What....If any....Classic Bond elements would you like to see in Bond 23 ?

[wobbly]

I really want to see Blofeld done right. The only blofeld depicton I liked was Donald Pleasance. Every actor after him just seemed not as good. He had the scar, and that wide eyed stare, but also a certain sense of class. The other actors just didn't feel like the same character. And then of course, he wasn't killed properly.
I want to see Blofeld introduced to this new franchise, in this more realistic setting. and I want him to have a proper exit too. . . I also want him to kill bonds wife again.

I liked the voice of the guy in the earlier films when we never saw him. A little OTT by todays standards I guess, but he had that cultured and sinister tone nailed.
Thought Max Von Snydow was also pretty good in NSNA. Worst for me (by far) was Telly Savalas.

 

[The Joker]

Worst for me (by far) was Telly Savalas.

Worse than Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever?

 

[itsthebatman]

Worse than Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever?

Jaysus. Don't remind me. Telly was great in OHMSS, thought he continuity issues are confusing (Blofeld doesn't recognise Bond, the guy he had at gunpoint in the Japanese volcano lair in YOLT?).
Love the idea of QUANTUM being the anti-MI6, and M having an evil counterpart. If not Blofedl, this anti-M at least has to have a white cat. I demand it!

 

[Golgo-13]

Yea Dalton's stint as Bond was toooooo short. He was awesome, as were the films he was in.

Why exactly didn't he continue? I know the studio wanted Brosnon but he got locked in his Remington Steele contract, spitefully, so they went with Dalton. Not sure of the story why Dalton didn't continue. He was great in TLD.

 

[itsthebatman]

Why exactly didn't he continue? I know the studio wanted Brosnon but he got locked in his Remington Steele contract, spitefully, so they went with Dalton. Not sure of the story why Dalton didn't continue. He was great in TLD.

From what I read, the series got bogged down in a legal quagmire over the rights to the character after Licence to Kill. Dalton hung around, waiting for the call, but officially resigned from the role in early 94, I think. I agree, would have been nice to see him in a few more movies. I particularly think The Living Daylights is a great Bond film.

EDIT: Hot off the Wikipedia presses:
In 1989, the same year of his second appearance, MGM/UA was sold to the Australian based broadcasting group Quintex, which wanted to merge the company with Pathé. Danjaq, the Swiss based parent company of EON, sued MGM/UA because the Bond back catalogue was being licensed to Pathé, who intended to broadcast the series on television in several countries worldwide without the approval of Danjaq. These legal disputes engendered a six-year hiatus in the series. Nonetheless, official pre-production of another film began in May 1990, in order to be released in late 1991. Generic promotional materials for "Bond 17" were unveiled at the Cannes Film Festival at around the same time. A detailed story draft, widely available online and spread over 17 pages, was written by Alfonso Ruggiero Jr. and Michael G. Wilson. The 'Imagineering' division of Walt Disney Studios were also involved in the film's development at some point, specifically in the development of the high-tech robots prominent in that early treatment.[58]

Owing to the legal disputes, Dalton's third film's production was postponed up to 1994. In an interview in 1993, Timothy Dalton said that Michael France was writing the story for the film, which was due to begin production in January or February 1994.[59] It never began and in April 1994, Dalton resigned from the role.[60]

 

[Golgo-13]

Another favorite quote i like is from DAD:

Bond: "Can I expect the pleasure of you in Iceland?
Miranda Fox: "I'm afraid you'll never have that pleasure, Mr. Bond.."
Bond: [sarcastic] "oooooo.....!"

And from Moonraker:

Drax : You seem to have missed, Mr. Bond (Sniper falls from tree)
Bond: Did I?


This site is where i find the exact wording:

http://www.jamesbondwiki.com/page/James+Bond+Quotes?t=anon

 

[wobbly]

Worse than Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever?

Yes. Gray is second worse for me, but that was as much down to films plot and him being in drag than his hammy acting. Savalas for me was just totally miscast.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think any chance of a Donald Pleasance-esque Blofeld being re-introduced in the franchise is next to zero.

Sadly, I'd say that incarnation has been forever ruined by Mike Myers' Dr.Evil; surely no one could try and do a serious take after all the comedic parodying of the character that went on in the Austin Powers movies?

I know it's a totally different franchise but it has put the 'easy to lampoon' aspects of the character in the public consciousness.

 

[November Rain]

Dalton is overrated. Fleming purists need to realize that movie Bond became an entity in and of itself. They are two very different characters and Dalton was far too out-of-character seeing as he was playing movie Bond.

How can dalton be overrated, he only did two films and 99% of people hate his bond

 

[Matt]

How can dalton be overrated, he only did two films and 99% of people hate his bond

I've already clarified that I meant to say over-rated amongst Fleming snobs.

 

[Eggyman]

I've already clarified that I meant to say over-rated amongst Fleming snobs.

I like his Bond, and I'm not really a Fleming fan... although I really like Casino Royale the book. I think at Dalton's best he had a cold heart and serious character, which had been missing since Connery. His bad points? My only problem with him is his lack of charm - he has as much as a brick wall. I can never really see him as a Bond that can go to a party for five minutes, pull a bird, get in her knickers, and be out an hour later. He just hasn't got that quality. Ride in your instrument case, sure. Get in your knickers, no.

He's good. But not that good.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I like his Bond, and I'm not really a Fleming fan... although I really like Casino Royale the book. I think at Dalton's best he had a cold heart and serious character, which had been missing since Connery. His bad points? My only problem with him is his lack of charm - he has as much as a brick wall. I can never really see him as a Bond that can go to a party for five minutes, pull a bird, get in her knickers, and be out an hour later. He just hasn't got that quality. Ride in your instrument case, sure. Get in your knickers, no.

He's good. But not that good.

Yea but he was the manager of Somerfields!!! Girls love that!

 

[itsthebatman]

Yea but he was the manager of Somerfields!!! Girls love that!

Simon Skinner: Lock me up.
Nicholas Angel: I'm sorry?
Simon Skinner: I'm a slasher! I must be stopped!
Nicholas Angel: You're a what?
Simon Skinner: A slasher... of prices! I'm Simon Skinner - I run the local supermarché. Drop in see me later - my discounts are *criminal*.

Love that movie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Q

Some of these nifty gadgets Bond has used could have been introduced with a comic relief tech guy. Dont need cheesy jetpacks and such

BRING BACK CLEESE

 

[Golgo-13]

but didnt this really start with the first craig movie? thats why i refused to see either of his movies, hes not james bond. they need to get back to basics, as in, NOT scrapping who james bond is and what makes him cool, but embracing his original tone but with still keeping with the classic bond things like:

shooting into the circle and blood falling

martini, shaken not stirred

making the women more of a damsel in distress with an edge but NOT
making them "equal to bond". this has been proven to ruin the films, look at halle berry in die another day, or even in this new QoS

gadgets. doesnt have to have a boatload like batman, but at least a few.

memorable villians. nothin memorable or noteworthy about the craig villians thats for sure.

however, with all these suggestions, please, dont bring back Q because, if its not desmond elewyn (RIP) its not gonna ever be the same. john cleese was proof of that.

oh yeah, about the poll, surprisingly, i voted for moneypenny. glad to see im not alone in this, there exchanges are ussually pretty damn good. since moneypenny has been recast before, rather successfully, i would llove to see her in the franchise again. she always added that little bit of humour that IMO is needed in a bond movie, ussually at the end or the begining.

CR did take out certain Bond elements, but it still felt like a Bond movie. However, with QoS they took out EVEN MORE Bond elements and that's what i have a problem with. It's like the film makers are testing the waters to see what they can do away with. I mean how the hell can't they make "My name is Bond, James Bond" work in the movie? That's the b.s reason why they say it wasn't used in QoS, and i'm not buying it....

 

[gwynplaine]

Better villains. Le Chiffre was cool and Cr was great. But I would like to see a more physically menacing villain in the line of Shaw in FRWL, or even Kiel in TSWLM.

 

[The Batman]

nothing memorable about craigs villains?

Le Chiffre is the best bond villain since 006 for the torture scene alone

 

[gwynplaine]

nothing memorable about craigs villains?

Le Chiffre is the best bond villain since 006 for the torture scene alone

Agreed. Never said nothing memorable, Le Chiffre was great and Mads the perfect casting for the part.

 

[The Batman]

Dalton is overrated. Fleming purists need to realize that movie Bond became an entity in and of itself. They are two very different characters and Dalton was far too out-of-character seeing as he was playing movie Bond.

I agree. As much as I like the fleming books, i realize that film bond is not even remotely the same as book bond. Some fleming fans swear up and down that dalton and lazenby were the absolute best actors to play 007 when they were slightly above average at best. Then, they hate on roger moore, but I've got to say, besides connery, moore is the only james bond who isnt copying another bond actor in some way shape or form.

 

[The Batman]

Agreed. Never said nothing memorable, Le Chiffre was great and Mads the perfect casting for the part.

i dont know how superdude can even make statements like that when he hasnt even seen craig's movies...

 

[Matt]

I like his Bond, and I'm not really a Fleming fan... although I really like Casino Royale the book. I think at Dalton's best he had a cold heart and serious character, which had been missing since Connery. His bad points? My only problem with him is his lack of charm - he has as much as a brick wall. I can never really see him as a Bond that can go to a party for five minutes, pull a bird, get in her knickers, and be out an hour later. He just hasn't got that quality. Ride in your instrument case, sure. Get in your knickers, no.

He's good. But not that good.

I think a lot of people forget that Roger Moore did play a pretty vicious Bond. I mean, he had no problem killing someone in cold blood. He shot Scaramanga in the back in The Man With the Golden Gun. In The Spy Who Loved Me, he throws a henchman right off a building (after the henchman complies with his interrogation and answers Bond's question). Plus he shoots an unarmed Stromberg execution style, just to name a few examples. Granted, he will make a witty quip afterwards, but he was still a pretty vicious killer. The myth of Roger Moore's Bond is greatly exaggerated. Yes, he was funnier...but its not as if he was some incompetent, slap stick, moron.

 

[The Batman]

The mere fact that moore's bond does make quips after he kills people makes him a pretty cold bastard...

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think a lot of people forget that Roger Moore did play a pretty vicious Bond. I mean, he had no problem killing someone in cold blood. He shot Scaramanga in the back in The Man With the Golden Gun. In The Spy Who Loved Me, he throws a henchman right off a building (after the henchman complies with his interrogation and answers Bond's question). Plus he shoots an unarmed Stromberg execution style, just to name a few examples. Granted, he will make a witty quip afterwards, but he was still a pretty vicious killer. The myth of Roger Moore's Bond is greatly exaggerated. Yes, he was funnier...but its not as if he was some incompetent, slap stick, moron.

For me it's not that they didn't have his Bond do some viscous things, it's the way Moore carries himself and the way he fights that has always looked way out of sync for a supposed trained killer.

 

[Franklin Richards]

John Wayne didn't look like Bruce Lee when he moved either.


But are you gonna call The Duke a *****?


Same with Bond. They'll shoot your ass.

 

[Hunter Rider]

John Wayne didn't look like Bruce Lee when he moved either.


But are you gonna call The Duke a *****?


Same with Bond. They'll shoot your ass.

John Wayne was a mans man badass type of character, he walked and carried himself like he could beat your ass, Moore moved like he couldn't Punch his way out of a paper bag.