The Amazing Spider-Man What do you want out of Spider-man 4???

[protocida]

Man-Spider

Seriously?

 

[Raiden]

Because SM2 is my favorite in the trilogy, I wish Raimi will make SM4 more like it, with one villain (played by an excellent actor) who has good character development, and not have the movie bogged down by too many characters, emo Parker, or Parker who can't stop weeping every 5 minutes. Spider-man needs to get more interesting drama, but it also needs to find good humor to go along with it because Spider-man isn't Batman, and he can't brood all the time. However, Raimi will be smart to look at TDK and learn some lessons from it also.

 

[LexCorp]

Spiderman

 

[luke1234]

Sheer awesomeness.

 

[TKing]

In a weird way, I think the disappointment we suffered with SM3 has actually raised my anticipation for this one (perhaps even moreso than IM2 - though Mickey Rourke's involvement will bring all kinds of awesome).

 

[spider-neil]

Because SM2 is my favorite in the trilogy, I wish Raimi will make SM4 more like it, with one villain (played by an excellent actor) who has good character development, and not have the movie bogged down by too many characters, emo Parker, or Parker who can't stop weeping every 5 minutes. Spider-man needs to get more interesting drama, but it also needs to find good humor to go along with it because Spider-man isn't Batman, and he can't brood all the time. However, Raimi will be smart to look at TDK and learn some lessons from it also.

I definately would perfer one villian because then you can have ture character development but then again I'd love a throw away villian that spidey takes out in the opening credits or something like shocker or rhino.

 

[spider-neil]

SM3 may actually help sam because now he can compare and contract with what worked (SM1/SM2) and what didn't (SM3), a much easier job then topping what was at the time THE best superhero movie ever (SM2).

 

[spider-neil]

one thing I want in SM4 is sam's kinetic cameras. its sam signature and he hasn't used nearly enough in the spiderman movies, the only scenes I recall is (SM2) the doc ock 'birth' in the hostipal, the camara zooming in every time doc ock makes a tremer (pete/mj scene in the café) and (SM3) the sandman scene where he is drunched in watch and the camera zooms in everytime a rivet pops loose.

 

[Construct]

Seriously?

Yes. I explain Man-Spider's inclusion in the post you quoted with the hyperlinked "this".

In addition, here's another partial repost of what I'd like to see in SM4:

Minor villains: Scorpion, Rhino, and/or Vulture
I see the minor villains as those that Spidey fights in an opening sequence. I prefer the team of Scorpion and Rhino, but I included Vulture as a wild card. I see SM4 as having an animal-based theme so these minor villains provide a foreground for that.

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This picture does not explain your opinion well. With words, will you be more thorough? At the least, do you have anything constructive to add?

 

[AmazingSpidey]

I'd like to see more of a wise cracking Spidey, less of MJ, put some distance between them please, it didn't really make sense for Gwen to even be in SM3, so no Gwen, introduce Black Cat as an interest, let Connors become the Lizard, more thug battle and throw in the Scorpion, tie in other Marvel films some how and end it with the return of Norman Osborn!!!

 

[bryanss3]

I'd like Spidey to keep his mask on. Peter to feel guilt over Harry's death. I don't care how much screen time MJ gets honestly as long as she isn't a lame plot device she could be on screen 70% of the movie... ok thats too much, but I just don't want to hear about her acting career the whole movie and then have her show up in the big super villain fight at the end. I mean i could even see logically if Kraven is used he could us MJ as bate for spidey, but still the last fight scene of the movie will feel just like the other 3 movies.

 

[spider-neil]

what spidey fans expect

a) spidey to keep his mask on
b) spidey to wisecrack

reason why I'm sure sam avoids the about

taking the mask off - hard to emote from behind a mask, you can't see the facial expressions (performance of the actor)

spidey wisecracking - breaks up the flow of action (difficult to hear if the action is loud?)

valid reasons I'm sure but I couldn't care less I want to see spidey keep his mask on and take the piss out of the villians he beats up. screw the logistic or reality its a movie.

 

[shinlyle]

SM3 may actually help sam because now he can compare and contract with what worked (SM1/SM2) and what didn't (SM3), a much easier job then topping what was at the time THE best superhero movie ever (SM2).

Uh, SM2 is STILL the best superhero movie ever. The Dark Knight was close, and Iron man flew high, but NOTHING will ever compare to seeing Spidey dump that suit in the trash can, and nothing compares to the train fight.

That, and the Bat-growl pulls me out of Dark Knight and Batman Begins EVERY TIME....and I LOVE those movies.

 

[Adrian89]

This picture does not explain your opinion well. With words, will you be more thorough? At the least, do you have anything constructive to add?

You guys have no sense of humour!

My point is very simple: The Man-Spider thing won't work. It's just as easy as that, plus, you have to ask yourself - DO I WANT TO SEE THAT ON SCREEN, ESPECIALLY ON A SM MOVIE?

How can they make that right? Plus, it might have to be R Rated because of the violence and we all know a SM Movie will never be R Rated and perhaps it doesn't need to be either! But that monster will be a joke either way just like the story itself!

Idk about others, but personally, I would never want to see that in a Spider-Man Movie. EVER!

There are far better stories which haven't been told in the movie yet (for example, I would like to see Scorpion and I also want to see the doing that story with JJJ's hatred for Spider-Man growing until he's had it! U know it.)!

b) spidey to wisecrack.

YES!!! And also, I don't wanna see any more of Mr. wimp-Parker! I don't know if it's 100% the writers' fault or Tobey's also (he isn't a great Peter Parker imo, but a good one!), but I think it's time to fix that! He should be more DOWN TO EARTH! Raimi should be aware of this since he claims he loves Spidey and he read all those comics etc! If he understands the character perfectly, he needs to solve this problem as well!

 

[Construct]

You guys have no sense of humour!

My point is very simple: The Man-Spider thing won't work. It's just as easy as that, plus, you have to ask yourself - DO I WANT TO SEE THAT ON SCREEN, ESPECIALLY ON A SM MOVIE?

How can they make that right? Plus, it might have to be R Rated because of the violence and we all know a SM Movie will never be R Rated and perhaps it doesn't need to be either! But that monster will be a joke either way just like the story itself!

Idk about others, but personally, I would never want to see that in a Spider-Man Movie. EVER!

There are far better stories which haven't been told in the movie yet (for example, I would like to see Scorpion and I also want to see the doing that story with JJJ's hatred for Spider-Man growing until he's had it! U know it.)!

It seems to me that your problem lies with the execution more than the character/monster itself. Whenever I (and likely, others) post in these types of threads, I always consider the best-case scenario, and that involves everything in the story making sense and characters being adapted as respectfully as possible.

I'll preface the rest of my post with this quote, because it's relevant:

Summary:
(To preface: I thought of these things shortly after I'd seen SM3; TDK had no bearing on my ideas.)

I see this film as possibly the darkest in the franchise given that Peter may feel more alone and depressed because of the failures of some of his closest relationships (MJ, Dr. Connors' transformation, deaths), the fact that he has no symbiote to bond with to channel those emotions, and his struggles in his professional life in general (finding a job, maintaining finances, etc.). In addition to those, he experiences momentary lapses in his powers that make him more ineffectual as a hero, similar to the events in SM2, but different in how Peter deals with them (web-shooters) and what actually happens to him as a result (he grows stronger instead of becoming normal again). His increasing obsolescence opens the door for Kraven to catch/kill the Lizard.

Throughout the film, the audience sees how Peter deals with these issues while battling a growing public distaste for Spider-Man, and his dilemma to continue being a hero in light of that and his own transformation that could amplify that public animosity and put a tighter strain on his personal relationships.

Within the context of this story, I believe that the Lizard, Kraven, and Peter's eventual transformation works as it should introduce new dramatic dynamics into this series, as well as shake convention from it (i.e. MJ being bait in the third act) and other comic-book-superhero movies.

I see this story as a reasonable progression of the series. Dr. Connors has been in two movies so far, and I, like many others, would like to see him become the Lizard in this film. Kraven is a logical choice for a true antagonist in that case, and Peter's own transformation would provide the extra dramatic dimension that not only keeps his character and the story interesting, but it would also follow the logic of the series (his state-of-being being affected by personal issues, among other things) and lastly, give the skeptics of comic-book-superheroes' plausibility something to be entertained by. I expect the third act of this film to be something unseen thus far in films such as these, especially if SM4 and SM5 are filmed back-to-back. In addition, I can see JJJ and the Scorpion being involved in the story I provide, albeit the Scorpion would have a smaller role as I explained in my previous post (hopefully to be included in a later film), but perhaps Peter's discovery of JJJ's dealings place a tighter strain on their relationship and Spidey being shown up by Kraven would replace JJJ's disappointment over the Scorpion's defeat.

From your quote of my first post in this thread, you didn't seem to have a problem with my inclusion of the Lizard, who is one of Spider-Man's most vicious enemies, appearing in a PG-13 movie; I don't think that Man-Spider should push that rating into "R" territory any more than the Lizard would. In addition, boundaries of the PG-13 rating are being pushed more often now, and I believe that Sam Raimi's current (at least, critical) success with his new (PG-13) horror film would give him good ideas as to how to adapt these characters.

With a franchise entering its fourth installment and such a long wait between the 3rd and 4th films, I expect more maturity in the characters and a fearlessness to be reasonably bold with the storytelling. With the summary and ideas I have provided or not, hopefully SM4 delivers on those fronts.

 

[weezerspider]

Uh, SM2 is STILL the best superhero movie ever. The Dark Knight was close, and Iron man flew high, but NOTHING will ever compare to seeing Spidey dump that suit in the trash can, and nothing compares to the train fight.

That, and the Bat-growl pulls me out of Dark Knight and Batman Begins EVERY TIME....and I LOVE those movies.

ugh...... Personally you like Spiderman 2 better, but The Dark Knight is easily the superior film. I mean seriously, grow up. I like Dirty Harry more than The Godfather, but I respect and know the The Godfather is easily the superior film.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

If Sam wants to follow Superman's lead, Spider-man 4 will have Hydro-man and deal with the impact of global warming/pollution. LOL.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

ugh...... Personally you like Spiderman 2 better, but The Dark Knight is easily the superior film. I mean seriously, grow up. I like Dirty Harry more than The Godfather, but I respect and know the The Godfather is easily the superior film.

SO, wait, are you telling him that he can't think S-M2 is a better movie? Personally, I like it more than TDK. Spider-Man has always appealed to me more.

 

[venom892]

I'm the biggest Spider-man fan there can be.I own figures,Large amount of comics{More then any character}.I loved the character since I'm five.But It doesn't blind me.I love Spider-man 2.It was my favorite movie for a long time.But I can admit The Dark Knight is the better film.It's the same with the 90's Animated series.I love it to death and it got me into the world of Spider-man.But I don't think anyone can tell me it's better Then Batman:The Animated Series.I love the character of Spider-man a lot more then Batman but in this instances Batman is better.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

I'm the biggest Spider-man fan there can be.I own figures,Large amount of comics{More then any character}.I loved the character since I'm five.But It doesn't blind me.I love Spider-man 2.It was my favorite movie for a long time.But I can admit The Dark Knight is the better film.It's the same with the 90's Animated series.I love it to death and it got me into the world of Spider-man.But I don't think anyone can tell me it's better Then Batman:The Animated Series.I love the character of Spider-man a lot more then Batman but in this instances Batman is better.

It's subjective. I enjoyed Batman (89') a hell of a lot more than TDK.

 

[venom892]

Well of course.The Dark Knight is my favorite Batman movie.Although I will say Batman '89 got closer to the Gotham of the comics then TDK or BB did.

 

[spider-neil]

SO, wait, are you telling him that he can't think S-M2 is a better movie? Personally, I like it more than TDK. Better movie, IMO.

if someone thought catwoman was the best movie ever then as far as they're concerned it IS the best movie ever. its all about opinions and no ones opinion is more valid than anyone elses. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[TheWrathOfGod]

Well of course.The Dark Knight is my favorite Batman movie.Although I will say Batman '89 got closer to the Gotham of the comics then TDK or BB did.

Yeah, Chicago didn't quite cut it for me.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm the biggest Spider-man fan there can be.I own figures,Large amount of comics{More then any character}.I loved the character since I'm five.But It doesn't blind me.I love Spider-man 2.It was my favorite movie for a long time.But I can admit The Dark Knight is the better film.It's the same with the 90's Animated series.I love it to death and it got me into the world of Spider-man.But I don't think anyone can tell me it's better Then Batman:The Animated Series.I love the character of Spider-man a lot more then Batman but in this instances Batman is better.

its all about opinions I enjoyed SSM more than BTAS. JL/JLU is still my favorite of all time though.

 

[Adrian89]

ugh...... Personally you like Spiderman 2 better, but The Dark Knight is easily the superior film. I mean seriously, grow up. I like Dirty Harry more than The Godfather, but I respect and know the The Godfather is easily the superior film.

I agree! I preffer SM2 over TDK also, even though TDK is the superior movie here, obviously. It was nearly perfect, while SM2 had it's flaws and some things simply weren't done like they should've been done.