't call them "cokesexuals" or "heroinsexuals". I think the "sexual" term is really only applied , by society at least, when referring to other people (or in some cases animals).

 

[GoldGoblin]

So the Joker won't be the main villain.

 

[trustyside-kick]

So the Joker won't be the main villain.

Ya. Which is not as bad as people are saying it will be.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

How would it have been if at the end of BEGINS, there had been no Joker hint, then in this there was a person pulling the strings etc and like macphisto said Bam the big reveal at the end. If Nolan and co could have kept the whole Mr J thing under wraps and you sat there watching a film in which you were waiting for say...Harvey to become two face and them up pops Mr J how mind f*****g would that have been? I would have loved that...

That would've been a sweet move. I like the idea of having Joker as a small role, and very mysterious, it'd definately be a new take and interesting to see how they work with it.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

the joker a small role,

he should be the main villan, quarter of the film in shadow then bring him on full sadistic style, but if he aint the main villain who is?

i really dont want just some crime boss.

awwwwww i want the joker,

I WANT THE JOKER

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Oh, we're going to play that game. In essence, Mr. Freeze was in many ways a very much a faithful rendition of the Mr. Freeze from the comics (sadly).

That he was.

I tend to just ask that their essences show up onscreen

It did.

But I'm talking about whether the major aspects of the character are touched upon.

They were.

So did anyone see Ra's Al Ghul's Lazarus Pit?

Is "seeing" the lazarus pit what makes him faithful, or how the character acts? No I didn't see the "Lazarus Pit", but it was severely hinted at that he might be immortal. And thats the reason FOR the "Lazarus Pit".

Anyone see him seeking to destroy the entire human race because of the state of the planet?

Yes, yes we did. But they only alter the intiation of the motive of his actions being from the state of the planet through pollution, but the desecration of the planet THROUGH CRIME. So be eradicating crime, and the people who take part in it, he is trying to re-store civilization and the world to 'balance'.

Anyone see Talia

Is Talia what makes up the true character of "Ra's Al Ghul"? We didn't see Joker as a nameless "red hood" in Batman 1989, but you proclaim that rendition of the Joker to be about as faithful as it comes. This is being a little hypocritical is not? Just because you aren't getting every exact detail from the character of the comics, does not mean that the character on screen isn't an accurate representation from the source material. Because Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins, was very much so.

or see any mention of him wanting Bruce Wayne to be his heir and bear children to continue his lineage.

No, but he was asking him to just be his heir. " You were my greatest student, It should be you standing by my side saving the world..." That is in certain words asking him and offering the chance for Ra's to in a way be his surrogate father, and as you read into it beyond that (which was blatantly obvious)... it means Bruce would have to carry a lineage and be the eventual leader of the League of Shadows. Duh. Oh, and that piece of dialogue also goes to accurately reflect the Ra's from the comics, where he believe full heartedly that what he is doing is the right thing, and isn't actually trying to be malicious or evil.

Anyone see him utter the word "Detective"?

What does calling him detective have to do with ANYTHING? It would be kind of pointless, and very weird to see a man who KNOWS the name of the person he is talking to, but calls him 'detective'??? And once again, is the fact that he doesn't call him detective, actually straying from who and what the character is? No... he simply just doesn't clal him detective, cause its mad corny. Especially if he continued to call him that.

Anyone ever remember Ra's pretending to be someone named Ducard in the comics? Or pretending to be anyone?

No, that wasn't in the comics at all. That was a twist, that was meant for the movie canon. Ducard was as accurate as they come. He starts off training Bruce in various methodologies...and Bruce eventually comes to know of the true manner and intenions of Ducard, and finds out he is just as evil as the people he is fighting against. In this case, in the end we find out he is Ra's Al Ghul. The fact that the actual Ra's Al Ghul goes by a seperate identity, to keep his secret safe, is realistic and adds an intriguing aspect to the character not found in the comics. It actually ADDS something to make it better.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

What you were talking about Guard, are major side antics...not the true heart and meat of the character.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well done, Whack Arnolds, those are the things I'd have said to The Guard on those points.

The thing is, The Guard is going to respond just as thoroughly. Good luck!

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Well done, Whack Arnolds, those are the things I'd have said to The Guard on those points.

The thing is, The Guard is going to respond just as thoroughly. Good luck!

I know this, lol. Keyser...it's me, Nuk Nukk. Me and Guard have gone at it many times, that's my boy.