The Dark Knight Rises What I've realized about Chris Nolan's Batman...

[Julio Alejandro]

You have the right idea.

 

[scatterax]

You have the right idea.

who?

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Previous post.

 

[scatterax]

so the 1 b4 mine. gotcha.

(i wasn't expecting any1 2 agree w/ me anyway)

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Why not?

 

[The Major]

I dont agree with that all, name me 20 classic stories that helped define and shape comicbook storytelling from anyother DC character besides Batman?

Good stories aren't just limited by defining a medium.

You can't do it with film, novels, tv or comics.

They're still good, just not on that level of success.

Batman's had the best stories because the character lends itself to a bunch of different interpretations.

Other characters have good interpretations its just WB rarely does a good job with their versions or not use them that much at all.

There's really only one way to do Superman or Wonderwoman or Flash or GL, anytime they deviate it really never works.

They've only made very few versions of these characters in adaptions.

The level of technology, quality and audience expectation can change, too. They never could have made a good Flash, GL or Steel movie until very recently.

WW was a success in both Linda Carter's tv show and in JLU.

Carter's version doesn't hold up in this era, either. Nor does is it live up to the franchise's creative potential.

Batman isn't as stringent, and he has the greatest villains hands down, ultimately, the hero can only be as good as what he's up against, this is where Batman trumps everyone else, easily

Exactly how many comics have you read? Batman may have good villains but that doesn't mean he has the only good villains or characters in the comic medium.

Watchmen & The Dark Knight Returns, both released around the same time helped to usher in new storytelling, it was never just Watchmen alone.

Watchmen shouldn't have done **** according to you since it didn't have a popular character in it.

I would also point out that Watchmen is just one contained story, TDKR is just one of at least 15 great Batman stories that almost anyone would consider classic or influential

Batman is not the only serial comic franchise with good stories in it.

Of course it was due to alot of that, but Heath Ledger wouldn't have been involved if not for the quality of BB, Nolan wouldn't have done BB if not for the quality of the books he was influenced by.

Naturally he's going to go to Batman because WB has done a good job introducing the public to its mythos in good versions.

Most lesser franchises DC has to get lucky if they got any positive attention at all. Then if WB screws up the franchise is either in limbo for 20 years or permanently out of luck for any future adaptions. Potential wasted for nothing.

Nolan probably hadn't read a comic book in his life before he got BB. That's how successful WB had done in establishing the franchise with the public.

Let's not forget Batman '89 had almost none of what you mentioned, and for its time, was just as huge.

Of course it had all that.

Batman was a cultural icon before Burton got to him thanks to Adam West's tv show, merchandising and cartoons for generations.

It was a franchise WB had enough faith in to green light a big budget movie for with an all-star cast. The only franchise with that treatment was Superman. Its only recently the lesser franchises have gotten close to that but they still didn't get the same quality or dedication. Selina Kyle and her mythos wasn't even in the movie with her brand on it. She was forgotten while a new character and mythos which had no connection to the Batman franchise took her place or appearance in any other medium could cash in on Selina's franchise name which had been build on for generations.

Even Adam West's interpretation was classic for its time period as well.

Exactly, its a classic but only its time period. Today it's a cultural joke which relies totally on nostalgia for interest.

It's not that WB does a poor job with its other characters,

Which makes it harder for the public to like them. Why would they be interested the crappiest version of a character they never knew before over one who they can see the full potential? Though that cannot save them if their adaption is terrible. Either of these will kill that franchise at its weakest point for exposure to the public.

Batman wouldn't have got TDK if they treated him the same way.

its other characters just aren't as strong as Batman is, that's really all there is to it.

I disagree.

Of course it comes down to quality,

It's a pretty big thing they need to be a success.

and Batman can't do **** unless people make him do it.

This affects other adaptions must more negatively since they don't get Hollywood's respect or their best vision to get the best treatment. Without that of course they'll fail.

The problem is, most of the greatest artists and writers in comic history, for some reason, seem to come up with classic stories for Batman and noone else.

He isn't the only one who writers and artists can make great stories with.

The industry does have lots of stories about lesser franchises which good stories. They may not be classics the general public knows about and some may have cult followings but they're not unreadable crap.

Blade, Iron Man and Hellboy were some of these characters. They are far from being the only ones which have the potential to do this.

It's because of the richness of the character. You change too many things or add to much darkness to Superman or WW or GL or Flash and it does. not. work.

Have you read Rucka's WW? How about Sinestro Corps War?

Flash has always been lighter but he can be dark at times. Zoom forced Wally to watch Zoom giving Linda an abortion after she got pregnant in the past on a continuous loop once. That sound like fun to you?

Change for WW is actually needed to restore her franchise to her roots for the public. The closest the public has seen her full potential is JLU. Her mythos is still virtually unknown by the general public. A good big budget film or quality cartoon series would allow that to happen.

This didn't just happen, like I said, Batman has had the best of everything in almost all media forever,

Which gives him a tremendous edge in Hollywood and the public actually knowing more about him so they're more inclined to get whatever has him in then a new thing they never saw before.

its because of who he is, his motivations, the fact that he has no powers and he's relatable, the fact that people can see within him things in themselves.

You honestly think every other character in comics is unrelatable? That he's the only hero in the industry without powers? That they have no motivations? No people they care about? No good villains to fight? No internal struggles? Just two dimensional human blobs which do nothing?

You couldn't be any more wrong.

Anyone who's ever lost somebody close to them can identify with the emotions that drive Batman to do what he does, IMO,

Most of the super-hero population has done that. It's generally in their origins or in their history.

thats what keeps him so strong and fresh after all these years, you can't get that from any other hero

I agree it has kept him strong but he is not the only comic book super-hero with such potential.

But why is that? All Nolan really did was return the character to his roots, using what was always there in the comics that Burton & Schumacher didn't bother to read.

Other comic character do have good roots. Unfortunately they don't have good big budget movies or quality solo cartoons to remind and educate people about it. Without that they could have the greatest story in the medium and no-one outside comic readers would know about it.

Nolan wouldn't be able to have any of this success if it weren't for the classic stories that are littered throughout Batman's catalogue.

Which he never would have known existed had Batman not been a multi-media icon which WB did their best to convince the public to like.

If he had been a comic reader he would have known all comic series don't always have to be well known to be good or to have enormous potential as concepts.

His Joker is for all intents and purposes a mix of The Killing Joke & his first two appearances. If he were permawhite, it would've been almost exact.

If you think other characters don't have the same potential you should read more.

Read Essential Moon Knight Vol. 1 and 2, Daredevil: Born Again, Huntress: Cry For Blood, Manhunter: Street Justice, WW: Eyes of the Gorgon, WW: Down to Earth, Huntress: Year One, DD: Man Without Fear, DD: Born Again, Birds of Prey: Sensei and Student, Black Panther: The Client. There are more good stories then those, too.

Nolan was just smart enough to use what was there, where others didn't

If only other lesser franchises at DC had that creative vision to look at their good stories.

 

[The Major]

well, i agree that batman has the best dc villains. personally i've alway liked spidey's a tad more. but that's a different story for a different day.

Having the best villains doesn't make very other villain the worst.

 

[Anita18]

That could work. But please with no girl defeating him. Being a minor villiain shouldn't mean to get ridiculed like that as a character.

What do you have against women defeating a villain? I was so glad she wasn't the typical useless damsel in distress who just stood there and screamed (coughMaryJanecough).

Although a bit of a struggle between Rachel and Scarecrow would have made Scarecrow's exit less anti-climactic, if that's what you mean.

Nolan probably hadn't rad a comic bok in his life before he got BB. That's how successful WB had done in establishing the franchise with the public.

Jonah Nolan has said that Chris gave him DKR as a birthday present when he was in his teens. So Chris was at least aware of that one.

Anyway, I don't think characters themselves have to be relatable, just the issues that they face. If you can get that right, you could go as sci-fi as you wanted and have the audience involved.

 

[The Major]

What do you have against women defeating a villain? I was so glad she wasn't the typical useless damsel in distress who just stood there and screamed (coughMaryJanecough).

Although a bit of a struggle between Rachel and Scarecrow would have made Scarecrow's exit less anti-climactic, if that's what you mean.

True.

Jonah Nolan has said that Chris gave him DKR as a birthday present when he was in his teens. So Chris was at least aware of that one.

That's great.

Did he read any more comics then that?

He sounds like the kind of guy who might have liked Priest's Black Panther, Brubaker's Captain America, Miller's, Nocenti's, Bendis and Brubaker's Daredevil, Andreyko's Manhunter, Huntress: Cry For Blood, and Moench's Moon Knight.

Anyway, I don't think characters themselves have to be relatable, just the issues that they face. If you can get that right, you could go as sci-fi as you wanted and have the audience involved.

Even the most fantastic characters can be relatable. It's all about showing elements in their personalities the audience can understand.

 

[Anita18]

That's great.

Did he read any more comics then that?

He sounds like the kind of guy who might have liked Priest's Black Panther, Brubaker's Captain America, Miller's, Nocenti's, Bendis and Brubaker's Daredevil, Andreyko's Manhunter, Huntress: Cry For Blood, and Moench's Moon Knight.

I imagine that he obviously read more comics once he got the Batman gig, although he didn't consider himself knowledgeable enough, which is why he got David Goyer to work with him.

But Nolan clearly had been interested in the character all along, since he had to convince WB he was right for the job. He searched them out, they didn't go to him.

Even the most fantastic characters can be relatable. It's all about showing elements in their personalities the audience can understand.

True. Although it's all too easy to get "ooh" and "ahh"ed by the superpowers, and forget about the person wielding them.

 

[The Major]

I imagine that he obviously read more comics once he got the Batman gig, although he didn't consider himself knowledgeable enough,

I wasn't meaning just comics about Batman. I mean other series similar to Batman.

The industry is full of them.

which is why he got David Goyer to work with him.

I can understand that. Even if he was a hardcore comic reader it would be a good move.

But Nolan clearly had been interested in the character all along, since he had to convince WB he was right for the job. He searched them out, they didn't go to him.

Makes sense.

Unlike the others WB had given Batman much more exposure so they know about their mythos.

True. Although it's all too easy to get "ooh" and "ahh"ed by the superpowers, and forget about the person wielding them.

That just means the person adapting it needs to be more skilled since its easier to mess up.

 

[baerrtt]

Good stories aren't just limited by defining a medium.

You can't do it with film, novels, tv or comics.

They're still good, just not on that level of success.



Other characters have good interpretations its just WB rarely does a good job with their versions or not use them that much at all.



They've only made very few versions of these characters in adaptions.

The level of technology, quality and audience expectation can change, too. They never could have made a good Flash, GL or Steel movie until very recently.

WW was a success in both Linda Carter's tv show and in JLU.

Carter's version doesn't hold up in this era, either. Nor does is it live up to the franchise's creative potential.



Exactly how many comics have you read? Batman may have good villains but that doesn't mean he has the only good villains or characters in the comic medium.



Watchmen shouldn't have done **** according to you since it didn't have a popular character in it.



Batman is not the only serial comic franchise with good stories in it.



Naturally he's going to go to Batman because WB has done a good job introducing the public to its mythos in good versions.

Most lesser franchises DC has to get lucky if they got any positive attention at all. Then if WB screws up the franchise is either in limbo for 20 years or permanently out of luck for any future adaptions. Potential wasted for nothing.

Nolan probably hadn't read a comic book in his life before he got BB. That's how successful WB had done in establishing the franchise with the public.



Of course it had all that.

Batman was a cultural icon before Burton got to him thanks to Adam West's tv show, merchandising and cartoons for generations.

It was a franchise WB had enough faith in to green light a big budget movie for with an all-star cast. The only franchise with that treatment was Superman. Its only recently the lesser franchises have gotten close to that but they still didn't get the same quality or dedication. Selina Kyle and her mythos wasn't even in the movie with her brand on it. She was forgotten while a new character and mythos which had no connection to the Batman franchise took her place or appearance in any other medium could cash in on Selina's franchise name which had been build on for generations.



Exactly, its a classic but only its time period. Today it's a cultural joke which relies totally on nostalgia for interest.



Which makes it harder for the public to like them. Why would they be interested the crappiest version of a character they never knew before over one who they can see the full potential? Though that cannot save them if their adaption is terrible. Either of these will kill that franchise at its weakest point for exposure to the public.

Batman wouldn't have got TDK if they treated him the same way.



I disagree.



It's a pretty big thing they need to be a success.



This affects other adaptions must more negatively since they don't get Hollywood's respect or their best vision to get the best treatment. Without that of course they'll fail.



He isn't the only one who writers and artists can make great stories with.

The industry does have lots of stories about lesser franchises which good stories. They may not be classics the general public knows about and some may have cult followings but they're not unreadable crap.

Blade, Iron Man and Hellboy were some of these characters. They are far from being the only ones which have the potential to do this.



Have you read Rucka's WW? How about Sinestro Corps War?

Flash has always been lighter but he can be dark at times. Zoom forced Wally to watch Zoom giving Linda an abortion after she got pregnant in the past on a continuous loop once. That sound like fun to you?

Change for WW is actually needed to restore her franchise to her roots for the public. The closest the public has seen her full potential is JLU. Her mythos is still virtually unknown by the general public. A good big budget film or quality cartoon series would allow that to happen.



Which gives him a tremendous edge in Hollywood and the public actually knowing more about him so they're more inclined to get whatever has him in then a new thing they never saw before.



You honestly think every other character in comics is unrelatable? That he's the only hero in the industry without powers? That they have no motivations? No people they care about? No good villains to fight? No internal struggles? Just two dimensional human blobs which do nothing?

You couldn't be any more wrong.



Most of the super-hero population has done that. It's generally in their origins or in their history.



I agree it has kept him strong but he is not the only comic book super-hero with such potential.



Other comic character do have good roots. Unfortunately they don't have good big budget movies or quality solo cartoons to remind and educate people about it. Without that they could have the greatest story in the medium and no-one outside comic readers would know about it.



Which he never would have known existed had Batman not been a multi-media icon which WB did their best to convince the public to like.

If he had been a comic reader he would have known all comic series don't always have to be well known to be good or to have enormous potential as concepts.



If you think other characters don't have the same potential you should read more.

Read Essential Moon Knight Vol. 1 and 2, Daredevil: Born Again, Huntress: Cry For Blood, Manhunter: Street Justice, WW: Eyes of the Gorgon, WW: Down to Earth, Huntress: Year One, DD: Man Without Fear, DD: Born Again, Birds of Prey: Sensei and Student, Black Panther: The Client. There are more good stories then those, too.



If only other lesser franchises at DC had that creative vision to look at their good stories.

You have very good points in responding to my post earlier and Doc Samson's. The thing for me I think (and I may be proven wrong) is that the most amazing aspect of TDK's success is that it's one of the darkest summer blockbusters (quite possibly is the darkest) to date. Yet it's huge commercial success is thanks largely to the fact that it's a BATMAN movie. Put that level of darkness in a SUPERMAN movie (or comic book) and tonally it's wrong

In other words just because other characters have done dark and serious doesn't mean that they will have (or if we keep this to the comics) or have had quite the same level of critical and commercial success and most importantly credibility the Batman stories have enjoyed. I'm not saying they should therefore (WB) **** up their properties but unlike Marvel there needs to be some perspective on what characters/styles will realistically work for a GENERAL audience.

TDK's success isn't and shouldn't be used as an example of how Hollywood should literally handle EVERY character (I'm sorry that isn't feasible). It's success is continuing proof though that if you invest a serious story using a character everybody knows about the intended audience won't run away.

 

[The Major]

You have very good points in responding to my post earlier and Doc Samson's. The thing for me I think (and I may be proven wrong) is that the most amazing aspect of TDK's success is that it's one of the darkest summer blockbusters (quite possibly is the darkest) to date. Yet it's huge commercial success is thanks largely to the fact that it's a BATMAN movie. Put that level of darkness in a SUPERMAN movie (or comic book) and tonally it's wrong

Another thing it got right was execution. It was a good movie period.

IMO that got people to like it more then just being dark. Titanic isn't as dark as TDK yet it did better at the box office. Lighter super-hero franchises like X-men, Iron Man, Fantastic Four and Spider-man have done incredibly well financially, too.

In other words just because other characters have done dark and serious doesn't mean that they will have (or if we keep this to the comics) or have had quite the same level of critical and commercial success and most importantly credibility the Batman stories have enjoyed. I'm not saying they should therefore (WB) **** up their properties but unlike Marvel there needs to be some perspective on what characters/styles will realistically work for a GENERAL audience.

TDK's success isn't and shouldn't be used as an example of how Hollywood should literally handle EVERY character (I'm sorry that isn't feasible). It's success is continuing proof though that if you invest a serious story using a character everybody knows about the intended audience won't run away.

Agreed.

 

[scatterax]

Why not?

1:cause there's allot of gungho batman fans that might get upset if they heard me say that. and 2:these are the batboards.

I kinda expected sum1 to call me an idiot, and give me some "prep-time-esque" explination for why batmans villains are "so much better" than any1 else's. but so far I've been proven wrong about how defensive the batfans can be.

(but incase you couldn't tell, he's my #2 favorite hero of all time. and by far my favorite dc hero.)

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Wow! Some of the last few posters have had alot of time on their hands.

 

[scatterax]

i generally like to skip extra long posts like those.

 

[Doc Samson]

Good stories aren't just limited by defining a medium.

You can't do it with film, novels, tv or comics.

They're still good, just not on that level of success.



Other characters have good interpretations its just WB rarely does a good job with their versions or not use them that much at all.



They've only made very few versions of these characters in adaptions.

The level of technology, quality and audience expectation can change, too. They never could have made a good Flash, GL or Steel movie until very recently.

WW was a success in both Linda Carter's tv show and in JLU.

Carter's version doesn't hold up in this era, either. Nor does is it live up to the franchise's creative potential.



Exactly how many comics have you read? Batman may have good villains but that doesn't mean he has the only good villains or characters in the comic medium.



Watchmen shouldn't have done **** according to you since it didn't have a popular character in it.



Batman is not the only serial comic franchise with good stories in it.



Naturally he's going to go to Batman because WB has done a good job introducing the public to its mythos in good versions.

Most lesser franchises DC has to get lucky if they got any positive attention at all. Then if WB screws up the franchise is either in limbo for 20 years or permanently out of luck for any future adaptions. Potential wasted for nothing.

Nolan probably hadn't read a comic book in his life before he got BB. That's how successful WB had done in establishing the franchise with the public.



Of course it had all that.

Batman was a cultural icon before Burton got to him thanks to Adam West's tv show, merchandising and cartoons for generations.

It was a franchise WB had enough faith in to green light a big budget movie for with an all-star cast. The only franchise with that treatment was Superman. Its only recently the lesser franchises have gotten close to that but they still didn't get the same quality or dedication. Selina Kyle and her mythos wasn't even in the movie with her brand on it. She was forgotten while a new character and mythos which had no connection to the Batman franchise took her place or appearance in any other medium could cash in on Selina's franchise name which had been build on for generations.



Exactly, its a classic but only its time period. Today it's a cultural joke which relies totally on nostalgia for interest.



Which makes it harder for the public to like them. Why would they be interested the crappiest version of a character they never knew before over one who they can see the full potential? Though that cannot save them if their adaption is terrible. Either of these will kill that franchise at its weakest point for exposure to the public.

Batman wouldn't have got TDK if they treated him the same way.



I disagree.



It's a pretty big thing they need to be a success.



This affects other adaptions must more negatively since they don't get Hollywood's respect or their best vision to get the best treatment. Without that of course they'll fail.



He isn't the only one who writers and artists can make great stories with.

The industry does have lots of stories about lesser franchises which good stories. They may not be classics the general public knows about and some may have cult followings but they're not unreadable crap.

Blade, Iron Man and Hellboy were some of these characters. They are far from being the only ones which have the potential to do this.



Have you read Rucka's WW? How about Sinestro Corps War?

Flash has always been lighter but he can be dark at times. Zoom forced Wally to watch Zoom giving Linda an abortion after she got pregnant in the past on a continuous loop once. That sound like fun to you?

Change for WW is actually needed to restore her franchise to her roots for the public. The closest the public has seen her full potential is JLU. Her mythos is still virtually unknown by the general public. A good big budget film or quality cartoon series would allow that to happen.



Which gives him a tremendous edge in Hollywood and the public actually knowing more about him so they're more inclined to get whatever has him in then a new thing they never saw before.



You honestly think every other character in comics is unrelatable? That he's the only hero in the industry without powers? That they have no motivations? No people they care about? No good villains to fight? No internal struggles? Just two dimensional human blobs which do nothing?

You couldn't be any more wrong.



Most of the super-hero population has done that. It's generally in their origins or in their history.



I agree it has kept him strong but he is not the only comic book super-hero with such potential.



Other comic character do have good roots. Unfortunately they don't have good big budget movies or quality solo cartoons to remind and educate people about it. Without that they could have the greatest story in the medium and no-one outside comic readers would know about it.



Which he never would have known existed had Batman not been a multi-media icon which WB did their best to convince the public to like.

If he had been a comic reader he would have known all comic series don't always have to be well known to be good or to have enormous potential as concepts.



If you think other characters don't have the same potential you should read more.

Read Essential Moon Knight Vol. 1 and 2, Daredevil: Born Again, Huntress: Cry For Blood, Manhunter: Street Justice, WW: Eyes of the Gorgon, WW: Down to Earth, Huntress: Year One, DD: Man Without Fear, DD: Born Again, Birds of Prey: Sensei and Student, Black Panther: The Client. There are more good stories then those, too.



If only other lesser franchises at DC had that creative vision to look at their good stories.

Basically, its seems that for whatever reason, you have some kind of love for a DC character that you feel hasn't been shown the proper respect yet. And you believe that once it has, it will have the same level of success, or at least close to, that of Batman. My point to you, is that WB really has nothing to do with Batman's success, Batman in the medium that he comes from, easily has the best stories of any other character, that's pretty much a given. Yes I've read comics all my life, I've grown up on it and my real name actually comes from a comic book, so to answer your question, I do have a faint idea of where I'm coming from, and just may have just as much insight as you do, please don't patronize a fellow comic enthusiast.

Batman has loads of interpretations and elements they can use for other media, from the early camp to the noir to the dark and gritty realism, and most of the time, it's been successful. I never said Watchmen needed a popular character in it to be classic, I just stated TDKR is just one story of Batman's that is on the same level of Watchmen. Watchmen is a limited series, Batman has been ongoing for years and has plenty of stories that rank right up there. It's because of the character, I'm not disrespecting other heroes in DC's catalogue by saying that, its the truth.


In this day and age, people like their heroes a little grittier, for whatever reason. WB right now is planning on a "darker" Superman and that's a huge mistake. Superman isn't that kind of hero, neither is Captain America or Spiderman, or half of DC's roster. Most of DC's heroes are god-like, cosmic, supreme type beings, which very well could make for interesting stories, but just how many have they had in comics already to be drawn from? Honestly? How many of those stories have influenced the comic medium on a whole? I can give you the Batman stories, I'm interested in these other stories I must've missed.

The villains aspect is also a huge part of why Batman is successful and you can't deny that. How many times have they used Lex Luthor already? There's a reason for that, although Brainiac and a few others can be just as good, there just isn't too much you can throw against Superman and have it be interesting. The only reason Lex Luthor is somewhat interesting is because he's smarter than Supes and Clark has morals, so he can't just punch his head clean off and end all that nonsense. Spiderman is another that has strong villains that can last for years and years of different interpretations and stories. He's also the most relatable of the Marvel Heroes and what do'ya know, he's also the most successful. I just don't know who you think is waiting in the wings that DC has screwed over for so many years that will come out and just crush the superhero landscape. Batman can do that, because he always has, in comics, tv, and movies, it all goes hand in hand, and its not because of WB marketing because they have nothing to do with the stories that helped shape Batman's existence from the beginning. EVERYBODY knows Batman because he's been a pillar of comicbooks from his inception, unless its Superman or Spidey, no other hero can really compete with that.

Ironman was a good example of what a great superhero movie based closely to its comic can do, and I think some DC heroes can accomplish that, I never disagreed with that, but to me, it seemed like your argument was that ANY character can reach Batman level success if its treated right, and I just don't see that as feasible.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

I think it takes more intelligence and creativity to make cartoon characters look and feel real, with 3 dimensions to them, and actually make them threatning.

 

[TimidationGame]

In this day and age, people like their heroes a little grittier, for whatever reason. WB right now is planning on a "darker" Superman and that's a huge mistake. Superman isn't that kind of hero, neither is Captain America or Spiderman, or half of DC's roster.

Some people like ME, don't really flip through the comics a lot and seen a darker Supes in JLU at times and liked it. I liked seeing him falable when he was tempted (or did) take out Luthor. I liked seeing his interactions when Cadmus was in full swing. Just my opinion and observations, but I would not consider myself a great barometer of what the public would like to see Supes as. I was not overly fond of the dark Spidey though, and I hope to god they do Cap all the justice Hollywood can.

 

[scatterax]

I think they need to do a superman movie to be a lil like the 90's cartoon in the sence that he needs to be a nice, all american boyscout guy who doesn't take any crap from any of his villains. (or anyone who he disagrees w/)

 

[TheBat812]

I think it takes more intelligence and creativity to make cartoon characters look and feel real, with 3 dimensions to them, and actually make them threatning.

That's because you don't understand what goes into making a live action film.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

That's because you don't understand what goes into making a live action film.

LOL, what? Nolan understands the film making process, as do I. If I were a director and I was given the liscense for this franchise the same time Nolan had? I would've taken it the same direction he did. It's the smartest, most emotional, and down right visceral movie going experience you can get with the character and the mythos without taking it down the rated R horror movie genre to a much smaller audience.

 

[scatterax]

LOL, what? Nolan understands the film making process, as do I. If I were a director and I was given the liscense for this franchise the same time Nolan had? I would've taken it the same direction he did. It's the smartest, most emotional, and down right visceral movie going experience you can get with the character and the mythos without taking it down the rated R horror movie genre to a much smaller audience.

you know back in 03/04/05/06/you get the idea, i thought a super realistic batman was the only way to go. and i was trying to come up w/ my own version of batman, just to see how it whould work. than batman begins came out, and i thought it was even better than what i was coming up w/. (alltho i whouldn't had ras. cause he wasn't reallistic enough 4 me.) but now i think i would do a more styalised version if i had the chance, now that nolan nailed the realistic perfectly.

(TDK is def my fav superhero movie tho. even the batman's not me favorite superhero)

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

You can go down the typical comic book movie, stylized fluff when this realistic, and more intelligent franchise is done. When Chris hangs it up, you can get as flayboyant and cartoonish as humanly possible. Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Man-Bat, Killer Croc and all that other stupid crap ... have at it.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

And here's the kicker, Nolan's Batman isn't even as real as you could take the thing. Ever read the Arnofsky script? Thats even more realistic than Nolan's take. Granted it took alot of liberties with things, but it was a very good script none the less. It was Taxi Driver meets Batman. Nolan with this heightened realism really gives you the best of both worlds. He gives you just enough of the cool fantasy (not the corny stuff) but plays his hand in a way that makes everything feel more real, and threatning.