What....If any....Classic Bond elements would you like to see in Bond 23 ?

[Matt]

I don't think Denise is anymore annoying than half of Moore's Bond girls and far less so than Halle Berry. But yeah, she is a terrible actress.

That movie has a good villain in Renard, Brosnan's best performance and an actually good plot that utilizes Judi Dench's M the best to date and is the only one where in a surprise twist, the main Bond villain turns out to really be the Bond girl. All the scenes between Bond and Sophie Marceau were good. When Bond executes her, it is Brosnan's best Bond moment in the series, I think. The action sequence at the beginning in Spain and then at MI6/the Thames River and the nuclear silo were pretty good too.

I know the skiing scene and the buzz saw chopper scene were both poorly shot/edited, but I will never get why that isn't considered one of the better Bond movies by fans. Richards is no worse of an actress than half of the other Bond girls. Take out two poorly done chase scenes (something there is more than one of in QOS) and it is much better.

I think the main problem with Richards is not that she is a bad actress (as history proves, a bad actress can make a decent Bond girl). The problem is she is entirely wrong for the role. It is impossible to take her seriously as a nuclear physicist. And since that is such a large aspect of the movie, it makes it very difficult to watch. But I agree, it is underrated. It hardly deserves its rank as 3rd worst and 5th worst Bond movie of all time as listed by MSN and IGN, respectively.

I think TWINE is much underrated. A good improvement on TND, the return of Robbie Coltrane was most welcome, and Sophie Marceau was great. Just bought it on DVD, looking forward to seeing it soon!

Unfortunately though, they turn Coltrane into comic relief instead of the bad ass ex-KBG turned Russian mob boss of Goldeneye.

I'm sorry, but could you please put spoilers in spoiler tags? Thank you.

Umm, the movie is ten years old and outdates this site. I think the statute of limitations on spoilers are expired.

 

[Brian Braddock]

All that earlier talk of Travelyan and the whole 'Bond-gone bad' angle got me thinking;

Imagine an 'M-gone bad'.

Imagine if the head of Quantum (which could eventually become S.P..E.C.T.R.E.) was found to be the previous 'M' (and, no, I'm not talking about Bernard Lee - for any prospective wise-asses out there t; who maybe became dissillusioned with working for the goverment and worked behind the scenes to establishing an organisation for personal gain.

After all, it's feasible that someone who knows the intelligence game so intimately would be the best candidate to establish such an organisation (I'm thinking Inpsector Dreyfuss in 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again' but played straight) given their level of knowledge, contacts and influence.

Such a person would have had access to a lot of secrets that Bond and M are privvy to, would have an idea of their measures and counter-measures (just like Trevelyan); not to mention they could have possibly tempted a few 00's to join them as well as the usual 'rogues gallery' of criminals.

How that would get Dench's M's back up, knowing that her predesessor is gunning for 'world domination' - I'd imagine her professional pride would make for some interesting decisions i.e 'I'm going to send my best man out to beat you and your men' etc.

Possibly cliched, I accept; but I'd like to think the idea has possibilites if approached correctly.

 

[Matt]

All that earlier talk of Travelyan and the whole 'Bond-gone bad' angle got me thinking;

Imagine an 'M-gone bad'.

Imagine if the head of Quantum (which could eventually become S.P..E.C.T.R.E.) was found to be the previous 'M' (and, no, I'm not talking about Bernard Lee - for any prospective wise-asses out there t; who maybe became dissillusioned with working for the goverment and worked behind the scenes to establishing an organisation for personal gain.

After all, it's feasible that someone who knows the intelligence game so intimately would be the best candidate to establish such an organisation (I'm thinking Inpsector Dreyfuss in 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again' but played straight) given their level of knowledge, contacts and influence.

Such a person would have had access to a lot of secrets that Bond and M are privvy to, would have an idea of their measures and counter-measures (just like Trevelyan); not to mention they could have possibly tempted a few 00's to join them as well as the usual 'rogues gallery' of criminals.

How that would get Dench's M's back up, knowing that her predesessor is gunning for 'world domination' - I'd imagine her professional pride would make for some interesting decisions i.e 'I'm going to send my best man out to beat you and your men' etc.

Possibly cliched, I accept; but I'd like to think the idea has possibilites if approached correctly.

That is a GREAT idea! It would explain how Quantam has agents "everywhere." Plus it could make a past connection to Bond on some level, which would make it truly personal.

Alas though, the only person who should play this role is Connery, and there is no way I could see him doing it, unfortunately.

 

[The Sage]

That is a GREAT idea! It would explain how Quantam has agents "everywhere." Plus it could make a past connection to Bond on some level, which would make it truly personal.

Alas though, the only person who should play this role is Connery, and there is no way I could see him doing it, unfortunately.

What about Dalton?

 

[Matt]

What about Dalton?

I suppose he could, but it would lack the cool factor of Connery. If anyone other than Connery were to do such a role, I'd want Brosnan. But I don't think he'd do it because EON kinda screwed him in terms of Casino Royale (didn't even have the common curteousy to tell him he had been fired prior to the announcement of Craig).

 

[November Rain]

fired, didn't he only sign up for four?

 

[Golgo-13]

i missed the gunbarrel bond turns and shot scene in this film, i always love how bond films start out like that

Most fans did. I don't think the film makers understand this.....


I'm listening to the Live and Let Die commentary right now, and Sir Roger Moore mentions something that i hadn't noticed before:

During HIS stint at Bond he NEVER says "I'd like a Vodka martini. Shaken not stirred" in any of his films. In the commentary Moore states that the film makers of LALD didn't want him sounding like Connery.

 

[Matt]

fired, didn't he only sign up for four?

Yes, but for quite awhile there were rumors that Brosnan was re-negotiating for a fifth. Later in an interview with Playboy Brosnan revealed that he felt EON strung him along, in order to keep him around if they could not find a replacement and then unceremoniously dumped him the second they did.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Umm, the movie is ten years old and outdates this site. I think the statute of limitations on spoilers are expired.

I thought he was talking about QoS, my mistake.

 

[The Sage]

I suppose he could, but it would lack the cool factor of Connery. If anyone other than Connery were to do such a role, I'd want Brosnan. But I don't think he'd do it because EON kinda screwed him in terms of Casino Royale (didn't even have the common curteousy to tell him he had been fired prior to the announcement of Craig).

Seeing Brosnan and Dench together interacting would be too weird, lol.

 

[Matt]

Seeing Brosnan and Dench together interacting would be too weird, lol.

Very true, though I would lose it if he called her the, "Evil queen of numbers," as a nod to Goldeneye

 

[Golgo-13]

Brosnon was a great Bond, despite the films.

It's funny cause my family is split about who's the best Bond.

My mother is a Connery fan. She also think Craig is too UGLY to be Bond!

My dad has no favorite.

Me and my older sister grew up in the Moore era, so he's our fav.

My younger sister only starting getting into Bond at the end of Moore's stint, so she grew up with Moore, then Dalton and then Pierce. She like's Brosnon the best and doesn't really like Craig.

 

[The Sage]

Brosnon was a great Bond, despite the films.

He was. I can actually watch his movies and not be annoyed because of him.

 

[November Rain]

the fact none of them chose the DALTON shows they are all brought up on lies and deceit

 

[Ace of Knaves]

the fact none of them chose the DALTON shows they are all brought up on lies and deceit

Yea Dalton's stint as Bond was toooooo short. He was awesome, as were the films he was in.

 

[Matt]

the fact none of them chose the DALTON shows they are all brought up on lies and deceit

Dalton is overrated. Fleming purists need to realize that movie Bond became an entity in and of itself. They are two very different characters and Dalton was far too out-of-character seeing as he was playing movie Bond.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Dalton is overrated. Fleming purists need to realize that movie Bond became an entity in and of itself. They are two very different characters and Dalton was far too out-of-character seeing as he was playing movie Bond.

Over-rated? I think he is under-rated.

 

[Matt]

Over-rated? I think he is under-rated.

Okay, overrated by people who have a hard-on for the Fleming books (which in all honesty have a greater legacy than they deserve. Film Bond made the books, not the other way around, in my opinion. They are incredibly dry reads.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Okay, overrated by people who have a hard-on for the Fleming books (which in all honesty have a greater legacy than they deserve. Film Bond made the books, not the other way around, in my opinion. They are incredibly dry reads.

I've never read any of the books. I just thought he was a bad ass and The Living Daylights is one of my favourite Bond films.

 

[Golgo-13]

I've never read any of the books. I just thought he was a bad ass and The Living Daylights is one of my favourite Bond films.

Ditto.

 

[Golgo-13]

the fact none of them chose the DALTON shows they are all brought up on lies and deceit

WTF are you talking about?

They like Dalton he just wasn't a fav.

 

[Brian Braddock]

That is a GREAT idea! It would explain how Quantam has agents "everywhere." Plus it could make a past connection to Bond on some level, which would make it truly personal.

Alas though, the only person who should play this role is Connery, and there is no way I could see him doing it, unfortunately.

Thanks.

Although I actually wouldnt like to see any past Bonds in the role as it possibly might be too distracting for the general audience;

I was thinking more along the lines of Edward Fox; who as I'm sure everyone is aware, was actually 'M' in 'Never Say Never Again' - so when I say that the head of Quantum used to be M, technically, I'm not lying.

t:

 

[The Sarge]

I really want to see Blofeld done right. The only blofeld depicton I liked was Donald Pleasance. Every actor after him just seemed not as good. He had the scar, and that wide eyed stare, but also a certain sense of class. The other actors just didn't feel like the same character. And then of course, he wasn't killed properly.
I want to see Blofeld introduced to this new franchise, in this more realistic setting. and I want him to have a proper exit too. . . I also want him to kill bonds wife again.

 

[The Guard]

I would love to see a mature take on Blofeld. An M gone bad, or an evil counterpart for M, would be fantastic. I won't be a bit surprised if that's who Mr. White turns out to be. The head of Quantum, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

 

[wobbly]

I would love to see a mature take on Blofeld. An M gone bad, or an evil counterpart for M, would be fantastic. I won't be a bit surprised if that's who Mr. White turns out to be. The head of Quantum, and Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Yup, I think that's what they have in mind too (using colors for operative names rather than numbers maybe). Would be a good reveal too, as Bond had the man at his mercy in QOS.

Afaik, there's no longer that old legal problem stopping them using Spectre & Blofeld again so it would be neat to have them return.