The Dark Knight What are your biggest Dark Knight Fears?

[7Hells]

You will live a very lonely life if you consider that a turn off Chrisbale.
Or end up in prison...

 

[Keyser Sushi]

You will live a very lonely life if you consider that a turn off Chrisbale.
Or end up in prison...

LOL!!!

Yeah what the hell, CBB? Women menstruate. It's not worth getting turned off about because it's an unavoidable fact of life.

Besides, man, take my word for this -- women who don't talk about that stuff are repressed and usually wind up hurting you because they keep their whole lives to themselves.

I like women who are honest enough to say the hell with it and talk about these things. I mean are we guys the only ones who are allowed to joke about bodily functions? I don't think so.

Especially when women have to live with the mother of all bodily functions...

EDIT: 7Hells... when you say "thanks for all the fish," please tell me that is a reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books and not the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy film... because if you're into those books... you are totally my new best friend.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't mean any harm but as big as a Star Wars fan I am, could we please get back to the topic which isTMAN!

No, the topic of this thread blows.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I have 2 fears. One is the Joker wearing a mask instead of makeup and the other one is the story being so character-driven to the point that it has no action and becomes a boring mess.

See what I mean? Who wants to read about your pointless, irrational fears. You might also fear that you'll wake up tomorrow with an old banana where your gear belongs, but you have the same amount of control over that situation: none.

So, grab a Coke and a smile and let's talk about something worthwhile. Like gender issues, or the effect of Star Wars on modern cinema, or why the sky appears blue, except in LA.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Also, the prequel trilogy sucked because it failed to make us care about Anakin. He was a whiny brat, and was far too easily fooled by the emporer and came off as an idiot. Now when i go back and watch ROTJ i'm just like "why are you worried so much about saving your father? he wasn't that great a guy to begin with". I dunno, maybe we're supposed to believe he did a lot of good, heroic things in between the films, from the way him and Obi-wan talk. Just wish they would've shown some of it.

Okay Kats... here's the thing. Think waaay back to the OT. Who else do we know who was a whiney brat? I think his name began with an L... something Biblical... errrh... Luke? Luke Skywalker?

Name ring any bells? Yah, he was a whiney brat, too. Like father, like son. Now when you think about it... Luke was EXACTLY like his Dad... which was the point of the cycle... Anakin was a whiney brat, Luke was a whiney brat. But they made different choices. Anakin was unable to let go of his mother, unable to let go of Padme. Luke let go of his aunt and uncle but had a harder time letting go of his friends... Anakin rushed in to save his mother and failed... Luke rushed in to save his aunt and uncle and failed... Anakin lost a mentor... Luke lost a mentor... Anakin rushed to face Dooku, and got his arm cut off... Luke rushed to face Vader, got his hand cut off... Anakin was afraid of losing his girl so he went in search of greater power in order to save her, and turned against his mentor. Luke was afraid of losing his friends so he ignored Yoda and Ben's warnings and went off to save them...

Anakin ultimately destroyed himself trying to save a woman he was destined to kill... Luke ultimately let go of the woman he loved (his sister...how badly would that have ruined his mind?) and embraced his destiny.

Anakin struck out in anger and became a monster... Luke put down the lightsaber and put himself at his father's mercy, knowing full well that he might be killed.

The point is that the two of them took similar paths and came out differently.

However, I agree with you that Anakin wasn't shown as a hero enough of the time. If I had written "Attack of the Clones" I would have had assassins trying to kill Padme throughout the movie and she and Anakin fighting side-by-side for survival almost the entire time. It wouldn't have been as romantic in some ways, but their relationship would have developed under those circumstances as Han and Leia's did, and I think it would have played better.

Actually I cared about Anakin, however I think it was less about his actual character and more about his relationships with others.

Which is fine, because ultimately it his relationships with others that define him.

Also, it is very good to see Keyser back and in full form. t:

It is very good to be back, Norm. Very good indeed.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You will live a very lonely life if you consider that a turn off Chrisbale.
Or end up in prison...

Well Darlin', I've already lived a lonely life......so not a big deal to me.

End up in prison....???

What the ****......jesus, I'm sorry if bleeding from there is a turn of to me. I'm sorry......but throwing me in prison seems harsh. That's just cold sweet heart.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I think she's suggesting that somebody who is offended by the mention of menstruation is repressed enough to be a closet psychopath... but I could be mistaken.

 

[Stupify_me]

Nothing wrong with debating, not arguing that. It just read like I hit a nerve there and all of a sudden you went off on me. Hence me laughing.


Do you think I'm that ignorant?

The OT are considered great films, why do I say this? Because even to this day, those films are motion picture classics. Look at the other forums, when SW is discussed, OT is always defended with good debates. Add to the fact that everyone still loves the OT, even as adults, and I'd say it's had a long-lasting effect on people, which wouldn't be the case if it was crap. Sh1t I'm pretty sure the AFI included 2 of the SW films into their top 100 films of American cinema. That's quite an honor for something only fanboys supposedly think is good. "Kiddie-crap" doesn't last in cinema. Period.


We're free to discuss this in the misc. films forum. As I said earlier, I don't wanna derail this thread of its original purpose.


George Lucas definitely raped you as a kid. I just see no reason for all these pointless add-ons of insults, unless he did something terrible to you. I mean goddamn all I said was you could've used a better example. God knows what the hell set your ass off.

Me personally I always thought Star Wars sucked. The movies bored me they were simply special effects I thought the story was just stupid. That's just me though.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Me personally I always thought Star Wars sucked. The movies bored me they were simply special effects I thought the story was just stupid. That's just me though.

They're not well-written, but the story is anything but stupid.

I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who thinks Star Wars is stupid.

 

[Stupify_me]

No, the topic of this thread blows.

Ouch umm screw you lol JK I thought it was decent but and it wasn't bad for the first few pages but it started to die after awhile. As much as I hate star wars I have enjoyed watching you own every one.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Ouch umm screw you lol JK I thought it was decent but and it wasn't bad for the first few pages but it started to die after awhile. As much as I hate star wars I have enjoyed watching you own every one.

LOL thanks... it's what I do.

 

[Stupify_me]

They're not well-written, but the story is anything but stupid.

I seriously question the intelligence of anyone who thinks Star Wars is stupid.

Umm ok good for you.

I wasn't insulting you in any way so why bother with being like that. I enjoyed your posts untill you started trying to insult me. Nothing about star wars attracts me the story bores the hell out of me. It seems like just another cheap action flick to me and always has. I am sorry if I insulted something you love but that is no reason to insult my intelligence.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Umm ok good for you.

I wasn't insulting you in any way so why bother with being like that. I enjoyed your posts untill you started trying to insult me. Nothing about star wars attracts me the story bores the hell out of me. It seems like just another cheap action flick to me and always has. I am sorry if I insulted something you love but that is no reason to insult my intelligence.

This from the guy who enjoyed watching me own everybody. You enjoy when it's anybody but you. Look I'm not singling you out, I'm pretty much an equal-opportunity type of person.

But I also didn't insult you. I didn't call you stupid. I just said that I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks Star Wars is stupid. There's a very intelligent story there. It is not written very well... it's poorly-written but it's intelligent... like pretty much any textbook ever.

You don't have to like it, as I've said I don't think they're particularly great movies in many respects. But they're anything but stupid. You're free to dislike the movies, as long as you dislike them for the right reasons.

 

[Stupify_me]

This from the guy who enjoyed watching me own everybody. You enjoy when it's anybody but you. Look I'm not singling you out, I'm pretty much an equal-opportunity type of person.

But I also didn't insult you. I didn't call you stupid. I just said that I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks Star Wars is stupid. There's a very intelligent story there. It is not written very well... it's poorly-written but it's intelligent... like pretty much any textbook ever.

You don't have to like it, as I've said I don't think they're particularly great movies in many respects. But they're anything but stupid. You're free to dislike the movies, as long as you dislike them for the right reasons.

No I enjoy you owning some one when you don't try to insult them. OH and yes that is an insult me simply not agreeing with you on something is no reason to question my intelligence unless I disagree with you after you say the earth is round.


Please tell me what is so intelligent about star wars. The story is in no way complex it is fairly simple I just fail to see what is so intellegent about it. I am willing to admit that it was special for it's time period and it was very neat to see the SFX for the time period it was in and nice to have the SCI- FI genre get a big push but to be honest the story does not intrigue me it left me bored.

 

[7Hells]

End up in prison....???

yes it was an or situtation. If you go for girls that dont have a menstrual cycle you would end up in prison. Unless you go for the older type of non-menstruating women

 

[Keyser Sushi]

No I enjoy you owning some one when you don't try to insult them. OH and yes that is an insult me simply not agreeing with you on something is no reason to question my intelligence unless I disagree with you after you say the earth is round.

I think the matter of Star Wars not being stupid is as obvious as the spherical nature of the earth. So to me it is rather the same thing. But again, I don't consider that an insult. I didn't call you stupid. And even if I did, some people are. It's no more an insult to call a stupid person stupid than it is to call a fat person fat or a Volkswagen a Volkswagen. Things are what they are. People are what they are. The truth is the truth, and I'm a fan of it.

Please tell me what is so intelligent about star wars. The story is in no way complex it is fairly simple I just fail to see what is so intellegent about it. I am willing to admit that it was special for it's time period and it was very neat to see the SFX for the time period it was in and nice to have the SCI- FI genre get a big push but to be honest the story does not intrigue me it left me bored.

Well if the story doesn't interest you, that's cool, but that doesn't make it stupid. And it's true that Star Wars isn't particularly complex. But that also doesn't make it stupid. It's smart because it has a lot to say about human frailties. Anakin becomes evil out of a desire to do good. It's basically his good qualities that are used against him by his enemy to make him cross the line into evil deeds.

That isn't a very complex idea but it doesn't have to be. It's the truth of the human condition, and it's a story as old as the human race. Love creates tragedy, but love also inspires heroism. It's the same qualities that, when used against him, turn Anakin into a monster, that also end up saving his soul. He killed so many good people just to save the woman he loved... and in the end, he killed one very evil person in order to save his son. So love was both his weakness and his strength.

Is that an earth-shattering revelation? Hell no. But it is absolutely relevant to your life and mine. It's not stupid. Not even a little.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

yes it was an or situtation. If you go for girls that dont have a menstrual cycle you would end up in prison. Unless you go for the older type of non-menstruating women

Oooh... you slapped him harder than I thought. t:

CBB's a cool guy, though, even if he's being a dork about this.

 

[Stupify_me]

I think the matter of Star Wars not being stupid is as obvious as the spherical nature of the earth. So to me it is rather the same thing. But again, I don't consider that an insult. I didn't call you stupid. And even if I did, some people are. It's no more an insult to call a stupid person stupid than it is to call a fat person fat or a Volkswagen a Volkswagen. Things are what they are. People are what they are. The truth is the truth, and I'm a fan of it.



Well if the story doesn't interest you, that's cool, but that doesn't make it stupid. And it's true that Star Wars isn't particularly complex. But that also doesn't make it stupid. It's smart because it has a lot to say about human frailties. Anakin becomes evil out of a desire to do good. It's basically his good qualities that are used against him by his enemy to make him cross the line into evil deeds.

That isn't a very complex idea but it doesn't have to be. It's the truth of the human condition, and it's a story as old as the human race. Love creates tragedy, but love also inspires heroism. It's the same qualities that, when used against him, turn Anakin into a monster, that also end up saving his soul. He killed so many good people just to save the woman he loved... and in the end, he killed one very evil person in order to save his son. So love was both his weakness and his strength.

Is that an earth-shattering revelation? Hell no. But it is absolutely relevant to your life and mine. It's not stupid. Not even a little.

I love the truth my self and while you found a very round about way to call me stupid I am not stupid so please stay off that. If you wish to debate I have no problem with that.


The big Anakin story isn't really explored much in the first three star wars and I was under the impression that those are what we are discussing.

 

[7Hells]

Ya, I like chrisbale
I mean, he is chrisbale!!! How could I not

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I love the truth my self and while you found a very round about way to call me stupid I am not stupid so please stay off that. If you wish to debate I have no problem with that.

I see that basic sentence structure is lost on you.

I did not call you stupid. Never. I very plainly did say that I was suddenly wondering whether or not you were. If you're trying to prove that you're smart, you're doing a hell of a job. Keep it up.

The big Anakin story isn't really explored much in the first three star wars and I was under the impression that those are what we are discussing.

Hrmm. When you say "the first three" do you mean first as in the order they were made, or first as in the order they are numbered? To me, 1-3 are the first three, even if they are 20 years more recent.

And honestly, we were talking about all six Star Wars movies, since they make a whole.

Episodes 1-3 are exclusively about Anakin's story, so I'll assume you don't mean those. Episodes 4-6 are absolutely about Anakin, but they're about Anakin from Luke's perspective.

After all, right from the beginning of ANH, Luke is full of questions about his father. By ESB Luke learns who his father is and it is... an unpleasant surprise. By ROTJ, Luke has found his center and is finally able to confront his father.

Now, on another level, Luke is following stride for stride in his father's footsteps. From his humble beginnings on Tatooine to his eventual transformation into a one-handed Jedi Knight whom everyone is counting on to save the universe, he is exactly his father's son.

If you watch the six films in numerical order, it's beautiful how much Luke is like his father, and yet just enough his mother's son to make the right choices when it absolutely counts hell-bent for broke.

So in the sense that everything Luke does is almost exactly what his father did 20 years before, it really is about Anakin as much as it is about Luke. Having watched the six of them in order, I'll tell you that I was struck by the spin it put on the OT, the way old familiar moments suddenly became new and infinitely more meaningful. There's a quiet moment in ROTJ, after Luke has allowed himself to be captured and has had his talk with Vader in the AT-AT gantry on Endor, where the troops haul Luke away and Vader stands there staring out the plexiglass into the forest, and he doesn't say anything, and no flashbacks occur... he just stands there. I never thought much about that moment one way or the other but after watching 1-5 in order, that moment in ROTJ suddenly becomes very meaningful because you think back to Vader's life and you wonder if he sees in Luke his younger self (Hayden even LOOKS like Mark Hamill, it's perfect casting) and you think about Padme and Jar Jar and the young, smart-ass Obi-Wan and what happened to all of them, and yeah, Vader has a lot to be haunted by.

Those movies are every inch about Anakin's story.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Ya, I like chrisbale
I mean, he is chrisbale!!! How could I not

Excellent point.

 

[El Payaso]

Me personally I always thought Star Wars sucked. The movies bored me they were simply special effects I thought the story was just stupid. That's just me though.

Nopt just you. I don't hate them but they're really nothing extraordinary. Well, except the effects of course.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Nopt just you. I don't hate them but they're really nothing extraordinary. Well, except the effects of course.

But Ellie... you hate everything. t:

 

[El Payaso]

Just you.

SW are just okay. Never hated them.

 

[Stupify_me]

I see that basic sentence structure is lost on you.

I did not call you stupid. Never. I very plainly did say that I was suddenly wondering whether or not you were. If you're trying to prove that you're smart, you're doing a hell of a job. Keep it up.



Hrmm. When you say "the first three" do you mean first as in the order they were made, or first as in the order they are numbered? To me, 1-3 are the first three, even if they are 20 years more recent.

And honestly, we were talking about all six Star Wars movies, since they make a whole.

Episodes 1-3 are exclusively about Anakin's story, so I'll assume you don't mean those. Episodes 4-6 are absolutely about Anakin, but they're about Anakin from Luke's perspective.

After all, right from the beginning of ANH, Luke is full of questions about his father. By ESB Luke learns who his father is and it is... an unpleasant surprise. By ROTJ, Luke has found his center and is finally able to confront his father.

Now, on another level, Luke is following stride for stride in his father's footsteps. From his humble beginnings on Tatooine to his eventual transformation into a one-handed Jedi Knight whom everyone is counting on to save the universe, he is exactly his father's son.

If you watch the six films in numerical order, it's beautiful how much Luke is like his father, and yet just enough his mother's son to make the right choices when it absolutely counts hell-bent for broke.

So in the sense that everything Luke does is almost exactly what his father did 20 years before, it really is about Anakin as much as it is about Luke. Having watched the six of them in order, I'll tell you that I was struck by the spin it put on the OT, the way old familiar moments suddenly became new and infinitely more meaningful. There's a quiet moment in ROTJ, after Luke has allowed himself to be captured and has had his talk with Vader in the AT-AT gantry on Endor, where the troops haul Luke away and Vader stands there staring out the plexiglass into the forest, and he doesn't say anything, and no flashbacks occur... he just stands there. I never thought much about that moment one way or the other but after watching 1-5 in order, that moment in ROTJ suddenly becomes very meaningful because you think back to Vader's life and you wonder if he sees in Luke his younger self (Hayden even LOOKS like Mark Hamill, it's perfect casting) and you think about Padme and Jar Jar and the young, smart-ass Obi-Wan and what happened to all of them, and yeah, Vader has a lot to be haunted by.

Those movies are every inch about Anakin's story.

I was refering to the order they were made. I actually think the most recent movies were better than 4-6 or at least more enjoyable.



I think you are reading a bit to much in it. With you way you are describing the movie you could probably find Gigli to be a great story.