What do you think of Ron Paul?

I went to his website months ago, and read his stance on immigration. While I agree that illegal immigration is a problem in our country, he seems to think one of the best solutions is to eliminate the concept of born US citizenship. You see, if an illegal immigrant gives birth to a child on US soil, that child is automatically considered a citizen, and the parents are legally allowed to stay in the country. Eliminating birthright citizenship would reduce the number of illegal immigrants willing to use this loophole, sure. However, I disagree with this stance, and believe that all people born in the United States should be granted birthright citizenship.

He also seems to have a problem with the current immigration system. Keep better track of visas for deportation, sure. However, he seems to have problems with how many legal immigrants we're allowing in this country. It hints at a certain level of xenophobia.

He also wants to end our membership in the United Nations.

I'm not a fan.
 
Manic said:
I went to his website months ago, and read his stance on immigration. While I agree that illegal immigration is a problem in our country, he seems to think one of the best solutions is to eliminate the concept of born US citizenship. You see, if an illegal immigrant gives birth to a child on US soil, that child is automatically considered a citizen, and the parents are legally allowed to stay in the country. Eliminating birthright citizenship would reduce the number of illegal immigrants willing to use this loophole, sure. However, I disagree with this stance, and believe that all people born in the United States should be granted birthright citizenship.

He also seems to have a problem with the current immigration system. Keep better track of visas for deportation, sure. However, he seems to have problems with how many legal immigrants we're allowing in this country. It hints at a certain level of xenophobia.

He also wants to end our membership in the United Nations.

I'm not a fan.
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Thank you for replying maniac,

I disagree with you on the issue of birthright citizenship. I believe that Mexican nationals use this law to anchor their why into citizenship. One way to combat this is to chage birthright citizenship to declare that one parent, of said child, be a current American citizen While I think this should be an issue that should be brought into the public spectrum to debate, as I have only so much knowledge on Immigration affairs, I don't think it's as important as US companies hiring illegal aliens to fill job positions throughout California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

I do not believe Ron Paul has any problem what so ever, that I can deduct from research, that states that he is against legal immigration. I believe the contrary, that he is for legal immigration as long as it benefits America and is within the limits of the constitution.
 
I think preventing American businesses from hiring illegal immigrants would cut down on the illegal immigration, big time. At least we can agree on that.

However, I find it unjust to grant citizenship in the US based on whether your parents are. Hypothetically, you could have two non-citizen immigrants living in the US by completely legal means; if they were to conceive a child, that child would be incapable of having the same benefits as his/her citizen peers until reaching adulthood, and applying for the citizenship they should've been born with.

Another position Paul holds that I have a problem with is that he's against giving foreign aid. He supports open trade and diplomacy, sure, but not supplying aid to third world nations. What will us nightowl channel surfers do with our "pennies a day", if not give them to underprivileged children in distant nations?
 
I like him, if not only because even though there's stuff I don't agree with, he's pretty much the only canidate that isn't mentally challenged or insane. :o
 
Wasn't he a transvestite?

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:oldrazz:
 
What I know of him, I like. And I'd love it if he chose Frist for a running mate.
 
I almost don't care who's in office, just get Bush outta there!
 
Manic said:
I think preventing American businesses from hiring illegal immigrants would cut down on the illegal immigration, big time. At least we can agree on that.

However, I find it unjust to grant citizenship in the US based on whether your parents are. Hypothetically, you could have two non-citizen immigrants living in the US by completely legal means; if they were to conceive a child, that child would be incapable of having the same benefits as his/her citizen peers until reaching adulthood, and applying for the citizenship they should've been born with.

Another position Paul holds that I have a problem with is that he's against giving foreign aid. He supports open trade and diplomacy, sure, but not supplying aid to third world nations. What will us nightowl channel surfers do with our "pennies a day", if not give them to underprivileged children in distant nations?
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Maniac,

We agree that if American businesses stop hiring illegal it would cutdown on illegal immigration in this country.

As far as your concern about two totally legal immigrants being in this country and having a child, how about if the parents are in this country and they have visas, the child is granted birthright citizenship. I believe that this is a logical common ground between people that are for birthright citizenship and those who oppose it. But as I said before, there would have to be a dialogue on the issue of immigration reform to totally go into the details of this situation. And that is not going to happen until the next president is in office.

As for foreign aid, I believe that it does not accomplish its goal. At least on a federal level. I think that most countries that we give foreign aid to have corrupt governments that horde the money. I don't believe that the money ever reaches the people who need it most. I think that if we give money through private means (charities, churches, etc.) it will have a better chance of helping the people who acctually need it.

It seems that you are hung up on this one issue (not judging) but I would like to know your thoughts on a various issues that Ron Paul addresses in his videos and the articles I linked to. As you know, not every politician is going to have the exact same views as you or I. Thanks for responding and giving your insight on these important issues affecting America.
 
There's a difference between politicians and celebrities. Move?
 
Has he even thought through the idea of eliminating the IRS? Because that sounds like something an eight-year-old would suggest. I know he's got this noble idea of a small government but last time I checked even the smallest governments required money to operate on. Or will everything run on the magic farts of the founding fathers?

I like his plan to eliminate US citizenship by birth, I'm getting tired of illegals taking two steps across the boarding to have an infant and then hoping that we'll grant them amnesty.
 
I think he's a nutball. While I agree with him on Iraq (and maybe one or two other things), he's like Kucinich on the right. Though I do love Kucinich's idea for a Department of Peace. :( :o
 
I find him somewhat intriguing, but all in all, I just can't bring myself to support him. I disagree with too many of his stances on immigration, foreign relations, and the IRS. There are a ton of vocal Paul supporters at KU, and not a single one can ever come up with a better argument FOR HIM than "look at how stupid such-and-such more famous politician is". It just irritates me that this sort of thing is actually gaining traction.
 
justinlancaster said:
As for foreign aid, I believe that it does not accomplish its goal. At least on a federal level. I think that most countries that we give foreign aid to have corrupt governments that horde the money. I don't believe that the money ever reaches the people who need it most. I think that if we give money through private means (charities, churches, etc.) it will have a better chance of helping the people who acctually need it.
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Well, I believe we should just make better choices at which countries we choose to support. I say pull support for the corrupt governments, and take our money to someone that really deserves it. We've made a really nasty habit of turning a blind eye to countries we can squeeze something out of for our money, and I think the real problem lies in us opening that eye every once in a while.

It seems that you are hung up on this one issue (not judging) but I would like to know your thoughts on a various issues that Ron Paul addresses in his videos and the articles I linked to. As you know, not every politician is going to have the exact same views as you or I. Thanks for responding and giving your insight on these important issues affecting America.
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Well, he wants to get rid of the IRS. Sure, it'd lower taxes, but it'd also reduce the amount of money flowing into the federal government's operations. But who needs the FBI, Department of Education, Department of Agriculture, or military, anyway?

Again, I'd like to mention that he wants to pull the US out of the United Nations. The UN. Sure, they're virtually useless when it comes to enforcing their own rules, but you can't knock their humanitarian efforts. Not that Paul wants to leave the UN for that reason, anyway. According to his website, he proposes we exit because the UN's "attempts to tax our guns or disarm us entirely." As if the UN would ever succeed.

Also, those damn "Revolution" banners people have are annoying. Do they have any idea what communism is, or are they trying to be ironic?
 
Manic said:
I think preventing American businesses from hiring illegal immigrants would cut down on the illegal immigration, big time. At least we can agree on that.

However, I find it unjust to grant citizenship in the US based on whether your parents are. Hypothetically, you could have two non-citizen immigrants living in the US by completely legal means; if they were to conceive a child, that child would be incapable of having the same benefits as his/her citizen peers until reaching adulthood, and applying for the citizenship they should've been born with.

Another position Paul holds that I have a problem with is that he's against giving foreign aid. He supports open trade and diplomacy, sure, but not supplying aid to third world nations. What will us nightowl channel surfers do with our "pennies a day", if not give them to underprivileged children in distant nations?
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Well, the "pennies a day" stuff is usually private organizations, and, being the guy for free trade, I'm certain he isn't against that.

bored said:
I find him somewhat intriguing, but all in all, I just can't bring myself to support him. I disagree with too many of his stances on immigration, foreign relations, and the IRS. There are a ton of vocal Paul supporters at KU, and not a single one can ever come up with a better argument FOR HIM than "look at how stupid such-and-such more famous politician is". It just irritates me that this sort of thing is actually gaining traction.
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He's essentially the only politician that has any public attention, little it may be, that supports the Constitution, voting against many of the Big Brother bills the GOP has made, such as the Patriot Act and the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

Well, there's one, at least. :yay:
 
Ron Paul seems cool. I haven't heard of him tring to get rid of the IRS, but if he was, I'm sure he'd have some sort of back up solution for federal taxes. He actually has the balls to support things he believes even though they might not be popular.
 
Manic said:
I went to his website months ago, and read his stance on immigration. While I agree that illegal immigration is a problem in our country, he seems to think one of the best solutions is to eliminate the concept of born US citizenship. You see, if an illegal immigrant gives birth to a child on US soil, that child is automatically considered a citizen, and the parents are legally allowed to stay in the country. Eliminating birthright citizenship would reduce the number of illegal immigrants willing to use this loophole, sure. However, I disagree with this stance, and believe that all people born in the United States should be granted birthright citizenship.

He also seems to have a problem with the current immigration system. Keep better track of visas for deportation, sure. However, he seems to have problems with how many legal immigrants we're allowing in this country. It hints at a certain level of xenophobia.

He also wants to end our membership in the United Nations.

I'm not a fan.
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You agree that illegal immigration is a problem. But you are against a sure way cut the incentive to sneak in here in the first place?? :dry: :huh:

How can you get rid of the illegal if they can have "anchor babies"?

This is the only thing that Ron Paul has said that makes any sense. If your parents are illegal, you should be illegal too. This law has been exploited for too long!
 
Manic said:
I think preventing American businesses from hiring illegal immigrants would cut down on the illegal immigration, big time. At least we can agree on that.

However, I find it unjust to grant citizenship in the US based on whether your parents are. Hypothetically, you could have two non-citizen immigrants living in the US by completely legal means; if they were to conceive a child, that child would be incapable of having the same benefits as his/her citizen peers until reaching adulthood, and applying for the citizenship they should've been born with.

Another position Paul holds that I have a problem with is that he's against giving foreign aid. He supports open trade and diplomacy, sure, but not supplying aid to third world nations. What will us nightowl channel surfers do with our "pennies a day", if not give them to underprivileged children in distant nations?
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If they are here legally they are on visas that expire. Which means there is a point in which they know they are suppose to go back home anyway. Which also means that if that child is still here until adulthood, they've over-stayed. They are not citizens! Apply for it like all of the others that have done it.

Anyway, you know that it's the illegals using this to their advantage in the scenario you just painted.
 
Memphis Slim said:
If they are here legally they are on visas that expire. Which means there is a point in which they know they are suppose to go back home anyway. Which also means that if that child is still here until adulthood, they've over-stayed. They are not citizens! Apply for it like all of the others that have done it.

Anyway, you know that it's the illegals using this to their advantage in the scenario you just painted.
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You'd be surprised how long a visa can last. I have friends who migrated here during infancy, and had to apply for citizenship sometime during their high school senior year. Imagine being born here, and having to do that.

Just because illegals abuse birthright citizenship, that doesn't mean we should eliminate it outright. It just has to be reworked.
 
Kritish said:
Has he even thought through the idea of eliminating the IRS? Because that sounds like something an eight-year-old would suggest. I know he's got this noble idea of a small government but last time I checked even the smallest governments required money to operate on. Or will everything run on the magic farts of the founding fathers?

I like his plan to eliminate US citizenship by birth, I'm getting tired of illegals taking two steps across the boarding to have an infant and then hoping that we'll grant them amnesty.
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Getting rid of the IRS doesn't mean getting rid of taxes. It just means getting rid of the ridiculous and bureaucratic mumble jumble that is the current tax code, as well as taking away some of the power the IRS (often, wrongfully) wields.
 
Why bother getting rid of the IRS if you're just going to replace it with something new? Why not gut the IRS from the inside out, and rearrange how it's run?
 
Kritish said:
Has he even thought through the idea of eliminating the IRS? Because that sounds like something an eight-year-old would suggest. I know he's got this noble idea of a small government but last time I checked even the smallest governments required money to operate on. Or will everything run on the magic farts of the founding fathers?

I like his plan to eliminate US citizenship by birth, I'm getting tired of illegals taking two steps across the boarding to have an infant and then hoping that we'll grant them amnesty.
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Kirtish, I agree that even the smallest governments need money to operate on, but 100% of the income tax is paid to the Federal Reserve. It is never used for public services. The money that the federal government uses to pay for various public services comes from other sources like corporate taxes, social security taxes, constitutional revenues such as excise taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, tires, etc., tariffs on trade, military hardware sales, loans from the Federal Reserve and magic farts of the founding fathers.
http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

All that would need to be done is to cut back spending. I believe anything that puts the money back into the hands of hard working Americans is a good thing.

Here are some interesting videos regarding the IRS and the Federal Reserve:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZl6202HJGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzkceT521A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaUhGpBNBtk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCgHRoB6xUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xb3pKzWikk
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023
 
Manic said:
Why bother getting rid of the IRS if you're just going to replace it with something new? Why not gut the IRS from the inside out, and rearrange how it's run?
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From www.RonPaul2008.com
Ending the IRS


I have long been an advocate of ending the income tax and eliminating the IRS. People tell me that this is a laudable goal, but they don't see how it would be possible. The question that I am often asked is, "How would the government pay for the services they provide, or pay their employees, if there were no income tax?" Between 1787 and 1913, we had no permanent income tax system, and America prospered! The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified to prevent the Supreme Court from ruling the income tax unconstitutional, as it had done in 1895.
The income tax isn't necessary to pay for government services. Few people know that every penny of the income tax is used to service federal debt, a large percentage of which is held by foreign investors and governments. Our government is borrowing nearly three billion dollars a day in order to perpetuate the welfare state and an international war-making empire. The fruits of your labor are going directly to Saudi millionaires and Chinese communist officials.
If we stop incurring this debt, we can quickly end the IRS.
Only about 42 percent of government revenue is collected through the personal income tax. During the course of the Bush presidency, government spending has increased by about 75 percent. Cutting spending to the same level it was at seven years ago would make it possible to render the personal income tax unnecessary.
If we further reduced spending to the 1992 level, we could quickly pay off our foreign debt, return our nation to solvency, and make April 15th a normal day.
Would you be comfortable with the government providing the services they did just fifteen years ago if it meant never paying income taxes again?

- I don't believe Ron Paul wants to replace the IRS with anything.
 
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