Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. What didn't you like?

[Docker2.0]

Hi, the name's Thunder.

But yes, they are very likely extremely limited on what they can use. They can't touch the Avengers - aside from references. Maybe a cameo. They probably can't touch any of the villains, or even ones who haven't already appeared, since they're saving those for live-action movies.

And any major non-Avenger character Marvel owns is probably also off limits, since they want to save those for live-action films.

And given their ties to the movie continuity, any ambitious plots probably have to be cleared with the movie people.

So, they're very limited, and you can tell.

Limited by choice. They are trying to have SHIELD stand on its on without help from the other corners of the Marvel universe but let's be real, with the cast they have now it can't. Let's be blunt, right now it border line sucks and I'm a marvel zombie and proud of it but this is horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if it dropped another 30% next week.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think they could do better, but again, given the show's rather... limited aim, and what little they have to work with (and the confines in which they have to work), I wasn't expecting much.

Writers given carte blanche with the Marvel universe (even if it's limited to Marvel Studio properties) could do... amazing stories.

So, with what they have, and what they've illustrated so far, yeah, I'm not hopeful.

 

[metaphysician]

I think they could do better, but again, given the show's rather... limited aim, and what little they have to work with (and the confines in which they have to work), I wasn't expecting much.

Writers given carte blanche with the Marvel universe (even if it's limited to Marvel Studio properties) could do... amazing stories.

So, with what they have, and what they've illustrated so far, yeah, I'm not hopeful.

Correction: writers with carte blanche *and an unlimited budget no TV series will ever get.* Because some of what you all are suggesting is not really reasonable. A big part of why they went with Agents of SHIELD is because its a concept that *doesn't* break the bank to do.

 

[Thundercrack85]

No I don't think that's true. I'm not suggestion they have Iron Man in every episode. But they could for example tap into characters like Destroyer, and do some cool World War II stuff, with a lot of characters from that era.

But they can't do that, because they have to make sure everything works with the movies (which have a rather limited set up).

Plus, it's not like Marvel should be afraid to pour some serious money into a serious project. But, this isn't a serious project. Captain America could work fine on a healthy TV budget. True, the action wouldn't be on par with the movies, but they could certainly make up for that in other areas.

I suppose there's not really much they can do, since they're so tied down by the movies, and everything that goes along with them. So it's a rather moot point I admit.

 

[Frodo]

I have no problem with the references that have been present in the first two episodes, as they want to firmly establish that connection. That said, going forward I like to see the references be more towards things we have not yet seen in the MCU such as a mention of a masked vigilante trying to clean up Hell's Kitchen or something like that. Give us a tease of things to come.

I actually don't mind the references myself, though I think fanboys over estimate how much the average joe who watches SHIELD really gets or remembers their relevance from the films. That's another example I why I feel the show needs to kinda build its own reality which is consistent with the MCU but isn't so dependent on the films. Rather it should supplement and compliment the films.

Hopefully the show will go deeper into the world of SHIELD and the foes that they specifically face as opposed to trying to make obscure connections to plot points from films in MCU that goes over the heads of the GA.

 

[psylockolussus]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is interconnected. It's not like the X-universe, where events and even characters are forgotten from one film to the next. (Hell, they're ignoring entire movies because it's inconvenient.) The show references the films and is effected by them, just as the characters in the films reference events in other films. For instance, Jane Foster mentions seeing Thor on TV fighting in the Battle of New York in Thor: The Dark World. Tony Stark' traumatic experiences in the battle were central to Iron Man 3. Captain America and the Super Soldier program were an important influence on events in The Incredible Hulk. Those connections and the references that flow from them make the MCU a much richer, more interesting place than it would otherwise be.

If the fact that it's an interconnected universe bothers you, fine. But it's an essential part of the MCU and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

Now you're bringing X-Men to the discussion. Yeah some people here do this a lot when a X-Men/DC/Spidey fan is criticizing the work of Marvel Studios.

There's nothing wrong with an interconnected universe, the thing is they already established the fact the this show is part of MCU, its a spin-off to Avengers, itsset after the Avengers, so there's no need to remind people about that for every single episode.

If you're fine with this show referencing Captain America or the "battle of New York" every episode, then good for you.

 

[Thoix]

I dislike everytbing that doesn't involve Coulson, cameos, and the tie-ins to the MCU. I absolutely dread the four younger characters, the writing is pretty poor, and overall the show feels more like generic detective show.

 

[roach]

I actually don't mind the references myself, though I think fanboys over estimate how much the average joe who watches SHIELD really gets or remembers their relevance from the films. That's another example I why I feel the show needs to kinda build its own reality which is consistent with the MCU but isn't so dependent on the films. Rather it should supplement and compliment the films.

Hopefully the show will go deeper into the world of SHIELD and the foes that they specifically face as opposed to trying to make obscure connections to plot points from films in MCU that goes over the heads of the GA.

I don't agree with this. Marvel is a big brand now.

 

[OB12]

No I don't think that's true. I'm not suggestion they have Iron Man in every episode. But they could for example tap into characters like Destroyer, and do some cool World War II stuff, with a lot of characters from that era.

But they can't do that, because they have to make sure everything works with the movies (which have a rather limited set up).

Plus, it's not like Marvel should be afraid to pour some serious money into a serious project. But, this isn't a serious project. Captain America could work fine on a healthy TV budget. True, the action wouldn't be on par with the movies, but they could certainly make up for that in other areas.

I suppose there's not really much they can do, since they're so tied down by the movies, and everything that goes along with them. So it's a rather moot point I admit.

Each of those suggestions that you made would be quite expensive. The Destroyer would be all CGI and period pieces require a lot of resources. The budget is a constraint, but I believe it will be a pretty healthy one as far as TV goes. That said, this show will most likely continue focus on the SHIELD agents and when we see heroes and villains they will likely be street level to make them fit within the budget.

 

[Teelie]

I remember this being somewhat described as the "B-Team" for SHIELD in that these aren't superheroes, they don't have special powers, abilities, technology or mutations (ala the Avengers proper) giving them an advantage over others so they shouldn't be going against super villains and the like very often.

It doesn't mean we can't see it but I really doubt it'll be a weekly thing.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I was fine with referencing MCu/Battle of NY/or whatever references Coulson said in the premiere. That was the first episode and it was necessary especially its the spin-off show to the Avengers and they have to let the viewers see the connection between this show and the movie. But seriously, they shouldn't do this name dropping for every episode because its over-kill. Thats like referencing Avengers 1 for the entire runtime of Avengers 2.

but the battle of NY was a f***ing big event. It basically is the MCU version of 9/11. of course people would be talking about it a year after constantly, especially if one of them was directly involved. it would be very unrealistic if they didn't

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is interconnected. It's not like the X-universe, where events and even characters are forgotten from one film to the next. (Hell, they're ignoring entire movies because it's inconvenient.) The show references the films and is effected by them, just as the characters in the films reference events in other films. For instance, Jane Foster mentions seeing Thor on TV fighting in the Battle of New York in Thor: The Dark World. Tony Stark' traumatic experiences in the battle were central to Iron Man 3. Captain America and the Super Soldier program were an important influence on events in The Incredible Hulk. Those connections and the references that flow from them make the MCU a much richer, more interesting place than it would otherwise be.


If the fact that it's an interconnected universe bothers you, fine. But it's an essential part of the MCU and it isn't going to change anytime soon.

and wasn't it part of the reason phase I was so successful with the fans? if one doesn't like the interconnectivity I'm not even sure why they watch parts of the MCU anyway

 

[roach]

but the battle of NY was a f***ing big event. It basically is the MCU version of 9/11. of course people would be talking about it a year after constantly, especially if one of them was directly involved. it would be very unrealistic if they didn't

even with 9/11 people got tired of the constant talking about it.

and wasn't it part of the reason phase I was so successful with the fans? if one doesn't like the interconnectivity I'm not even sure why they watch parts of the MCU anyway

yes we want interconnectivity but we also want a show that stands on its own. While Iron Man had MCU references it was still it's own movie. Thor had MCU references but it was it's own movie. Cap had MCU references but it was it's own movie. I want this show to succeed but it needs to be it's own entity before it can do that.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm starting to realize I don't much care for the MCU, since it seems to be a writing nightmare.

It felt so forced in, in Iron Man 2, and in Iron Man 3, then it seemed very odd that none of the Avengers (or SHIELD) turned up when all that crazy crap was going on.

It worked alright for Thor though, I guess.

I got mixed feelings on this whole shared-universe thing.

 

[roach]

I'm starting to realize I don't much care for the MCU, since it seems to be a writing nightmare.

It felt so forced in, in Iron Man 2, and in Iron Man 3, then it seemed very odd that none of the Avengers (or SHIELD) turned up when all that crazy crap was going on.

It worked alright for Thor though, I guess.

I got mixed feelings on this whole shared-universe thing.

It's not a problem if you are consistent with the references. Ironman, Thor and Cap were perfect IMO. the problem comes when they over do it like in Iron Man 2 or too little like in Iron Man 3.

 

[Frodo]

I don't agree with this. Marvel is a big brand now.

I'm not sure with what you specifically disagree with , but if the disagreement is over some of the more obscure references or allusions that SHIELD makes , alot of the GA aren't gonna get some of the more obscure references from the films that the die hard fans do. Marvel is a big brand but that doesn't mean alot of the GA hangs on every detail like the fans do.

 

[roach]

I'm not sure with what you specifically disagree with , but if the disagreement is over some of the more obscure references or allusions that SHIELD makes , alot of the GA aren't gonna get some of the more obscure references from the films that the die hard fans do. Marvel is a big brand but that doesn't mean alot of the GA hangs on every detail like the fans do.

what obscure references? Avengers is obscure now?
The GA are not morons. The reason this show had a record breaking start was because everyone knew it's connected to Avengers.

 

[Docker2.0]

what obscure references? Avengers is obscure now?
The GA are not morons. The reason this show had a record breaking start was because everyone knew it's connected to Avengers.

Yep! It could have kept those numbers if the cast wasn't so annoying. It goes to show that there is an audience for it but it has to be done right. This show is really missing the mark. I'm giving it 3 more episodes but in my heart of hearts, I know if the ratings keep slipping, which I think they will, it won't last much longer.

 

[roach]

Yep! It could have kept those numbers if the cast wasn't so annoying. It goes to show that there is an audience for it but it has to be done right. This show is really missing the mark. I'm giving it 3 more episodes but in my heart of hearts, I know if the ratings keep slipping, which I think they will, it won't last much longer.

This weeks episode will be the last live one I watch. I really liked Brooklyn 9-9 and I miss it to watch AOS. So unless this next episode is an improvement it will be on demanded. I had high hopes for this show and it's missing the mark by a lot. If this wasn't a Marvel show i don't think people would be watching it.

The only character I care about is Coulson and even that is not by much. I liked the two bickering scientists better on Pacific Rim.

 

[psylockolussus]

but the battle of NY was a f***ing big event. It basically is the MCU version of 9/11. of course people would be talking about it a year after constantly, especially if one of them was directly involved. it would be very unrealistic if they didn't.

So do you think they should mention it for every episode? I already said it was alright in the 1st episode, because it was the premiere and they needed to establish that connection. But its already been done, no need to mention it for every single episode.

They don't need to make references for every episode or it will get old really fast.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

So do you think they should mention it for every episode? I already said it was alright in the 1st episode, because it was the premiere and they needed to establish that connection. But its already been done, no need to mention it for every single episode.

They don't need to make references for every episode or it will get old really fast.

not every episode, but so far, with only 2 episodes, they had good reasons to mention it both times

 

[THANOSRULES]

I think they could do better, but again, given the show's rather... limited aim, and what little they have to work with (and the confines in which they have to work), I wasn't expecting much.

Writers given carte blanche with the Marvel universe (even if it's limited to Marvel Studio properties) could do... amazing stories.

So, with what they have, and what they've illustrated so far, yeah, I'm not hopeful.

You keep mentioning this "limited" factor and I just dont think it has much to do with the problems we've seen.

It's kinda an excuse you seem to be making...many shows have lmited budgets and excell. As for the limitations on how "fair game" the marvel U is I don't think a lot of us have a real high need to see a lot..I think there's a certain amount of characters and themes that culd be involved...but so far thats just not the biggest problem.



..and after they put the "product of putridness" that was episode 2..i dont have much hope crack85

btw isnt the premise of the show that they would be tracking down superpowered persons or things? That premise would imply we would see some known marvel u characters..

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

btw isnt the premise of the show that they would be tracking down superpowered persons or things? That premise would imply we would see some known marvel u characters..

like tomorrow, when we'll see Graviton

 

[Dr. Evil]

like tomorrow, when we'll see Graviton

CBM has a preview of episode 5 and speculates that Ruth Negga is a Marvel character named Raina, a character from Savage Land.

We'll see when episode five comes around.

 

[THANOSRULES]

like tomorrow, when we'll see Graviton

I heard about this and thats great..however you gotta start with a pop and this sucker has not. My point was TC was saying the show has a limited scope and that premise does not seem that limited...so theres nothing flawed about any concept.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I would have liked to have seen this show debut new SHIELD Agents to MCU like Clay Quartermaine, GW Bridge, Jessica Drew or Abigail Brand.