What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS* - Part 1

[sdc10]

I hated the ending.

Spoiler

superheroes who kill aren't necessarily better. There's a reason why everyone reads batman and not the Punisher.

I actually hope they change it so that it turns out kryptonians don't die when you turn their heads that way and that's why superman was so jovial afterwards. Plus it leaves it open for Zod to come back

All the "nooooos" and "daaaaaaads" were a bit over the top too.

But overall I enjoyed it

Superheroes who let innocent people die are not "necessarily better" either, the whole point of that was too give Superman a reason as to why he takes so much care to not kill anyone. Zod forced him into a situation where he had no other choice and now he will try as hard as he can to never be put into that situation again.

I liked the ending as it really surprised me, it was nice to see they just didnt go with the "sucked back into the phantom zone" ending that you would expect would happen to Zod.

It was also refreshing to see the superhero actually beat the villain with his own hands rather than the villian being defeated by circumstance or coincidence which happens a lot in superhero movies.

 

[blumatic]

I think the film lacked a triumphant climax. (although the final ending is optimistic)

I think the idea is supposed to be that Lois's appearance is the reminder of hope, after he kills the last of his race. However, it just comes across as a downer, as if he failed, not succeeded.

I would rearrange some bits at the end.

I would rather have the 'last of his race' moment when he destroys the genesis chamber. Lois's appearance gives him a reminder of hope to continue.

After sending Zod and crew back to the phantom zone, he then proceeds to destroy the terraforming machine, crawling to what he believes will be his certain death. (because it's basically like kryptonite)

While he's crawling, he's remembering what Pa Kent and Jor El have said to him. (either through voice over, flashback, or having them appear via hallucination).

I'd have the line "I have to believe that you were brought here for a reason", repeated, giving him the extra push; (He trusted him enough to let him die; so he makes sure that he didn't die for nothing)

Coupled with Zimmer's triumphant theme building and building, I think it would have made for a more triumphant ending.


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Also, I'd change some of the uninspired dialogue, mostly from Zod.

I think it was the lack of triumphant climax that killed it for people. They were looking for it and it didn't happen. Because of that one little moment not being there, it's open season on MOS.

If in SR, Zod was the enemy and they kept everything else, the SR sequel may have survived.

 

[sf2]

Superheroes who let innocent people die are not "necessarily better" either, the whole point of that was too give Superman a reason as to why he takes so much care to not kill anyone. Zod forced him into a situation where he had no other choice and now he will try as hard as he can to never be put into that situation again.

I liked the ending as it really surprised me, it was nice to see they just didnt go with the "sucked back into the phantom zone" ending that you would expect would happen to Zod.

It was also refreshing to see the superhero actually beat the villain with his own hands rather than the villian being defeated by circumstance or coincidence which happens a lot in superhero movies.

Exactly. Synder is ballsy.

 

[PacificBoy]

Superheroes who let innocent people die are not "necessarily better" either, the whole point of that was too give Superman a reason as to why he takes so much care to not kill anyone. Zod forced him into a situation where he had no other choice and now he will try as hard as he can to never be put into that situation again.

I do get the intention of the writers, and Goyer has said as much that killing Zod creates or strengthens Clark's belief never to take a life again. But such a resolve is never articulated or demonstrated on Clark's part. Are we supposed to assume that from the loosed scream?

Only those familiar with the Superman mythos would know that Clark doesn't kill (well, needlessly at least), but how about someone unfamiliar? A viewer can just as readily infer from the scene that Clark will kill again, if the need is justifiable, i.e. to save lives. For the greater good and all that.

 

[PacificBoy]

If in SR, Zod was the enemy and they kept everything else, the SR sequel may have survived.

Interesting notion. Only scene from Returns I'd only include in MoS is the plane saving sequence.

 

[robot]

Interesting notion. Only scene from Returns I'd only include in MoS is the plane saving sequence.

Right, and I would definitely keep the Bullet to the Eye sequence..

I have yet to see a scene that depicts Superman's powers and invulnerability as that scene... it was extremely well done...

 

[Nathan]

I do get the intention of the writers, and Goyer has said as much that killing Zod creates or strengthens Clark's belief never to take a life again. But such a resolve is never articulated or demonstrated on Clark's part. Are we supposed to assume that from the loosed scream?

Only those familiar with the Superman mythos would know that Clark doesn't kill (well, needlessly at least), but how about someone unfamiliar? A viewer can just as readily infer from the scene that Clark will kill again, if the need is justifiable, i.e. to save lives. For the greater good and all that.

Everything that can and will be explored in a sequel. I just don't get the need to have every little detail spelled out. And I say yes, that whole scene, Superman falling to his knees, screaming and getting embraced by Lois, was enough to get the idea across that he won't likely want to repeat that scenario. And what's wrong with just wondering sometimes? Will he kill again if the need is there? Will he try to find another way? We will see what happens when he gets put in a similar situation again.

 

[PacificBoy]

Everything that can and will be explored in a sequel. I just don't get the need to have every little detail spelled out. And I say yes, that whole scene, Superman falling to his knees, screaming and getting embraced by Lois, was enough to get the idea across that he won't likely want to repeat that scenario. And what's wrong with just wondering sometimes? Will he kill again if the need is there? Will he try to find another way? We will see what happens when he gets put in a similar situation again.

Sure, nothing wrong with wondering. I'm wondering out loud here myself about the scene.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Everything that can and will be explored in a sequel. I just don't get the need to have every little detail spelled out. And I say yes, that whole scene, Superman falling to his knees, screaming and getting embraced by Lois, was enough to get the idea across that he won't likely want to repeat that scenario. And what's wrong with just wondering sometimes? Will he kill again if the need is there? Will he try to find another way? We will see what happens when he gets put in a similar situation again.

for me, there's confusion whether he fell to his knees because he killed the last of his race, or because he took a life.

Or is because of A, that he won't ever do B again? I don't know.

If it's just about the killing, I don't think it really fits into this story, which wasn't about that at all.

 

[sdc10]

I do get the intention of the writers, and Goyer has said as much that killing Zod creates or strengthens Clark's belief never to take a life again. But such a resolve is never articulated or demonstrated on Clark's part. Are we supposed to assume that from the loosed scream?

Only those familiar with the Superman mythos would know that Clark doesn't kill (well, needlessly at least), but how about someone unfamiliar? A viewer can just as readily infer from the scene that Clark will kill again, if the need is justifiable, i.e. to save lives. For the greater good and all that.

I think as comic book readers we are all familiar with the notion of Superman being the "boy scout". The all encompassing aspect of good. We accept that Superman doesnt kill people because he is a hero in every sense of the word.

However, going at it from a non comic book reader point of view or a more "real world" point of view, its easy to say "Well Superman's strong why doesnt he just kill the bad guys?". For that reason I think it was a very smart idea to include a reason as to why he doesn't do it, as opposed to just saying "because he doesnt".

 

[PacificBoy]

I think as comic book readers we are all familiar with the notion of Superman being the "boy scout". The all encompassing aspect of good. We accept that Superman doesnt kill people because he is a hero in every sense of the word.

However, going at it from a non comic book reader point of view or a more "real world" point of view, its easy to say "Well Superman's strong why doesnt he just kill the bad guys?". For that reason I think it was a very smart idea to include a reason as to why he doesn't do it, as opposed to just saying "because he doesnt".

Yeah fair enough, you could really say the writers took a ballsy stance with this. I guess some people didn't like this real-world reaction because this meant that this version is more an 'everyman' Superman; a human who gains god-like powers as opposed to a god who chooses to be bound to human concepts of good and law and order.

 

[blumatic]

Right, and I would definitely keep the Bullet to the Eye sequence..

I have yet to see a scene that depicts Superman's powers and invulnerability as that scene... it was extremely well done...

Did you not see any of the epic fight sciences in Smallville and Metropolis.

The bullet scene was good but it was I don't think it was a big deal. Overrated in my opinion.

Now if someone shot a a bazooka and Superman caught it with one hand and crushed it, then we talking.

 

[Sabaoth]

My only complaint

The way too overdramatic notes played every time Zod came on screen. Now that was campy!

 

[Jim-El]

How did Pa Kent move the documented 17,000 pound Kryptonian ship of Kal-El into his barn???

 

[robot]

How did Pa Kent move the documented 17,000 pound Kryptonian ship of Kal-El into his barn???

He's a farmer.. he has large tractors / trucks...

 

[Jim-El]

He's a farmer.. he has large tractors / trucks...

17 THOUSAND POUNDS WORTH????

 

[Nathan]

It crashed into his barn. There, problem solved.

 

[bluearth]

I think the idea is supposed to be that Lois's appearance is the reminder of hope, after he kills the last of his race. However, it just comes across as a downer, as if he failed, not succeeded.

I enjoyed watching a superhero having to make a tough decision for once. His reaction was due to him having to make a tough decision, not because he regretted it or "lost". At the end of The Dark Knight the Joker WANTS to die, so its not a hard decision for Batman to save him. Some have suggested Zod beg Superman to kill him, but again, thats letting the hero take the easy way out...yet again.

How exactly did he fail? I believe the audience is far too reliant on TV tropes in order to accept and understand a great, unique ending like this.

17 THOUSAND POUNDS WORTH????

You're an expert on farm equipment and what it can and cant do?

 

[Jim-El]

You're an expert on farm equipment and what it can and cant do?

Common sense lil fella. No tractor/farm equipment can haul 17 thousand pounds. Amazingly the writers were clueless about this plot hole.

 

[bluearth]

Common sense lil fella. No tractor/farm equipment can haul 17 thousand pounds. Amazingly the writers were clueless about this plot hole.

You're so clever for exposing this massive plot hole. I envy you

 

[Mjölnir]

But did the tentacles really have to be there?

The scene could have been more effective if Superman was simply just struggling to even stand. We can still have the great shot of him under the gravity beam. It would probably be more powerful because we would see Superman put all of his effort into crawling to the beam, showing how strong his will is. That's a great build up.

The tentacle fight which precedes the gravity beam's destruction lacks that resonance because it's pretty much just him evading another set of obstacles and feels more like a generic action scene.

I feel that it was weird that they set up a struggle for Superman to overcome when they questioned if he would be as strong around the engine, but then nothing came out of it and he just wrestled some weird snakes until he could get on to the point he was there to do, struggle against the machine itself.

Common sense lil fella. No tractor/farm equipment can haul 17 thousand pounds. Amazingly the writers were clueless about this plot hole.

A tractor can haul more than that. When I rebuilt the shoreline of my property I had a farmer haul the stone with a tractor and trailer. It was two runs with about 17 000 pounds each, and he could have done it all in one go if it wasn't for that it would have messed up my lawn much worse.

What a farmer doesn't have though is equipment to get the ship off the ground and onto a trailer.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

That was a big space ship, did a newborn really need that much leg room?
Just finish up the MOS novel and I think some of the complaints about Superman not saving people ( if u discount every human on the planet) and being nonchalant about the human element in the destruction of Metropolis, could have been avoided if some lines and actions in the book had been in the movie. For example if Superman had told those around him to run somewhere safe when he saw that Zod was still on Earth.

PS Yeah tentacle monster was kind of lame, it was interesting to watch but I just couldn't help thinking, was that really necessary?

 

[bluearth]

The tentacles were the weakest part of the action first time I watched the movie. On the second go I didnt mind them at all as I felt they were very sci-fi because they were made up of millions of smaller particles

 

[Serpico Jones]

Would you guys be against hiring a different writer and director for the sequel? WB have been strangely silent regarding the sequel.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

My only complaint

The way too overdramatic notes played every time Zod came on screen. Now that was campy!

agreed. Hilarious stuff.