The Dark Knight What kind of things do you think/would you like to see Joker do?

Seriously, he should kill Rachel. Not becuase I hated Katie Holmes or her character, just that it would cement Batman's hate for the Joker. And I mean CEMENT.

Think about it: Joker kidnaps Rachel, who is now DA becuase her boss was killed(Harvey should come in as ADA), in her office and leaves a note for Batman to find. Bruce decides to visit her and bring her some roses, just for the hell of it. He finds her room a mess, with the note, written in green crayon, on the desk. He reads it and realizes that Joker kidnapped her. In the note, Joker tells Batman that he's kidnapped her and even where they are. Almost daring Batman to come and rescue her. In an abandoned circus or carnival. Batman alerts Gordon about the kidnapping, and then rides like hell to the circus. Inside the circus, Joker has armed all the attractions with deadly booby traps. Almost like a gauntlet that Batman has to get through. Each one getting harder and more deadlier. Batman than finally gets to The Hall of Mirrors, surrounded by images of the Joker and Rachel tied up and gagged in a chair. Then, the floor drops out from under Batman and a kind of chute leads him to and underground containment center, with a huge tank filled with murkey water.(I'm gonna borrow this part from Zaphod becuase it's an awesome idea) Joker is standing above the tank and to the side with a crane. Rachel is hanging from the crane tied up in the chair and gagged, hanging from the hook over the tank. Batman and Joker converse for a while, then Joker reveals that there's a Great White Shark in the tank. Batman then gives Joker and ultimatum. Take Batman in Rachel's place. Joker agrees and lets Rachel go. Batman whispers to Rachel to run out and wait for him outside when they pass each other. Joker ties Batman up and begins to drop him into the tank slowly, laughing the whole time. But Joker forgot to check Batman for things in his belt, becuase they've only met barely a few times before. So, Batman cuts himself free and disappears up the crane the whole time Joker is laughing and has his eyes off Batman. Then Joker is shocked and angry that Batman is gone, then Batman jumps down from the crane, wings spread onto the Joker. Then he proceeds to beat the crap out of him. Handcuffs Joker and goes outside to find Rachel. Joker uses some acid from his flower and eats through the handcuffs and follows Batman out, pulls a gun out of his coat pocket. Batman reaches Rachel and hugs her. They talk for a bit, then Joker calls after Batman, calling him Batsy. Holds the revolver up and shoots Rachel in the stomach, killing her almost instantly, her dying in Batman arms. Joker starts to laugh hysterically, Batman gets the most pissed he's ever gotten. Anger coursing through his veins. He sets Rachel down on the ground, and then proceeds to beat the hell out of the Joker, with intent of KILLING him. Hits him and kicks him and just beats the crap outta him. He starts to strangle him. Then a shot is fired from behind Batman and it hits the ground behind him, a warning shot from Gordon. He tells Batman to think about what he's doing. Just think about the whole exchange from Hush Vol. 1. Dent gets there shortly after Gordon does. Then, sirens sound from a distance. Batman is long gone by the time the cops show up. They arrest Joker, and carry Rachel away. Then, a few weeks later, Joker goes on trial, with new DA Harvey Dent prosecuting. Joker throws the acid in Dent's face during the trial, and thus is born Two-Face. Leading into the sequel.
 
I think that the joker should be the one to kill Sal Maroni. And steals a missile from Black Mask and Penguin when they are aprehended by Batman. He then sets out to detroy Wayne Tower, also destroying the main power grid. Truning all the power in Gotham freing all the prisioner from Stone gate Prison and Arkham. Creating havoc among Gotham.
 
Well obviously he has to kill Sarah Essen. But, i also feel that he should be as good a fighter as Batman (As well as Black Mask and Penguin). He should fight like he did in Return of the Joker. Lastly i feel that the Joker should be hidden in the shadow through the first scene we see him. To give us an air of mystery.
 
there should be a momnet in the film where Batman takes out a room full of goons (police?) like he did with arkham. In a scene paralleling his with the Scarecrow, he slams the Joker against a wall by his neck, and threatens him. The joker looks fascinated for a brief second then bursts out laughing, the opposite to crane fainting
 
Katsuro said:
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I just realized something funny, btw. Everyone here wants Joker to kill Rachel, and i'm all for that, but there's a question I have. What would be his motivation?
Exactly. He has none at all. If anyone has a reason for killing her it's Crane. I know it's not sticking to the comics but I quite liked the rumour that The Joker was going to scar Dent in court.
 
ToddIsDead said:
I want to see him murder people, and then just laugh about it. Just shoot someone in the face and laugh. And I don't want him to act like an ass clown like last time. Not a fan of the Nicholson portrale.
Yeah, thank you. I'm tired of being the only one who will admit that.

I'd like to see the a Joker plot lifted from The Man Who Laughs or The Killing Joke. Only problem with The Killing Joke is that you'd have to play the character as having been a plague on Gotham for a long time already, and modern superhero movies seem unwilling to treat a character as having been around for awhile.
 
MaskedManJRK said:
He should be near a theater, and slaughter a whole group of people while singing "Smile, Darn Ya, Smile." :joker::up:

all im gonna say is thats not joker. there's already been like 20 threads exactly like this one so you can read what i posted in those.
 
Katsuro said:
I just realized something funny, btw. Everyone here wants Joker to kill Rachel, and i'm all for that, but there's a question I have. What would be his motivation? the logical answer would seem to be, to hurt Batman. But wait a minute... Rachel is Bruce Wayne's childhood friend, and Joker should NOT know Batman's identity. Now, of course i know Joker doesn't specifically need motivation to kill, but i'd have to assume he has a reason for targeting this one specific person, otherwise it's far too coincidental. Besides, her death would be a lot more meaningful if it was intended specifically to hurt Batman, as opposed to her just being one of his many victims because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. So really, i'm just trying to think of a way in which Joker could know that Rachel's death would hurt Batman, but without him knowing his identity. With Gilda Dent rumored for the sequel I dont think Dent could be involved with her... so I dont know.
I want them to have the Joker kill Rachel if they can come up with a good reason. As you suggested yourself, the Joker doesn't really need to have a good reason, but that would still be preferable.

Perhaps they can get her character more involved with Batman, and after the Joker learns about them cooperating he kills Rachel to anger Batman. Or perhaps he kills Rachel because to anger the DA she works for, Harvey Dent (maybe because Dent's so open about his hatred for crime and all that, and so the Joker feels that his feelings are hurt... you know the Joker. ;)).

It'd be nice if he kidnaps her and alerts Batman and/or Dent somehow. Batman tries to save her but fails (makes some mistake, doesn't make it in time, etc.) Rachel was already saved a couple of times in Begins, so it might be a bit too much if she's saved again.
 
I think that the first time we see a Joker crime scene we should see a mob enforcer dead in an apartment hanging from an old pipe, with a large 'Joker' grin on his face.
 
Beelze said:
I want them to have the Joker kill Rachel if they can come up with a good reason. As you suggested yourself, the Joker doesn't really need to have a good reason, but that would still be preferable.

Perhaps they can get her character more involved with Batman, and after the Joker learns about them cooperating he kills Rachel to anger Batman. Or perhaps he kills Rachel because to anger the DA she works for, Harvey Dent (maybe because Dent's so open about his hatred for crime and all that, and so the Joker feels that his feelings are hurt... you know the Joker. ;)).

It'd be nice if he kidnaps her and alerts Batman and/or Dent somehow. Batman tries to save her but fails (makes some mistake, doesn't make it in time, etc.) Rachel was already saved a couple of times in Begins, so it might be a bit too much if she's saved again.

Yeah, that could work. Dent is the new DA and Rachel is still ADA, and Joker kidnaps Rachel to torment Dent. Dent calls upon Gordon and Batman for help. Or perhaps, Joker wants to get at Batman, and he finds out Batman and Dent are close, so he kidnaps Rachel, knowing that Dent will call upon Batman to save her.

Either one works, as long as Rachel meets her fate at the hands of the Joker. I want to get her out of the way for Selina or Talia, and I think killing her will also make it clear that this is Jokers greatest enemy.
 
I want the Joker to be an insane lunatic, not the kind we've seen before in Nicholson's performance. I want the Joker to be like he's portayed in the comics and in BTAS but not like in The Batman. Anyways I want Joker to be a very frightening maniac who's also is a killer. I don't think that Paul Bettany looks like the Joker but he does have the acting down for the role. I haven't been able to see the reason why people think he looks just like the Joker, as far as I'm concerned as long as they choose a good unknown actor like him I'm fine. I haven't seen a Paul Battany Manip that has really made me say he has the looks to play the Joker. Lachy Hulme on the other hand has that but I haven't really seen him act.
 
I doubt that we'll see rachel unless she dies and batz wants to find who did it ie joker.

I know this is sick but we could see rachel or someone like harvey dent (the joker has been linked to his past because the joker humiliates him infront of his wife in his home prior to two face) anyway:

WE see a woman gaged and on her side on the floor then we see a trickle of water start to trickle on her face we then see her struggling. we then hear a manic laughter.
Next shot his joker's back stood over her (he is wizzing on her)
We then see harvey dent struggle tied to a chair getting more and more infuriated. The woman is crying the joker finishes
"Whats the mater your wifey poos all wet?"
"You'll regret ever entering my house you sick freak!!!!!"
"why what are you going to do? emmabarass your self like your little wify just did?"
He caresses his face with a gun pushing it in to Dent's cheek.
"**** YOU"
"sorry preaty boy your not my type... your wife on the otherhand..."
"If you lay a finger on her!!"
Joker lifts up the womans face as if to kiss her - she is terrified
"You'll what?"
he turns back to the woman and gives an evil sneery grin then dent starts to struggle as off camera we hear a rip and a muffled scream then we hear laughter. she is obviously being raped
"I kill you for this I'll killyou!!!!!!"
gunshot: BANG!
CUT
next time were back on this scene we see a dead wife on the floor with an unconsious dent still tied to the chair on the chair next to her with a joker card on his chest as police start to wake him up and cover the body.
sick I know but it will get the audience crying out for some bat justice and hate the joker big time plus it would be very controversal and get alot of expose!
 
What the ***** is with people and rape? Do they have clown fetishes or something?
 
? its never been done and it will be a shocker thats all
 
It is a bit sick. But, it's what the joker would do. But, instead of Dent's wife have it be rachael. Then he kills her and bobs your uncle they bring a new love interest.
 
It's also of of extremely poor taste. And no, I don't belive The Joker would do that. The Joker is NOT a rapist. Period. I can't belive people even entertain that sickingly poor idea. Are you even thinking about the character anymore or you just rambling on and on about extremely violent, shock value shlock that you think will make him "Scary" or in need of "Bat Justice". That's just idoicy. Look, okay, I've had all I can take of your vision of a blood soaked, preverted Joker. Read a damn book, for crying out loud, instead of bringing up piss poor tastless ideas.

I'm chalking this one up with the "Carving" idea.
 
he did actually rape dent's wife infront of him before he became two face in comic book continuity
bloodsoaked?
he killed gordons wife (I think he raped her too but I'm not sure)
he brutally battered jason todd with a crow bar
he shot barbara gordon at point blank range in the spine
he shot leiutenent Sarah Essen
so rynan.........
....................read a book!
 
The Joker raping Gilda Dent?!

Please, inform me of what comic that was in or if that's in a graphic novel. I want to read it to see why some people consider rape a semi-zenith of comic writing, because I usually associate rape and crimes of that nature, with eh....*****. Sorry, but that's my belief, take it or leave it. Rape is just worthless shock value garbage.

I did I deny that The Joker was a murderer? No, I didn't. I'm just saying that some people here seem to want him to gut his victims, pull out their hearts and eat them. Of course, after raping them.

Am I so wrong to think that excessive gore and rape is going a little too far?

Isn't The Joker killing people enough?
 
thats why i said don't show it on camera and show it off camera and show harvey's reactions (remember we need an event to send Dent into his downward spiral and tip him off the edge)

I don't think its actually been shown it could have been but IT IS told in hush by harvey dent himself to the joker it's when he removes the bandages and reveals that the two face side of him has been removed.
 
Oop, just ChrisBaleBatman's post, which basically said what I was going to say.
 

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